Crash, no start up. Help needed.

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by Zealot, Nov 23, 2013.

  1. Zealot

    Zealot Private E-2

    Browsing the web just fine, all of a sudden, crash. Nothing, just off. I did the logical thing and check if I had some how accidently unplugged it from the surge protected but no. I tried then to press the power button to see if it would start up, no luck, opened it up to see if any thing got unplugged. Doesn't seem like it, GPU was running a little warm but nothing out of the ordinary. Light on the MOBO is on so is the one on the power supply but when I try to boot nothing not even a beep or a wirr of fans, just dead silence.

    Any clue guys?
     
  2. Zealot

    Zealot Private E-2

    Specs
    OS: Win7
    GPU: GTX Geforce 650 ti Boost
    RAM: 8gb
    MOBO: H-RS880-uATX (Aloe)
    Processor: AMD Phenom II X4 925
    1 TB HDD
    300w
     
  3. falconattack

    falconattack Command Sergeant Major

    Hi my friend , welcome to MG's :major

    You can borrow a power supply , for instance , from your friend checking if it works :wave
     
  4. Digerati

    Digerati Major Geek Extraordinaire

    I agree with falconattack. You need to make sure the PSU is working properly before doing anything else.

    The lights you see on the motherboard and PSU only indicate the presence of +5Vsb standby voltage. They do not indicate the standard +12V, +5V or +3.3VDC voltages are present, and within tolerances.

    Here's my canned text on testing PSUs:
    To properly and conclusively test a power supply unit (PSU), it must be tested under various realistic "loads" then analyzed for excessive ripple and other anomalies that affect computer stability. This is done by a qualified technician using an oscilloscope or power supply analyzer - sophisticated (and expensive) electronic test equipment requiring special training to operate, and a basic knowledge of electronics theory to understand the results. Therefore, conclusively testing a power supply is done in properly equipped electronic repair facilities.

    Fortunately, there are other options that are almost as good. I keep a PSU Tester in my tool bag in my truck. The advantage of this model is that it has an LCD readout of the voltage. With an actual voltage readout, you have a better chance of detecting a "failing" PSU, or one barely within the required tolerances as specified in the ATX Form Factor PSU Design Guide (see “Table 2. DC Output Voltage Regulation” on Page 13). Lesser models use LEDs to indicate the voltage is just within some "range". These are less informative, considerably cheaper, but still useful for detecting PSUs that have already "failed". Newegg has several testers to choose from. However, none of these testers test for ripple and they only provide a small "dummy load", not a variety of "realistic" loads. So while not a certain test, these testers are better than nothing. They are also great when using a spare PSU for testing fans and drive motors as they signal the PSU to turn on when plugged in.

    Note the required voltage tolerance ranges:


    Swapping in a known good supply is a tried and true method of troubleshooting used for years, even by pros. If you have access to a suitably sized, spare power supply, carefully remove the suspect supply and replace it with the known good one, and see if the problem goes away.

    I do not recommend using a multimeter to test power supplies. To do it properly, that is, under a realistic load, the voltages on all the pins must be measured while the PSU is attached to the motherboard and the computer powered on. This requires poking (with some considerable force) two hard and sharp, highly conductive meter probes into the main power connector, deep in the heart of the computer. One tiny slip can destroy the motherboard, and everything plugged into it. It is not worth the risk considering most multimeters, like plug-in testers, do not measure, or reveal any unwanted and potentially disruptive AC components to the DC voltages.

    Note the ATX Form Factor standard does not "require" specific color coding for power supply connector wiring. It has recommendations but manufacturers often do not follow them. Sadly, many testing guides or tutorials will refer to wire color only and that can lead to improper testing.

    The voltages can be checked in the BIOS Setup Menus of most motherboards but they do not reveal ripple or other anomalies either. And of course, booting into the BIOS Setup Menu requires a working PSU.

    As always, before working in the interior of the computer case, take necessary ESD precautions to ensure static buildup in your body does not discharge through and destroy any sensitive devices. Unplug from the wall and touch bare metal of the case before reaching in. And remember, anything that plugs into the wall can kill. Do not open the power supply's case unless you are a qualified electronics technician. There are NO user-serviceable parts inside a power supply. If you do not have a tester or a suitable spare to swap in, take the PSU to a qualified technician for testing.

    For more information on testing PSUs, see this excellent article by Gabriel Torres, Why 99% of Power Supply Reviews are Wrong.​
     
  5. falconattack

    falconattack Command Sergeant Major

    Digerati a good detailed description , you are right :wave
     

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