Covid Booster

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  1. Wittmann

    Wittmann Private First Class

    I am told that the COVID booster is NOT the AstraZenica like my first and second jabs. They say it will be the Pfizer or Moderna.
    Has anybody else had this mixed jab and if so does it cause any adverse reactions ?
     
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  2. Eldon

    Eldon Major Geek Extraordinaire

  3. plodr

    plodr Major Geek Super Extraordinaire

    This is the important info from the 2nd link
    I would not worry. Pfizer has the least reaction of any of the vaccines.
     
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  6. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    In UK its a mixed thing on the booster, some getting same as 1st 2 vaccines and soem getting a different booster, think due to work we have all had same Ox/AZ one. On the booster I did feel a little more fatigued and sore arm again, although idiot me had the flu vax at same time, so had two sore arms!

    I have heard a few who have had the different booster, with the same dull headache and sore arm, but little more fatigue than the 1st two, but then everyone may have variying after effects.
     
  7. JonahWales

    JonahWales Master Sergeant

    i unmixed my life and gave up doctors but i like dentists
     
  8. XoXgaming

    XoXgaming Specialist

    Reason why i still don't want to get this dumb Vaccine.I still hear people are having a rough time with it.I still don't trust it.
     
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  9. Replicator

    Replicator MajorGeek

    The best vaccine you can have, is the one you can get now!
    Pay no heed to the BS.
     
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  10. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Is she/he cute?
     
  11. Goddess Bastet

    Goddess Bastet First Sergeant

    I had the Pfizer & it knocked me down for 48 hours with Covid symptoms. Especially bad was the high temperature.
     
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  12. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    I had the Moderna Booster last Friday. I did not mix. Just felt tired for a bit on Saturday.
     
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  13. joffa

    joffa Major Geek's Official Birthday Announcer

    I've had both Pfizer jabs and I am booked in for the booster first week in January 2022. No reaction to the shots so far, except a sore arm for a day after the second shot..........probably not the Pfizer as I had a different doctor and he is not as gentle with needles as my GP ;)
    I am tossing up whether to get the Pfizer or the Moderna booster..........so much conflicting information o_O
    I will probably stick with Pfizer :cool:
     
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  14. plodr

    plodr Major Geek Super Extraordinaire

    2 Pfizers and a Pfizer booster in mid-Nov. The only side effect for me was a sore arm. My husband had a sore arm and felt tired.

    We are still masking up when we go out because since Thanksgiving (Nov. 25th) Covid cases in our county have risen by 30%. We also avoid crowds. We've excused ourselves from attending "social events". We know the symptoms are milder and generally don't require hospitalization but we still don't want to lose our sense of smell and taste and feel sick for a week.
    We personally know 7 people fully vaxxed who got Covid - thru September of this year and we ask them what it was like.
     
  15. XoXgaming

    XoXgaming Specialist

    Exactly my point Plodr i know a few people that have covid shots and full boosters and still got covid.So what's the point in getting the shot again if you are are still going to get it.I don't see much difference on getting it.It's like the flu shot.
     
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  16. Just Playin

    Just Playin MajorGeek

    Some people who got the smallpox vaccine still got it but they didn't die like the ones who didn't.
     
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  17. Eldon

    Eldon Major Geek Extraordinaire

    A study at a Cape Town hospital showed that 95% of the COVID-19 patients were not vaccinated. And they made up 97% of the deaths...

    Do like the odds?
     
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  18. XoXgaming

    XoXgaming Specialist

    Well ive probably had it twice and it felt like a nasty head cold for 3 days for me.It all depends on your immune system.Most peoples immune systems suck due to all the crap they put in food these days.
     
  19. Replicator

    Replicator MajorGeek

    But I still love Macca's!
    If it dont kill me, the bourbon will. ;)
     
  20. Anon-f071e988fd

    Anon-f071e988fd Anonymized

    I agree. I decided since in the UK, where the AstraZeneca vaccine was developed, we were told in what at the time sounded honest, certain & convincing that 15 million vulnerable people needed this new untrialled unique form of vaccine & so the UK's regulator authorised it for 'Emergency Use'. I would only consider taking it when the 'Emergency Use' ended & full data would show its safety & effectiveness. Well, as it turns out a good number of my relatives & neighbours double jabbed have tested positive & some ill. One in hospital close to death but after weeks in hospital now experiencing the after effects of severe pneumonia. The death on Sunday of Carlos Marin shook me very very hard. I saw him live in the group Il Divo in London twice. 53 healthy double vaxxed. Two BBC presenters have died & exceptionally rarely, they were both subjected to autopsies & inquests & the two coroners in different cities judges that each had a serious blood clotting directly connected with the AZ vaccine. Pfizer has had reports submitted to the MHRA for the year December 2020 to 2021 of 628 deaths and 388,618 Serious Adverse Events.
    Personally I stopped smoking 50 cigarettes a day in January 2021 after most of the previous 45 years as a smoker & I am eating a much more rigorously healthy minimal sugars diet. My lift in my flats has been out for 3 days & I'm walking up and down 10 flights of stairs five floors without thinking I'm about to die. In the UK the average age of death from covid is still 80+ and obesity is hitting the younger much much harder than many had imagined, especially if they test positive for covid19. For me it's been a wake up call to do everything to take charge of my own health & not expect a GP to have all the answers & not to look for something just to 'take'. My neighbours, who were lovely friendly people even before covid have become much more like family now & they say they feel the same too. In this year that I thought would be better, but feels worse, their support is keeping me sane.
     
  21. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    I had 2 + Booster as Pfizer as thats the ones work were giving out, think they decided to keep to same make. Although some research and TBH this is all unknown stuff is that mix n match maybe better coverage though the reports I read and are told is that side effects could be a little worse.

    The media and some on social media need to stop saying vaccination will make you immune, it will not, it can lessen the effects that may hospitalise you but you can still catch and transmit the virus, which is why it is possibly prudent to take a LFT if you are going anywhere and then a few days later. Tho I gather in USA you have to pay for these test packs?

    Picking up on a few points made, indeed co-morbidities are a factor here in outcomes as this virus is per say a bloodborne virus over respitory as first thought as it has the ability to replicate in red and white blood cells (hemoglobin) which is why in a few meetings I was in earlier this year our heamatology, infectious disease and tropical med teams hosted. It seems with co-morbidites the virus prays on the weak areas we may have, so hence obese, diabetics, heart, lungs, kidney etc, likely then why in the main the older population have many of these, as well as in some the young.

    I think now the more we know the better the outcomes are, less use of ventilators is a big factor in recovery so CPAP used more, antivirals are becoming licenced Lagevrio (Molnupiravir) "so glad they add the trade name as drug names are a nightmare to spell and pronounce at times. Which is why we are seeing less deaths in hospital than this time last year thankfully. Locally I do see the data on COVID between the 3 sister hospitals and the numbers are currently no worse than Oct/Nov e.g out of 83 incoming patients tested Wed only 4 tested pos, however the breakdown does not yet tell us if they were coming in with covid symptoms or other issues, broken leg, heart attack etc then with 4 testing pos, same day we released 12 from covid wards, so I think thats a positve.

    Mentioned i media in UK is staff sickness will cripple the NHS, in part it can and more so can if a large % of a specific dept is off, howere in summer this year in out trusts around 1800 staff off with covid, isolation, shielding or off with non covid, but today its 277.

    On other numbers while all are not great and anyone in ICU with covid is not well, its not looking as bad as last year, I think down to our medical staff learning and adapting from the start of this.

    We have also heard and I think rightly so that the data is being looked at and as I mentioned a little earlier that not all patients are coming in with Covid related symptoms but others and this is noted as 2/3 without covid symptoms but test pos or catch in hospital invirmoment. The data needs looking at more I feel in the months ahead.

    Watch media for scare stories as thats there modus (they are create with the data), but do look at your Govs and health service data, in UK public can see loads, it can be nightmare to make head or tail of it but worth looking at, in some instances they do summary it. The data metric I do not like is "number of people who have died within 28 days of a COVID-19 diagnosis" could be a death from anything, that is a very poor metric and skews the data.

    UK data
    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing?areaType=overview&areaName=United Kingdom
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-omicron-daily-overview
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases

    Thats my brief take.
    Conflict of interest - I do work in the NHS but in eye research (mainly inaging analysis of drug trials and more so currently new technologies as in AI/ML for diagnosis of eye disease)
     
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  22. Anon-f071e988fd

    Anon-f071e988fd Anonymized

    Fear has played a big part in causing daily like to be more traumatic than it needed to be. The media holds a great responsibility for that and on 19 December this month The Spectator magazine published an article for which no payment to the author has been made and lays wide open seriously worrying reporting of covid. The article 'How the BBC lost its way on Covid' rings true to my 23 month experience.
    It is behind a paywall but free for a month so it can be read in full for free.
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-the-bbc-lost-its-way-on-covid
    Since apart from those with pre-existing immune suppressant illness and the obese who will suffer no matter flu or covid, the average age of death from covid in the UK remains 80+ and the data I have seen on deaths & serious side effects I will not be having a covid vaccine any time soon. Two BBC reporters died after an AtraZenecca covid vaccine & at two independent inquests coroners in each case say this was due to a reaction to that vaccine. They were in their mid 40s and healthy.
     
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  23. Wittmann

    Wittmann Private First Class

    The UK has thrown in the towel and given up at =
    122,186 new cases/day and 707,306 new cases over the past 7 days.
    Gung - ho and Qué Será, Será - yabbadabbadoo
     
  24. Anon-f071e988fd

    Anon-f071e988fd Anonymized

    'Case' is a medical term that never existed before Covid. If someone test positive for Hepatitis A B or C, it's called a 'positive test'
    Many leading public figures in medicine, psychology & countless now Tory MPs have condemned the constant references to 'cases' (ie people who have chosen to have a covid 19 test & it has shown particles of covid proteins in their blood) without the slightest reference to those ill, let alone admitted to hospital with an illness as a direct result after testing positive.
    So to reassure UK readers the ONS & UK Health Security Agency data shows over 95% of 'cases' are entirely symptom-free & of the remaining 5%, 95% of them don't result in hospitalisation.
    I was born & live in the UK and I know in far more detail than I would wish, that neither the NHS nor the UK government have thrown any towel in on covid. But people have been brainwashed into thinking a 'case' is reason to get stressed, it isn't & this graph shows deaths are virtually unchanged in ten years. I hoped MG didn't have the misinformation we see elsewhere
     

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  25. Anon-f071e988fd

    Anon-f071e988fd Anonymized

    That was one day, 24 December 2021, not per day.
    If you don't put that into the context of what the health authorities here, South Africa & Netherlands who first discovered omicron have said about it so far, you are simply fearmongering for no good purpose. Your health and protection is your responsibility, like it is for anyone else. We are not babies or even little children & no government or health service are parents.
     
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  26. XoXgaming

    XoXgaming Specialist

    Anyone remember that movie Outbreak it's kinda the same thing i think they were trying to warn us years ago lol.
     
  27. Anon-f071e988fd

    Anon-f071e988fd Anonymized

    Covid is not Ebola, that's for sure but don't tell the former Government adviser Neil Ferguson as all his work on Ebola was trashed by his peers.
    But the interesting thing about Africa - the entire continent of 1,338 billion people - has had 196,000 covid deaths. That one quarter of the USA deaths and 39,000 more than the UK. They are 7% vaccinated whereas the west is by 60-90%. But you can't even say you are vaccinated now unless you're a 3 jab jonnie/jennie. You couldn't make it up. No booster no ticket.
     
  28. Eldon

    Eldon Major Geek Extraordinaire

    And yet the number of new deaths per day has not increased at the same rate...
     
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  29. Just Playin

    Just Playin MajorGeek

    99% survival rate from COVID-19 = No big deal. 99.99% vaccine survival rate =:eek:
     
  30. Anon-f071e988fd

    Anon-f071e988fd Anonymized

    Whish is why the trauma and deaths caused by lockdowns, 100s of 1000s of small business gone in the UK, high streets decimated & suicides from debt through job loss. It's the worst time in my 63 years in the UK. If we aren't on the path to a worse existence than Orwell's 1984 then history books will be full of the most gigantic fraud in history.
     
  31. legalsuit

    legalsuit Legal Eagle

    Had both shots - apart from the jab, felt/experienced absolutely nothing, no reaction afterwards. Booster shot due February 2022.

    The COVID-Vaccine is free like a Flu shot (which I get every year and avoid the Flu), so I reckon it's better to be safe than sorry.

    We've had the same resisters here Down Under. I respect an individual's right to refuse. My only concern is should they catch the virus, they're not only putting themselves at risk, but everyone else they encounter.

    I can only hope they stay safe...
     
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  32. Eldon

    Eldon Major Geek Extraordinaire

    My concern exactly!

    Although I've had the two Pfizer shots (booster next year) I can still get the virus. I have COPD, hypertension & a heart condition. I'm a high risk.
     
  33. XoXgaming

    XoXgaming Specialist

    If i feel sick i stay home or wear a mask but even with a cloth mask you are still at risk no matter what.
     
  34. legalsuit

    legalsuit Legal Eagle

    Yes, you are still at risk with a cloth mask. Masks can lower risk of getting infected.

    Here, wearing a face mask is mandatory in some settings; and we have rules of when you need to wear a face mask, when you can remove it and who is exempt.

    Newly implemented mandatory rules in my state of New South Wales Australia are covered here:
    https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/stay-safe/rules/face-mask-rules

    Personally, I hate wearing the bloody things, but I have masks in freshly sealed plastic bags in carry bags and in my car so I have no excuse for not having one, given the fines if caught not wearing one, apart from the potential health risk.

    Masks are now a way of life and some people have taken it on with humour:
    By personalising it: upload_2021-12-27_17-31-25.png

    Having fun with it...
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  35. Anon-f071e988fd

    Anon-f071e988fd Anonymized

    'Resisters' and 'they' are certainly less abusive than the common refrain of many people including even those who would be recognised as 'educated'.
    Freedom of informed consent is a right that took over a century to achieve and is a central plank of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights that almost every country in the world is signed up to & which is actually enshrined in UK law an will be tested in cases that will go to the UK Supreme Court & then to the ECHR. Personally, I don't give a second thought to anyone else's opinion about my choice over a medical intervention as it's none of their business.

    But on a clinical level it is abundantly clear the unique vaccines for covid - they are unique in every single way & haven't had one fifth of the time in the development than the fastest previous one - do not offer protection from covid19 blood transmission and neither do they afford any protection to anyone else, vaccinated or un-vaccinated.

    That's the shocking mistake in your post because the unvaccinated pose no threat to vaccinated of any kind at all. I'm really sad that shocking ignorance persists, especially when all but one my 12 neighbours that I am in contact with several times every single week are vaccinated & subsequently tested covid 19 positive & several have been unwell. I have 4 relatives who like me are unvaccinated & never, ever tested covid 19 positive but I have 2 that are vaccinated & been hospitalised after testing positive, and about 6 others who have tested positive and had some flue like symptoms and are vaccinated.
    I don't interfere in their lives or tell them what I think they should do, or make any judgment over the dreadfully misguided practice of having tests when they're not ill. But I have decades long relationships with most of these people and they respect my attention to covid way outside a TV programme or news bulletin since day one.

    I've no doubt that the brainwashing and deliberate fear mongering has been very successful by those engaging in it to achieve a situation where people with no risk of any significance from covid, are risking death or disablement with a vaccine. That risk may be small, as in 1 in 10,000 but it's a sufficient risk for anyone to entertain the idea of mandating it is frankly someone I wouldn't trust to tell me the time of day.

    I have a copy of a 144 page UK MHRA Report of the Pfizer Vaccine for 9/12/2020 - 24/112021 listing every single yellow card report which includes 628 deaths and 388,618 'Serious Adverse Events'. We also have the coroners inquest reports in two BBC reporters in their mid 4os who the two independent coroners concluded were caused by the AstraZenecca vaccine.

    'I can only hope they stay safe' -

    I'm 63, 170cm 72kg, Vit D 3 blood 25 OHD test November 2021 = 112 nmol (37nmol above the 'good' level) Total Lipids (Cholesterol) as at November 2021 = 4.8 (0.7 below the 'acceptable 5.5)
    I was a smoker for 45 years.
    I'm healthier than a massive proportion of the UK adult population & in US terms even more so.

    That's why in the entire continent of Africa of 1.338 billion they have barely a quarter of the deaths of the USA, only 29,000 more than the UK!
    Despite poverty & all the other things they really need help with, it's not a vaccine that the huge numbers of overweight unhealthy eaters in the west who think looking after their own health is drinking skimmed milk & get a pill from a well-paid pill pusher after a 10 minute chat, mostly on a phone now. My lifestyle, diet & recycling makes Greta Garbo Jnr's disposable mask wearing blah blah look more like a paid shill.

    There are many among the unvaccinated who are doing a lot more for the environment and helping others than the people queuing to get their 3rd or 4th jab on the way to McDonalds.
     
  36. Anon-f071e988fd

    Anon-f071e988fd Anonymized

    Australasia has started to resemble two massive detention camps for so few covid deaths it is literally barmy & my sympathies go to those who whatever reason can't see that. Arden? I can't believe what a monster she's turned into. In comparison with that, and a very similar set up in Wales & Scotland, both led by proven liars & virtual dictators, England almost seems a haven of decency and restraint.
     
  37. Anon-f071e988fd

    Anon-f071e988fd Anonymized

    I am not, ever, under any circumstances going to take the risk that Carlos Tejada, the New York Times’s deputy Asia editor, 49, who died 24 hours after taking a mixed Moderna Jensen 'Booster'. He posted when he had the booster.
     

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  38. XoXgaming

    XoXgaming Specialist

    They Pulled the Johnson and Johnson vaccine's off the shelves a while back.Due to the fact people were having major issues with it.From what i remember the most extreme issue with it people were getting nasty blood clots and heart attacks with it.And this is one of the reasons why i don't want it.I am 40 and in pretty good shape the only problem i have right now is blood pressure issues that go up and down.So this is one reason i don't want it.How do i know it wont effect me more then what i all ready have.

    Any one can get high blood pressure.From what i understand the covid shot can effect blood pressure so this is one of the many reasons why i don't want it nor need it.I am not against anti Vac if people think it will help them more power too them.But why should i have to suffer over this BS.If you get you get if not good for you.

    I have probably had it twice and all it ended up being was a nasty head cold for three days.
     
  39. Anon-f071e988fd

    Anon-f071e988fd Anonymized

    It was a mixed booster. The AstraZenecca vaccine is especially associated with blood clots & myocarditis in the young. Practitioners in General Medicine and Emergency Responders are reporting seeing higher numbers with those issues, especially in the under 25s than at anytime prior in their work.
     
  40. Just Playin

    Just Playin MajorGeek

    :rolleyes:

    I dumped Facebook to get away from this foolishness.
     
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  41. Anon-f071e988fd

    Anon-f071e988fd Anonymized

    I'd thank you for taking the time & trouble & effort to tell us, in a voluntary thread in a voluntary forum, of the immense personal trauma Facebook 'foolishness' had caused you that it led you to depart from the longstanding winning competitor against 'Friends Reunited' but since you never said what 'foolishness' it was and not being a mind reader, I will merely acknowledge it as a rather meaningless refrain of no consequence or interest
     
  42. Anon-f071e988fd

    Anon-f071e988fd Anonymized

    France might as well throw the towel in - what with Vaccination Passports and a covid fully jsbbed 73% of the population the vaccine is clearly useless & vax passports are having not the slightest effect on people being coerced into getting tested, so they're probably infecting each other with the stress induced heavy breathing.
    That's foolishness.
    Opera Snapshot_2021-12-28_191136_twitter.com.png
     
  43. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    Wait, are you posting "proof" using crap from Twitter?
     
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  44. Anon-f071e988fd

    Anon-f071e988fd Anonymized

    I have no way of knowing or judging your honesty or integrity, but I know mine and it is absolute but since you appear incapable of using google before throwing abuse, here is a screenshot from Reuters, who are very well known but since their CEO sits on the board of PFIZER I wouldn't trust a word they say anymore than the person who cleans the stairs in my flats.
    But this is the proof you could have found yourself Opera Snapshot_2021-12-28_200636_www.reuters.com.png
     
  45. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

  46. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

  47. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

  48. Anon-f071e988fd

    Anon-f071e988fd Anonymized

    Propaganda & garbage is important not to ignore. The Welsh NHS has confirmed 85% of covid hospitalisations are vaccinated, but since we are living in the very worst medical corruption in recent times, many people don't get tested for covid until they are admitted. We also now know that in England the vast majority of covid hospitalisations are vaccinated. I don't know a single one of the many people known to me & like me, under 75 healthy & not obese who remain among the 1 million Londoners (4 million outside) who've been ill with covid,. But I know a lot of vaccinated who have tested positive & been ill. The 'context' is that the average age of death from covid is well over 75 and healthy people not in the standard risk groups for covid & who have had a vaccination are collapsing with heart problems and some dying at rates that if translated worldwide will see 25-35 million deaths and disablements.
    But once again if a continent the population size of Africa - 1,338 billion - has had only 196,000 covid deaths & yet public figures here & elsewhere in the obese lazy west are trying to push them in their bodies, you know something very sick is going on. If that doesn't open peoples eyes, your idea of 'context' will be meaningless while more and more people will be grieving deaths from a vaccine & not an illness.
    Carlos Sarin - murdered by a vaccine.
    Sergio Aguerro – prematurely retired by a vaccine.

    Happy jabbing.
     
  49. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

  50. Anon-f071e988fd

    Anon-f071e988fd Anonymized

    Your first response in this thread in reply to my post about France was offensive & abusive implying I was a liar, which when I proved its veracity you showed a lack of personal integrity by failing to acknowledge that. I have no interest in your views or links. If your longstanding MG poster Just Playing left FB for this then then frying pan & fire come to mind & nothing more foolish than your posts as well as there's the mask performer above that. A kindergarten of stupidity.
     
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