Systemic Malware Issues

Discussion in 'Software' started by ShallowTraveler, Jul 23, 2025.

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  1. ShallowTraveler

    ShallowTraveler Private E-2

    Quick backstory: I've been building up a collection of software (programs, dependencies, codecs, etc.) to have saved in an offline backup just in case I don't have access to something online or it is removed from the web. Some of that collection I have built up using MajorGeeks; the K-Lite Codec Pack for instance. But today I decided to be a bit more judicious and use VirusTotal on everything I was downloading from here as some of the programs were old & obscure or deprecated. Half of them came back with alerts to Snakelogger or malware. This includes SmartImage 4.0.8 which is under the Misc. Utilities section along with many of the portable games in the Games section. Now perhaps these are false positives but MajorGeeks says in their public statement that they use VirusTotal specifically as a sanity check on programs. So are they seeing these alerts and investigating further on some obscure game in their back catalogue? I doubt it. I no longer trust this site for anything and see it as actively malicious. Buyer beware. Maybe someone can correct me on this in the comments. I'm open to it.
     

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  2. DOA

    DOA MG's Loki

    MG has the best files as far as I can tell.

    Start with their downloads, but their files are often attacked on download if your system has been compromised.
     
  3. ShallowTraveler

    ShallowTraveler Private E-2

    You can just check for yourself instead of fabricate an insane story about virus' infecting the downloaded file and then VT flagging the download. I told you which file was flagged.
     
  4. DangitallRedux

    DangitallRedux Corporal

    If you were to go looking around within the MajorGeeks downloads, you will see an occasional note along the lines of "this file gets hits on VirusTotal" or "your antivirus may pitch a snit", so maybe they missed putting that notice on a few write-ups. They are (hopefully) only human.

    And, just for craps and giggles, how many of the scanners tripped on that specific file, and which ones? Not all scanners are created equal, and some are more error-prone than others.
     
  5. ShallowTraveler

    ShallowTraveler Private E-2

    What do you mean "maybe they missed it"? I said VT flagged around half of the files i checked. If you cared to know the answer to any of those questions you would just check the file I mentioned and scan it yourself. You're just bored and want to talk. No time for this. There is a major problem on this site and none of you care.
     
  6. satrow

    satrow Major Geek Extraordinaire

    Smartimage is currently flagged by 3/72 vendors. The few vendors I have any faith in don't flag it.

    I'd say that they're false positives, anything actually malicious would be detected specifically by an awful lot more vendors.

    Those vendors change over time, as do their classifications, detection rates and accuracy % levels. None are perfect though the better ones are very good. Some of the lesser known vendors may not review their detection accuracy as frequently as they might - but it all costs money.

    There are times when a clean and useful component file is used as part of a malicious attack package, then the innocent file can become deliberately falsely flagged by vendors, though MS-owned files by Sysinternals usually become delisted, files by others, eg Nirsoft, rarely do.

    Report the FP on the forum for Smartimage and see what they say?

    I'm saying it's almost certainly clean.
     
  7. ShallowTraveler

    ShallowTraveler Private E-2

    I don't care what you have faith in. This isn't about you. I don't care that you think they are false positives. This isn't about the veracity of the scan. If you read the title it says "systemic issue" because I found multiple files flagged by VirusTotal which MajorGeeks claims to SPECIFICALLY USE to check before posting. Are you able to read words?
     
  8. satrow

    satrow Major Geek Extraordinaire

    Virustotal doesn't claim to be what your interpretation of their site is. It's a guide, rather like a pedestrian crossing. Yes, a sanity check would say that's the safest place to risk crossing a road.

    Some of the better vendors there have discovered and written up guides on detecting malware eg. Fortinet and Snakelogger. Did Fortinet flag anything? Not when I had VT rescan Smartimage it didn't, nor for your scan a day or so earlier.

    I'll install ESET as a second chance scanner, as my default MS Windows security never flagged Smartimage - have you run any real scans on your system yet? If not, why not, considering you're claiming some kind of exposure to malware?
     
  9. ShallowTraveler

    ShallowTraveler Private E-2

    You, as well, cannot read. MajorGeeks using Virus Total. THEY say they use it to flag programs with issues. I've found 5 or so programs that VirusTotal flags. This has nothing to do with my system. You are a retard.
     
  10. satrow

    satrow Major Geek Extraordinaire

  11. ShallowTraveler

    ShallowTraveler Private E-2

  12. satrow

    satrow Major Geek Extraordinaire

    I've been reading a very long time, sometimes I make mistakes (autopilot/guessing usually) just like the VT vendors do.

    Reading and comprehension aren't always good bedfellows, especially when one is angry or honestly mistaken.

    Read the above linked topic, it might help you understand a little better.
     
  13. DangitallRedux

    DangitallRedux Corporal

    There are occasional major problems on this site, as you say, but, if we wait long enough, they generally go away and take their foolishness with them.

    You fail to understand what VirusTotal is and what it does.

    I did try to scan the specific file you mentioned, but I got a "scan queued, please scan again later" and, as I've been busy, I have not had an opportunity to check again. I still haven't, and will not bother now.

    @satrow points out that three out of seventy-two of the VT scanners tripped on your file. I asked which ones, and you failed to respond other than with an accusation that I'm bored and want to talk.

    Please, if you are not willing to actually learn about the things you are so willing to spout off about, just go away and take your empty accusations with you.
     
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  14. ShallowTraveler

    ShallowTraveler Private E-2

    It's not "my scanner". It's Virus Total. Which MajorGeeks claims to use to vet files. Learn to read.
     
  15. satrow

    satrow Major Geek Extraordinaire

    That works both ways. As you've shown no indication of having read the article I linked to earlier, I'll post the content below. A teaser first:

    Please do yourself the courtesy of reading the full content, it's for your own good, not mine:

     
  16. DangitallRedux

    DangitallRedux Corporal

    I never called it "your" scanner so, as @satrow suggests, perhaps it's you who needs to learn how to read.

    I am done with this thread. You are simply a complainer who wants to whine and cry about something, anything. Goodbye.
     
  17. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    Let me suggest you email Corporal Punishment - jim at majorgeeksdot com. he checks all downloads for malware.
     
  18. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    Let' be civil! I've alerted Jim and he will respond as soon as he gets the alert.
     
  19. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    And you are about to be gone!
     
  20. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    Thread closed. If you have any more comments or issues with the downloads, feel free to
    Do not start another thread on the topic. We are all about discussion...you are being an ass and offensive. Do it again and you'll be banned.
     
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  21. Corporal Punishment

    Corporal Punishment Head of Software Shenanigans Staff Member

    Good golly - I have been down this road too many times, but I guess until antivirus gets better, we will continue.

    Let's start by saying, your antivirus software is backward-looking. It tries, but really can't know something is a virus until after it is a virus. To combat this, they use several preemptive strategies. None of which is perfect. But the reality is - in the antivirus world - if it is new, it is probably a virus.

    The file you are speaking of is a small open-source author. It is possible he used an open-source DLL file that does something like "scan for files on C:" or "open internet connection silently," that was used by a virus author in the past. The DLL is safe, but gets flagged over and over because it was used in a bad manner in the past.

    Or the file does something that is suspicious behavior, so they flag it to be 'safe', like read WIFI passwords or something like that. It is safe, it is not a virus, but it COULD be used by a bad actor --- so it is a virus. This is like saying you could hang yourself with your shoelace, so shoelaces are illegal. Kinda silly, huh? Large companies like Adobe or Microsoft don't have this problem because they are permanently whitelisted. They can write software with a shoe laces in a noose wrapped around your neck -- but it will fly though.

    The other thing is that it could just be new and unknown to the antiviral program. This is the case for my FileOrganizerThing.
    https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/majorgeeks_file_organizer_thing.html

    I wrote it. I know what it does. It does exactly what I say it does, but because some antivirus companies haven't seen it before. It is a virus. And unless one of you files a ticket with them saying it isn't a virus -- it is a virus.

    Even if we write all the copies and they whitelist the software, the next version will be detected, nd you have to do it again.... and again... and again.

    The OTHER thing is some of these guys share their definitions, then rename them. So if I detect something as gen malware.1 TimW may pay me for that information, I'll pass the hash - but he remains it Valiant.Nasty.Thing.24

    And this is how you see what you are seeing.

    Actually, if you want to see more on false positives, check here. You may be surprised. https://www.av-comparatives.org/tests/false-alarm-test-march-2025/

    False positives are a pain in the ass, but I don't blame the companies for them too much. It's like the flu shot; they have to take a best guess, and sometimes they are wrong. But I understand that they are trying to protect their customer.

    Like once my Credit Card number was detected as a virus because the number partially matched a hash of a known virus.

    Once my photography was detected as a virus -- that was funny.



    And the worst - once an antiviral company detected my ntuser.dat as a virus and deleted it..... yeah, you read that right.

    Anyhow, I have written quite a bit on the topic; feel free to read. But the point is that antiviral apps and Virus Total are guides, not the truth, when dealing with small, new, or niche products.

    We have been dealing with this sort of thing at MajorGeeks for over 25 years. We have tested tens of thousands of files, as humans. We use multiple tools for testing and evaluation with our users in mind. That is how we have established ourselves as one of the most trusted download portals on the planet. (That and all these super helpful Geeks in the forum solving problems. #ThanksGeeks!). If you don't trust it, cool - move on. But please don't show up with a 3 out of 72 virus total report, yelling "gotcha!" and picking fights with people who have dedicated a significant portion of their lives to tech and helping people with tech. That's not gonna fly here. We are about learning and helping.

    Bottom line: We dig out fresh new software. If you download fresh new software, you WILL run into false positives and warnings because antiviral programs do a bad job of handling that sort of file.
     
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