Epson Xp 455 Printer

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by earlook, Mar 7, 2019.

  1. earlook

    earlook Private E-2

    Have epson stopped cloned cartridges being fitted?Tried to replace black with a clone and an error message came onto the printer display saying it could not be recognised.i bought this one last year and my previous epson always "asked" if i wanted to carry on with the cartridge and all was well.Been on the net and went through,control panel,devices and printers, epson,maintenance,printer preferences,extended settings and unchecked "enable epson status monitor3" but no change.One suggestion was to look under "speed and progress" but it was not there.Unchecking "enable epson monitor 3" stops ink levels being shown so it is enabled again,any help please.
     
  2. Eldon

    Eldon Major Geek Extraordinaire

  3. Digerati

    Digerati Major Geek Extraordinaire

    Years ago, they and others did this, but the courts got after them. The printer makers really are stuck between a rock and hard place here. Printer competition has gotten so rough they have to lower their prices to point they can't really make any money. So they have to on inks.

    But consumers and the aftermarket inks have their rights too. The problem is, some aftermarket inks are truly junk. And even those from the reputable sources are often inconsistent from batch to batch. And because ink quality is so important for the proper care of the ink jets and heads, poor quality ink really can damage them. And then consumers complain to Epson, HP, Brother, etc. because the printer makers won't fix them under warranty.

    I use aftermarket ink from LD on my HP. And most of the time, it works fine. But there have, over the years been problems that are only cleared up by inserting genuine cartridges.
     
  4. Mac20nine

    Mac20nine Private E-2

    It's gotten so bad with hidden software that monitors your usage that I will never buy another inkjet. Going laser. Never ever going to put up with the horsehockey and clogged jets again. Too many times. Too much $ flushed.

    Hope Eldon's link helps.
     
  5. Digerati

    Digerati Major Geek Extraordinaire

    Well, don't think just because your next is a laser that it will be trouble free or with usage monitoring.

    FTR, one of the best ways to keep your ink jet working properly is to use it - often.
     
  6. Mac20nine

    Mac20nine Private E-2

    Right, but the most common problem, like your last sentence refers to, will likely be solved by shaking the cartridge vs. buying a new one.
     
  7. Digerati

    Digerati Major Geek Extraordinaire

    Shaking (well, gently rolling back and forth) can help with a cartridge that has sat unused for awhile, but that does nothing for the print heads. So actually, just using the printer will keep "all the juices flowing" - so to speak. Otherwise, they are like blood, and if allowed to pool for too long, it will begin to thicken and then dry. No amount of shaking will help then.

    The truth is, these inks are really very complex chemical formulas. The ink must have the right viscosity and other characteristics to properly flow through the jets, mix precisely to make the exact colors, disburse on to the paper in precise patterns without being too thick and without bleeding into the paper or spreading out. Then it must dry quickly, not smear, and not fade over time. It really is some pretty high-tech stuff.

    To make it consistent, batch after batch requires very consistent sources of raw materials which must already be of very high quality. And then it must be consistently produced to high standards. This all takes money, and excellent quality control. And really, just like Pepsi and Coke, only the original printer makers (those who have the secret formulas) can produce the quality inks that meet the required specifications for each printer model consistently, batch after batch, year after year.

    The aftermarket suppliers must have some pretty sophisticated equipment and very knowledgeable people who can reverse engineer each color. No easy task to begin with - and not cheap. Then they need to come up with the raw materials and a quality production facility.

    What this means is Stables, LD, Office Depot, Walmart, Innovera, and ABC123 Inks all use inks that are slightly different from the original equipment maker's formula, and each other's formula. And worse for consumers is there is no guarantee of consistency in quality of the ink or the cartridge between batches.

    I have used several different brands of aftermarket ink. When they work, the print quality has typically been satisfactory. The biggest problem I have found with aftermarket cartridges for my HP printer (which uses 564 cartridges) is the plastic clip that holds the cartridges securely in the cartridge assembly. On brand new OEM cartridges, there is plenty of spring tension in the clip for it to securely "click" and lock into place, securely holding the cartridge in the correct position to work properly.

    Aftermarket cartridges are used, often reused several times. And this plastic click is part of the molded cartridge. There is no way to re-manufacture this clip to restore the tension strength back to the original tension level so it can properly hold the cartridge in place. This has frequently resulted in the printer reporting errors with the cartridge, and failures to print. :mad: I had similar problems with my last two printers - another HP and a Brother.

    Now LD, for example, has an excellent guaranteed to work/free replacement policy. But the failures are still very inconvenient, time consuming and frustrating. :( I have never had these problems with new cartridges from the OEMs.

    Something else to consider if you want some consistent and reliable printing with an ink jet, don't buy a budget printer or you'll get what you paid for.
     
  8. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    I had the two newest HP printers stop printing last week. Both use genuine HP carts.
    I did have another HP printer refuse to print with a new, non-expired HP cart. So, I don't expect HP carts to be trouble-free BUT they should. (We have 5 HP printers in the house)

    The two oldest HPs just keep going and going with few problems. I use LD carts in the oldest from around 1997 because no one locally sells HP carts. I suspect they think everyone has thrown away this model. We're happy with the quality of LD carts.

    I was willing to sacrifice a new cart in the newest printer to see if I could get it working again, even though it showed 65% black ink remaining.
    HAH, I discovered while going through all the troubleshooting and HP tools that unless you sign up for HP instant inks, the % showing might not be accurate! I now put a label on the printer showing when I replaced the black cart instead of depending on the false % remaining.

    So I now have 4 working printers and will deal with the middle one, age-wise, now that I have some time. It is connected to a computer that has no internet access. We take files there and use the oldest printer but it will be nice to be able to scan or copy, if we want.
     
  9. Digerati

    Digerati Major Geek Extraordinaire

    I used to do that, then I starting printing the date on the cartridge itself, now I have a spreadsheet. But really, not sure any of that tells me anything. If I printed the same documents over and over again, it might be telling. But different print jobs use different colors and different amounts of ink. Plus last week I might have printed 10 pages with lots of color. This week, I did my taxes so I printed lots of pages with mostly black text. Next week I might have 0 print jobs.

    And yes, I have had original HP cartridges fail too. But that's been very rare. And not one was due to that clip failing to hold the cartridge securely in place.
     

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