I Don't Care How Many Times That Cop Shot Him!

Recently in Chicago after slashing a police car's tire, while high on PCP and refusing to obey commands from the Chicago PD, while still armed with a knife police got tired of Laquan McDonald and decided for their own safety it was best off to just shoot him. Others did want to tase him but no tasers were around then. The whole idea of shooting Mr. McDonald might sound uncalled for and to a degree it is. But on the other hand when you're using a handgun without a scope how can you really be so sure you hit him after the first bullet was fired? The real question is why take chances when it comes to any criminal when they are armed and dangerous, while running and refusing arrest? Now I'm hearing about more and more cases of cops supposedly firing too many bullets at those who have threatened them. Yet, many times these are the same people who are more than happy to spray bullets all over the place when they do their drive by shootings and other crimes too. As you can see what happened to the car below while the victim aka rapper King Louie was just sitting in it. I count 7 bullet holes there but God only knows how many missed the car too? Nobody seems to be protesting this kind of crime though. And asking why did the crooks fire that many bullets? The cops might not be perfect but I'd still much rather take my chances with them than supporting the hoodlums.
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They are not protesting because the killers are _____
The media is not asking why because the killers are _____

Fill in the blanks.

 

Too many cops get killed these because they draw their guns but hesitate for just a second before they fire, because they are afraid of the trouble they may get into if they shoot someone that some racial, religious or some political group want to make a martyr out of. A criminal is a criminal, not a " poor innocent person", and definitely someone not to be made into a martyr. Police lives matter.

 

Why is this level of overkill OK? Could it be because the dead guy was _____?
Fill in the blanks.

Dirty Harry is fine entertainment for a couple of hours in a theater. Much less so when you're dealing with him in real life. You could ask Bettie Jones what she thinks, well, you could if she wasn't "accidentally" shot to death by the CPD. That's what happens when you don't care if the police have fire discipline.

 

Where did I say it's OK?

 

There is no "overkill", only alive and dead. Unless you are really worried about the cost of bullets.
The latest I read was about a guy with a bat charging police. The policeman did not have a taser handy so he stopped the guy the only way he could. I really cannot find anything wrong with shooting a guy charging you with a bat.

 

Not going very far with this, but I think some of the police need more/better training to be more accurate. Of course, they would not need a gun to arrest me, just 'you are under arrest' would stop me. Police often get 'blamed' for shooting people. But, keep in mind the Tueller drill . A person with a knife can almost always cut a person with a gun if they are within 21 feet. Even if the person with the gun knows what is about to happen...

 

What I find interesting is that even though every Police officer in every Police force in Europe has a gun (apart from as far as I know, thankfully, the UK) , there simply are not the shootings that are seen in the USA. The numbers of people (mostly unarmed) shot dead by Police in the USA are just mind blowing. If that doesn't make any reasonable person think something's not quite right, then I don't know what would. And I'm not just thinking about the officer recently charged with murder after he casually assassinated a guy at point blank range with every bullet in his gun, or the officer who pumped a large number of bullets into the back of an unarmed guy as he ran away in a park. Those are just examples of simple murderers in uniform. But there are countless examples of people shot dead by police where it clearly wasn't in any kind of self-defence, or defence of others nearby.

 

I'd be keen to see any evidence for that since - in the USA - the average number of Police Officer deaths by gunshot has fallen from 127 per year, on average, in the 1970s, to 57 per year in the 2000s and that has reduced further to be 12% lower in the the last period.
Those figures - from the US National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund of all places - simply don't evidence that assertion. And also, as the massive publicity of 100s of cases have shown, racial reticence in Police shootings isn't anywhere in evidence either. That kind of emotional assertion may feel good but it doesn't seem to be based on any actual facts.

 

It was a Police Officer, singular, out of 9 attending officers that felt the need to shoot. The first attending officer is on record as saying he didn't feel that need was there.
Only two of the five patrol cars - all of which had their emergency lights on - ended up providing obligatory dashboard video, but even then with no audio. Even though every single one of the five Tahoe vehicles had obligatory front and rear audio and visual recording equipment which is triggered by the emergency lights. None of the three vehicles' drivers submitted the mandatory repair tickets if it is the case their equipment was broken.
The soundless dashboard video that the City was forced to release after 3 court cases, showed clearly that the dead man made no physical threat against any officer - contrary to the lie made at the outset.
There have already been resignations/sackings among officials in the City and State because a clear case of cover up of a murder took place.
The officer that is awaiting trial for 6 counts of murder and one count of misconduct has a wrap sheet of at least 20 complaints against him, including 10 for excessive force, and one of which involved a Judge ordering the city to pay $350,000 to someone he roughed up, and he is being investigated for involvement in a cover up of a shooting in 2005.

Facts make things a lot clearer.

 

Guys,, I'm only going by what the cops in my family and the ones that are my friends tell me. Their biggest concern is that if they draw their gun ,, will them or the department get sued. 2 of my buddies have been injured because of that hesitation, ad 4 have been killed, 2 of the 4 were state police. I worked for a bail bondsman for years and never hesitated one second to pull the trigger.

 

Is a healthy person every really unarmed?

"Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)1 869 875 817 769 728"

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

 

I wonder how many people shot by the police have no criminal record vs those with a rather extensive history of violating laws.

 

"Learn the ways to preserve rather than destroy. Avoid rather than check; check rather than hurt; hurt rather than maim, maim rather than kill; for all life is precious, nor can any be replaced."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Walter_Scott

 

""Learn the ways to preserve rather than destroy. Avoid rather than check; check rather than hurt; hurt rather than maim, maim rather than kill; for all life is precious, nor can any be replaced."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Walter_Scott"

Is the cop not due for trial?

 

I'm sure those people telling you that believe what they are saying Nick but it isn't even remotely based on facts. But that's not surprising, we are human beings and we are emotional and that colours our perceptions of reality.
The numbers of US Police officers killed by guns has been falling for decades and the numbers of civilians killed by Police Officers has been rising, and rising very dramatically.
As well as that the race issue is a myth only in the sense that Police in the USA, on average, have no reticence about killing a black person - and that doesn't matter much whether it is a black or white Police officer doing the killing.
More than that, an unarmed black person is significantly more likely - twice more likely - to be killed by a Police officer than an unarmed white person.
Statistics here of actual deaths proves that:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/01/black-americans-killed-by-police-analysis.
All lives matter and not just 'Police lives'

 

First, I would already have my gun out and safety off if a perp was NEAR me. I would not need to rack one in because one stays in at all times. Secondly, I am not going to just stand there and take a knife thrust. I will go down on my back to increase the distance, shooting all the while. At least that is what we were taught in CHL classes. My 9 and my shotgun always live with a chambered round. Be prepared is more than a motto.

 

Data Banks,
Thank you for this:

And I'm the only one who responded. The protectors of criminals will never answer you.

Yes it does. When the Police Officer is white, and the victim is black, there's always an outcry. And there's an outcry when a white person shoots and kills a black person.
But... There's never an outcry when a black Police Officer shoots and kills a black or white person, there's never an outcry when a black person shoots and kills a black or white person.

I'll appreciate if you could explain this to me.
As you have the statistics, kindly fill in the number.
A black person is significantly more likely (___ times more likely) to commit a crime than a white person.

 

"First, I would already have my gun out and safety off if a perp was NEAR me. I would not need to rack one in because one stays in at all times. Secondly, I am not going to just stand there and take a knife thrust. I will go down on my back to increase the distance, shooting all the while. At least that is what we were taught in CHL classes. My 9 and my shotgun always live with a chambered round. Be prepared is more than a motto."

Not sure when the cops are trained to draw. I agree, racking the slide is silly, I carry condition one with a 1911. You don't know if you will be able to use your support hand. The MythBuster video was not the one I was looking for, but you get the idea. You can Google "Tueller Drill" and see a bunch of videos. Many civilians I know do not get any kind of training beyond the minimum required for the carry license. Sounds like you had a good teacher.

"As well as that the race issue is a myth only in the sense that Police in the USA, on average, have no reticence about killing a black person - and that doesn't matter much whether it is a black or white Police officer doing the killing."

Wow. The LEO's I know have never expressed a desire to kill anyone, black, white, green or whatever. I don't have the stats on this, but have not almost all of the recent shootings by police involved someone resisting arrest? Not saying all cops are good people, and not saying all attempted arrests were justified. But seems the best place to address that part of the arrest is with the officer's superior officer and or with a lawyer. Right or wrong, it seems the best thing to do is to do what the police say, then fight it in court if they are abusing their authority. Arguing with the police while you have a weapon, or a toy that looks like a weapon is not the way I would want to discus things with a cop.

 

This kind of cheap shot should be beneath you.

Like these officers? Derrick Stafford and Norris Greenhouse shot a child when his father took off in his car to avoid arrest. http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/10/us/louisiana-child-shooting/ I remember all the outrage. What I don't remember are the apologists pointing out how if only his father hadn't tried to get away from the police, the boy would be alive.

 

Your whole view of this Eldon is emotional and not based on facts or threats, ie blacks are just more likely to be criminals, so who cares if they get shot dead even if the circumstances at the time don't support such action. Which of course ignores the fact that plenty of white men get shot dead by Police in dubious circumstances too.
And it ignores the fact that white and black Police officers are involved in the enormous increase in gun deaths.
And you ignore the fact that more than twice as many UNARMED black people are shot dead by Police compared to unarmed white people shot dead.

And of course, you are ignoring the circumstances of the case raised by the thread starter - the 17 year old murdered by someone who clearly shouldn't be a Police Officer.
Being a drug addict or petty criminal is not any good reason to assassinate someone. It's inhuman and maybe a symptom of a sick culture.

I like Bill Maher the comedian a lot, and he has those attitudes down to a tee when he parodies them.

 

And you're ignoring this...

 

No I am not ignoring that at all. The USA is a pretty violent society generally. Statistics show that.
But that example is an utter irrelevance to the specific issue of Police shootings, and you know it. As someone who was around at a time when Police in your own country just murdered people will-nilly I would have thought you would understand how damaging it is if Police shootings are not carried out within clear rules of engagement that have the support of the population at large.