32x vs 64x

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by Pete22, May 29, 2009.

  1. Pete22

    Pete22 Private First Class

    Hello Major Geeks,

    I have what I think is a simple question. How can you tell if a computer is 32x or 64x. My friend insisted this one computer was 64x, becuase of how much memory it had. However, when I tried to add some 64x software to it, the software it could not be installed, the software said to install the 32x version instead.

    So I tried downloading some of those "whats on my computer software" to see if it would tell me, but still could not figure it out.


    So what's the secret to this bit of knowledge? I'm sure I am missing something, and I guess the folks I usually ask, don't know this one either.

    Pete.
     
  2. Triaxx2

    Triaxx2 MajorGeek

    Right click My Computer and hit properties. Or double Click-system in Control Panel. It'll tell you if you have a 64bit computer.

    If it detects more than 3.5 GB of RAM, it's 64-bit. If not, it's 32-bit.
     
  3. Pete22

    Pete22 Private First Class

    Ok, If it doesn't say x64 it's not. I get it. I expected it to shoiw x32. but it doesn't because it is the default type. ok

    thank you. :)
     
  4. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi Pete

    There is two things to take into account, and while your Windows version may not be x64 but x86 (x86 is 32bit) your CPU maybe one thats capable of running x64 Windows (or other x64 Operating System)

    So you can have these combinations

    CPU x64 will run both x86 and x64 Windows (but do check your other hardware has x64 drivers)
    CPU x86 will only run x86 Windows


    as for Software 32bit software will in the majority run ok on 64bit Windows, but 64bit software will not install on 32bit Windows.


    Everest free is a great app for fnding whats in your PC and the versions
     
  5. Pete22

    Pete22 Private First Class

    That is a truely superb answer. Thank you! This stuff is info that folks new to geekness should have access to.

    So the x86 part is the computer part that runs at the speed of x32? And a x64 machine just has two of these? Is that right?

    When I first had this question, I downloaded Everest. However, when it installed; Everest said that it was not configured to run on the current hardware of this computer. It then asked me to let them upload information about the hardware configuration so they could add support for it in the next upgrade. So I did, and then I unistalled it.

    Thinking about it now, if Everest could not tell exactly what it was, I should not feel bad about not being able to figure it out. :-D

    Cheers,

    Pete22
     
  6. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi Pete

    Not really but your theory is not far off, 64bit CPUs and coupled with 64bit Operating System can do the work quicker than its 32bit cousin. In basics the data bus that moves data around the PC and number crunches the data in a 64bit PC is twice as wide so can more data twice as quick. BUT to make full usage of both a 64bit CPU and Operating System you also need dedicated 64bit written software and to be hinest their is not that much of it around YET! most applications are 32bit but work in 64bit enviroments fine as Windows 64bit has two Program Files folders and seperate branches in the windows registry.

    32bit

    64bit

    More info from Microsoft on the differences here


    Strange that Everest didnt work on your PC, could you tell us what make and model is your PC? or try Belarc
     
  7. Pete22

    Pete22 Private First Class

    Hello Halo,

    OK. I am getting closer to understanding. I will study the links you sent me.

    My knowledge is skeleton in some spots and nonexistent in others. So instead of trying to explain what kind of computer this is, I downloaded Belarc Advisor and did a scan.

    I have attached it.

    Is the right version of windows on this machine? If not, what do I do?

    The computer is my neighbor's. He told me it was running really slow.

    He had never deleted any of his temporary files in the 2 years since he bought it. He had only defragged it once several months ago with windows defrag.

    I found many window services were listed as Automatic that should have been manual or off as the default.

    The only malware buster he had was one of those rogue malware programs, MyIdentityDefender.

    I have also removed Norton antivirus, Comodo firewall/antivirus, and Avg antivirus.

    I see that his hard drive is about 75% full. Would it help if he moved a bunch of his stuff to different storage? I know with smaller hard drives, they don't work as well when the hard drive is getting full.

    Since you are looking at this list, is there anything glaring that you notice that I should delete, or add to make his computer run better?


    Thanks,

    Pete22
     

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  8. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi Pete

    The CPU in that laptop is a Coreā„¢2 Duo T7200 which is 64bit capable, but the Windows version is 32bit XP, there is no need to change to a 64bit version of Windows.


    Yes moving data files to a external HDD is a great idea, not only to save space but for backup purposes.

    You could clean out all old System restore points as they tend to take up a few GBs of space, steps at very bottom of this KB article

    As for software, go down the list with your neighbour and see what applications he uses still if their are ones he doesnt use then uninstall them.

    Also check to see what applications are in the Startup list of the PC, too many applications here can slow a PC down and many are not needed, you can check whats starting up with the PC with this free application StartupCPL this app also allows you to untick and disable some from starting, BUT it depends on whats in the list if they are safe to disable as some are needed.

    As you have CCleaner, open it and then click Tools > Startup and attach a screenshot of the list and we should be able to advise on what to disable or even delete.
     
  9. Pete22

    Pete22 Private First Class

    Hello, Halo

    :) That's what I thought, when I saw the info on the processor. My guess is he has x32 bit software that he wants to run.

    I do have one more question about the hardware. Is it true that there are
    two kinds of notebook computers?
    1- regular ones that last about 1 1/2 years
    2- commercial grade ones that last 5 to 8 years.
    If so, how would you know which ones are which? Or was I just told a story.

    I have worked over the startup list. I know that Secunia is there, but it complains when its not. Don't want it to bug neighbor. I attached the CCleaner startup listing. Just check to see if I missed anything that should be taken out.

    If all is ok, then I can tell my neighbor to archive his pictures and remove unwanted programs. I will run ccleaner again until registry is clear. then if he likes how it runs, I can remove the ccleaner backups for the registry. Should I archive them?

    Then one final defragg until clean. Then I will send it home with the Major Geeks instructions on computer maintenence to help his computer stay in good shape.

    Thank you for the good information and the help.

    Pete22
    :wave
     

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  10. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi Pete


    Yes archive images, docs etc to the external drive, and any new docs, images saved should be copied onto the external for backup, could use something like Microsoft SyncToy 2.0 and choose the left folder as My Docs and the Right folder as Backup My Docs and depending on sync copy method used those files will be mirrored on the external (do read the descriptions to copy methods) Karens Replicator is another free alternative to SyncToy and just may help your neighbour with the backups of his images and data.

    I would archive the CCleaner registry cleans for say a week and if the PC is working ok then delete them, but its pretty safe in what it cleans BUT you never know if somthing needed is removed by accident.


    Totally agree with what DomLuc says above on the startups, cannot add any more to his good info.
     

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