AMD or Intel

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by KOB0724, Jul 31, 2005.

  1. KOB0724

    KOB0724 Private First Class

    It looks like I might be building a new computer for my guitar teacher. He needs one for his studio. Naturally, its going to have a tricked out sound card. But I'm wondering which processor I should go with. The new AMD dual cores look pretty hot, but isn't Intel known for being really good with multi-media?
    (note: don't say Mac....that is not an option)
     
  2. fr0zt72

    fr0zt72 Private E-2

    It's not a big deal what you get. You won't notice anything at all in terms of speed. There are people who say AMD is better for multimedia and games and there are others who say Intel is. It's all opinion I think. The only unit you should base your decision on is price, and in that department AMD usually is king....
     
  3. rogvalcox

    rogvalcox MajorGeek

    AMD...it's a better product and it's cheaper because they don't pay the blue man group to do advertisements for them!!!

    Roger
     
  4. ACE 256

    ACE 256 MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Overclocking Expe

    AMD=speed and cheaper....

    Intel=stability and reliability and more expincive...

    IMHO.....( thow the stability dif. is vary small..)

    Im more less AMD all the way...( the only exception being pre 1GHz CPUs... )
     
  5. Omegamerc

    Omegamerc MajorGeek

    I've yet to see a stability failure comparison between AMD / Intel in these past generation cpus.
     
  6. sleepygamer213

    sleepygamer213 First Sergeant

    Alot of people say Intels are better but from MY personal experiences with them, they end up slowing down as the years go by, and run at a slower speed under load. AMDs on the otherhand(again from personal experiences) work great for multi programs and don't slow down! As a matter of fact, my dad had a custom AMD Athlon XP 1800+ comp built a couple years back, 3-5 years i think, maybe more... And he uses it SPECIFICALLY for music production and recording, it handles everything great and its not even an athlon 64!

    I say AMD... again im going off personal experience and what I have used to record music...

    Also, go with a HIGH END, HIGH PRICED M-Audio sound card, This is what my dad uses for recording bands, and us play in our garage...
     
  7. ACE 256

    ACE 256 MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Overclocking Expe

    Yea all being said AMD CPUs ( newer ones ) are prolly more stable then thare Intel equals when you take the heat facter into acount ...AMD tends to run a good bit cooler then thare Intel counterparts.....Thare is a stress test going on toms hardware last i checked...ill dig up a link....
     
  8. ACE 256

    ACE 256 MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Overclocking Expe

  9. Omegamerc

    Omegamerc MajorGeek

  10. FinalJason823

    FinalJason823 Private E-2

    It would also depend on what he wants to do more. If he is doing a lot of clock reliant things then Intel would be a better cpu. Intel has higher Actual Clock Cycles, which is why Intel is actually sometimes better than AMD when doing things with media. Lord knows I love my AMD, but when ripping CD's and things of that nature my wife's 2.8GHZ P4 seems nice. Stupid Blue Man group.....stupid Dave Mathews.....stupid Daredevil movie.....wait that Dave Mathews/Blue Man Group song was on the Matrix Reloaded soundtrack.....stupid Daredevil movie....
     
  11. da chicken

    da chicken MajorGeek

    Buy whatever you want. The differences are rather trivial. I would avoid the Intel EE and AMD FX lines, however, because they're grossly overpriced unless you plan to liquid cool and overclock.
     
  12. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    I would say either will do the job fine, I have one of each and Intel P4 and an AMD64, in terms of every day performance and not the hearsay and fud that floats around the net in terms of synthetic benchmarks, they are pretty equal to each other, apart from the AMD I have is more powerful than my Intel... but the difference is negligable.

    as for prices as DaChicken said the top end CPUs are way overpriced and the AMD is slightly more expensive in the UK, prices for the rest of the ranges are pretty equal so the old Intel is more expensive argument is old news and should be disguarded.

    One thing I would stress tho is if you get an Intel then get and Intel chipset and if you go for AMD then Nvidia or ATi Chipsets are very stable.

    as a summary... either will do just buy the fastest CPU you can afford or bugeted for but dont skimp on Mobo or Memory either, all need to be compatible supported speeds for max performance.... so a little research is needed.
     
  13. mcadam

    mcadam Major Amnesia

    This must be one of the most common debates EVER!
    I would go with AMD but thats me...
     
  14. rogvalcox

    rogvalcox MajorGeek

    IMO...of the several cpus that I have bought within the last couple of years....Dollar for dollar...AMD is a better buy!!!! You will probably notice that when you compare an AMD with an intel of the EXACT SAME soecs (or as close as humanly possible) the intel will be a bit more expensive!! But again, I believe, that this is due to the fact that Intel spends gobs of money on advertising to the general public!!

    Both companies obviously have their strong points!!! otherwise they wouldn't still be in business with both holding a STRONG share of the market!!

    I myself always get AMD...but, like I said, you can get more power for the dollar with AMD, in my opinion!!

    I have to mention though....I find it quite humorous that AMD won the award for "Best Processor Manufacturer" or something like that...at a convention that Intel has dominated for years...and Intel is and has always been the MAJOR sponser of the show and present the awards!! LOL

    Roger
     
  15. KOB0724

    KOB0724 Private First Class

    First of all, whats IMHO. Second of all, in terms of stability and lasting power, in my expericine AMD comes out on top. My friends Celeron made him fantize about kicking and shotting his computer. On top of it all, Intels philosophy is "LETS GET OUR CLOCK RATES REALLY REALLY HIGH AND USE TONS OF POWER AND MAKE OUR SYSTEMS RUN REALLY REALLY HOT!" Right now, it seems as if AMD has caught up to Intel and surpassed them in SOME areas, but not all. I'd probably end up going with the AMD because its going to save you so much money in the long run. Between power consumption costs and upgrading, AMD is going to be better. AMD will save you money on ur power bill and will last forever, unlike pentiums which i have had very bad experiences with. Pentiums tend to breakdown for some reason.
     
  16. Major Attitude

    Major Attitude Co-Owner MajorGeeks.Com Staff Member

    IMO = In my opinion, IMHO = In my humble opinion.

    Few things from what I have read so far:

    Comparing a Celron to AMD chip is not fair, unless you compare AMD's cheaper chip, the Duron, was it? Not at all a reasonable comparison. These lower end chips are short on cache and use your computer memory to make up for it. Add in shared video memory and they all suck.

    Read those articles above where they were stress tested the two. You will see what you always see. The differences on the chips depend on what chip your talking about. Each has it weaknesses and strong points with every release. The only question you have is if the weak points affect your main computing purposes.

    As far as longevity goes, if you use your PC a lot, you replace every year, maybe 2. Outside, 5 years and its an antique. I dont consider longevity because of this. I have both old Intels and AMD's running that I passed on to family members and they both still work, but since I would not do work on a 500 or 700 mhz computer, I could care less how well those antiques are running now.


    Anyhow..
    AMD tends to be cheaper and for some time has the fastest chip on the market. Period. Intel seems to work better, for me, with many multimedia applications like DVD authoring. Many others report the same. Again, this is opinion, I guess, but I just dumped a screaming fast, 3,000 dollar boutique computer to go back to Intel and I couldnt afford to do it. Thats how bad it was for me.

    Overall, speed is a big gamer thing. Thats why anyone who calls themselves a gamer has AMD and rightfully so. Myself? I finally went back to Intel dual core and love it. I can properly edit DVD's again, which I couldnt with the fx-55 amongst other small issues. I feel for work and productivity, Intel is better in the long run, for games, AMD is a great buy. Of course, theres not a game out there that does not run fine on the last few chips released (Doom 3 and Half-Life 2 needed no where near the horsepower claimed) and your not going to see the difference between 65 and 68 fps anyhow.

    Finally, if you buy Intel, often you get an Intel motherboard. One thing no one here should disagree on is that Intel has always made an excellent motherboard. With AMD , you want to do some reasearch on your motherboard rather just picking any board. And there are a ton of choices.
     
  17. FinalJason823

    FinalJason823 Private E-2

    Here,Here Major.

    Intel does make a nice motherboard, and they always seem to get the cool stuff first. Not to mention anyone who doesn't like that Intel HD audio, is tone deaf. It is nice, and thats coming from an Audigy2 ZS Platinum owner. Not saying it's quite the 2ZS, but it's a bit better than Soundstorm honestly. And Man are Intel's Dual Core 64bit cpu's cheap......hmmm....
     
  18. SoloTraveller

    SoloTraveller Private First Class

    Can you make some suggestions? I'm looking at building my first AMD (lifetime Intel fan) to save some bucks, and don't have a clue where to start for AMD-type motherboards! :) I won't be doing any gaming, but working with large image files (Photoshop), web design, and programming is what this box'll be used for mostly.

    Thanks for any suggestions or links, guys!
    Jack
     
  19. KOB0724

    KOB0724 Private First Class

    Well see, I think thats what really makes AMD, is the selection of motherboards you can get. Like you said Major, with Intel you're probably going to get an Intel motherboard (which I actually don't like because of their P.O.S. intergraded "intel extreme" graphics.) But with AMD, you have such a wide selection and you can pick the one thats right for you. Anywho, we've kinda gotten away from my original question, "Whats better for Music editing and mastering?" Sure, I guess intel is good for ur DVD's but what about the Music?
     
  20. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    You dont have to get an Intel boxed motherboard, all the major players in the motheboard industry make intel baised chipset mobos and do it very well, I have been a life long Intel user ( only just gone with AMD for a laptop ) and have used both Intel boxed ( Gigabyte being my favoured choice ) boards and most reciently Gigabyte and ASUS ... also heard good things about MSI Intel chipset boards, these dont come with Intel Extreme onboad GFX and are very feature rich.

    So you get exactly the same wide variety as you do with AMD baise boards.... the main thing to remember is if your going Intel CPu then get an Intel Chipset baised mobo and not the SIS variety, if AMD then the Nforce chipsets are the ones to look for.

    Intel or AMD are both fine for music, if your serious about music then its the soundcard thats then important for quality....
     
  21. da chicken

    da chicken MajorGeek

    Music is not significantly difficult to process until you get very high-end (near-studio quality) at which point you would use a high-end audio card. At that point the sampling quality becomes more important. True 56-bit audio is the current height, AFAIK, although it isn't clear if the 64-bit audio stuff out there is for 64-bit sampling quality or 64-bit operating systems.
     
  22. Rikky

    Rikky Wile E. Coyote - One of a kind

    As Halo said the soundcard is most important for music an Amd or Intel will do fine,once you have cut your tracks though your gonna wanna encode the lot into MP3 and stick it on your ipod,or whatever code you prefer,for that Intel wins hands down,most of the upper end Intel chips price for price perform 30% faster when encoding than Amd.
     
  23. KOB0724

    KOB0724 Private First Class

    My guitar teacher is going to using this in his studio for recording. So yea, its going to be very high-end sound quality. So what I'm hearing is that each processor will handle music fine, its the soundcard that matters.
     
  24. sleepygamer213

    sleepygamer213 First Sergeant

    If your going to go with a soundcard get the delta 1010, its pretty much the best there is (at the moment) but this is an important POINT... You can have the WORST soundcard with basic analog and midi hookups, like 1x1 I/O EACH and still be able to record excellent quality music, that is if he has decent hardware, like mixers and etc... Another key role is what program hes using, its probably going to be something like pro tools, Adobe Audition, or Cubase SX/2...

    http://m-audio.com/products/en_us/Delta1010-main.html

    Again from personal experience (my dad runs a recording studio out of our garage) and makes CDs and demos for bands who come in and record, and he uses an AMD Athlon XP 1800+, and everything in his computer is low end (purchased around the $400 mark back when things were expensive) except for his $600 audio setup (link is above). My point is that AMD CAN handle recording studio grade music, and intel had a hard time doing it when he was using our office computer... again, just my 2 cents
     
  25. Major Attitude

    Major Attitude Co-Owner MajorGeeks.Com Staff Member

    Oops. I have never owned an Intel board with onboard graphics. Frankly, AMD compatible boards also come with onboard graphics on crappy boards like PC Chips. But, were talking symantics here. Lets be clear, were talking about a better chip, so I simply did not consider low end boards, similar to what I mentioned about comparing a Celron to a higher end AMD chip. Lets compare apples to apples here as to not confuse people. Your almost saying "my friends $399 Gateway with a Celron sucks". I mean... COME ON! Same goes with sound. Almost all boards now come with onboard sound. I dont use it because its usually the crap end of the spectrum. Were wandering off track and even wandering farther on that. Video and sound should be irrelevant due to onboard quality still being worse then whats available.

    As Halo pointed out, many manufacturers who make AMD boards make Intel boards, I should have been more clear that I am happy with Intel chipsets over the others. AMD does not make an AMD motherboard. In AMD's case, I prefer a VIA chipset. So, to the person who asked, one board brand that jumps out is Asus. Talk around some like the new NForce boards. I would look in those 2 areas.

     

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