Amazon Kindle

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by harmless, Sep 2, 2016.

  1. harmless

    harmless Staff Sergeant

    i don't have a kindle, nor do i want one. i don't read books for pleasure. i read constantly, just not "books". so i have no idea about how the kindle works and how you gets books onto them.

    however, my mom has a kindle and loves it. she was telling me that she needed to check out more books from her favorite author, and was hoping they were available. and that phrase: hoping they were available, rather puzzled and baffled me. it's a digital copy, how could you possibly run out of stock on anything digital.

    so my mom showed me the whole process. she logs into our public library system, finds the books she wants, specifies the kindle format, selects them, clicks checkout, and she is taken to her amazon account where she can then select download to kindle.

    for me, i guess, the baffling part is the public library system. we went through pages and pages of books that could be checked out electronically, for kindle, ipad, etc. and all the books listed had an availability notation. available / not available, and something like 1 of 1 copy available, or 0 of 1 copy not available... and this is what baffles me. i don't understand why our public library system is limited to only one copy of any book in an electronic download format.

    i guess i'm paranoid and conspiracy minded, since that's the only way my mind can make sense of that.

    toodles,
    hmmm, maybe major geeks resident librarian knows why.
    thanks in advance
     
  2. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member


    hahaha...I do know why. Basically it's a licensing thing just like any digital rental. The library buys the rights to loan it out (like Netflix). You just don't have the right to unlimited copies of the book. The individual libraries have to buy the rights to loan out each individual copy they have of the book. There are some publishers that won't even allow this which is why you can't even find some author's on your library's rental site (Most likely OverDrive). I have since learned that these digital copies are not only typically not owned, but rented for a set period of time (around 18 month) and must be renewed. They are also very expensive. Unlike buying actual books, they cost about $50 or $70 each. Therefore, there is typically going to only be one copy available of a book and you have to put it on hold like you would a real book if it's checked out or popular. Only one patron at a time can check it out. You also only have the specified amount of time the library gives you for it and it gets auto deleted at the end of the period.

    Btw, anyone who belongs to a library should check out to see if they offer digital books. I download a ton of my books from there. It's a great service.
     
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  3. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    Actually, I just found this article doing a pretty good job of explaining:

    https://www.boston.com/news/technology/2014/06/27/why-its-difficult-for-your-library-to-lend-ebooks

     
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  4. harmless

    harmless Staff Sergeant

    ha, so it is a conspiracy ( and greed ).
    actually, thank you for the answer.
    as i was going to sleep last night, it dawned on me that it was probably a licensing thing.
    good thing that libraries don't have to buy hammers, they would be a hundred bucks each.
     
  5. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    Always greed...on the publishers part, but probably fear of how would they control the amount of copies being loaned out by the libraries. They've come up with a really good model for that. The price is stupid though. I don't quite get that aspect of it. I understand that real books wear out and if you want to keep using them, you need to buy new ones, but you are still paying a normal amount for them. I could see putting a year limit on an ebook and charging the going retail price. $70-ish is nuts.
     
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  6. Mimsy

    Mimsy Superior Imperial Queen of the MG Games Forum

    As well they should be, since that's an entirely new factor that was never an issue with printed books. After all, no physical book has EVER been stolen, lost, or so damaged that the library was forced to replace it with a new copy. Never! :rolleyes:

    (I borrow the ePub files that OverDrive lets you download, so I can put them on my non-kindle reader. It must not have occurred to the publishers of these books that a dishonest person could strip the DRM from these books after download and just never return them... like so many other digital content business models, they've not really thought this out.)
     
  7. Bob D.

    Bob D. Majorgeeks official old fart

    I had an account with Barns And Noble. I downloaded all my selections to my laptop.
     
  8. Eldon

    Eldon Major Geek Extraordinaire

    This is probably the reason why libraries pay more for ebooks. The more people who have access to any protected file, the more likely someone will remove or bypass that protection and then (illegally) make that file available to potentially thousands of users.
     

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