Fatal System Error

Discussion in 'Software' started by stephan08611, Oct 8, 2009.

  1. stephan08611

    stephan08611 Private E-2

    I was doing my weekly Malwarebytes scan when Chkdsk started by itself flashing a quick message about a file missing or something. It went through the motions and finished what it had to do, then just sat there and froze instead of restarting. I waited about 10 minutes and thought I'd help it along so I shut down manually. When I booted again I got c000021A 'Fatal System Error' The Windows Logon Process system process terminated unexpectedly with a status of 0xc0000135.
    I can get to safe mode but nothing will work, I tried them all. I inherited this computer and theres no recovery disk. Is there anything i can do? I'm starting to doubt it, lol.
    I have a Dell 4400 with XP Home.
    Thanx in advance for any ideas offered, keep in mind I can't get to anything using the usual route.
     
  2. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    Note: Any recovery done will erase all your documents and programs installed and revert the computer to the way it was when it left the factory.

    I started here http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dim4400/solve.htm
    but did not see anything about a recovery partition. I suspect you have one and it can be accessed by pressing ctrl + F11 at startup.
    Be aware that if you use this, you lose everything.

    If the recovery partition is not working, you might be able to purchase recovery CDs from Dell.
    http://support.dell.com/support/top...CAF70CBAA94797B3F60FFE4A2FE346&doclang=en&cs=

    There might be a way to restore your windows to an earlier time, like yesterday, which means you will only lose one day's worth of data/updates/programs.
    1. At startup tap F8 and select "safe mode with command prompt"
    2. Select an account with admin privileges and either enter the password, or just click enter
    3. At the command prompt type the following
    Code:
    %systemroot%\system32\restore\rstrui.exe
    4. Follow the instructions on the screen.

    If you wait, someone may come along and explain how to repair XP Home by borrowing a friend's XP Home disk.
     
  3. studiot

    studiot MajorGeek

  4. stephan08611

    stephan08611 Private E-2

    Thanx for all the info PLODR, I'm going to try the restore partition now, I tried the safe Mode command prompt yesterday, it wouldn't open. Keep you informed, and thanx again.
     
  5. stephan08611

    stephan08611 Private E-2

    Evidently this Dell doesn't have Recovery partition. Thanx again guys.
     
  6. alan12345

    alan12345 Private E-2

    I have never known Chkdsk to run on XP without my express command.

    It seems to me a very abnormal event.

    Is it possible that malware became aware of Malwarebytes approach and took evasive action ?

    Alan
     
  7. stephan08611

    stephan08611 Private E-2

    Thanx for replying, alan12345, and its very possible since I inherited this system and God only knows what its been through.

    I did a scan with SAS and it did find an 'unknown' trojan and took care of it, but things are still the same. I tired System Restore and though it goes through the motions, when it finishes it tells me it couldn't be restored and to pick another restore date. When I do the same thing happens.

    Also, and this just started yesterday, my monitor background keeps going to black no matter what I choose. All the icons are in place and functional just the background changes.

    I need to know of a GOOD online scan if you would be so kind. This thing has 2 drives and theres all kind of programs in it. Thanx again.
     
  8. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    Did you follow my 2nd link to see if you can purchase recovery CDs?
    Manufacturers do this simply because if the hard drive dies, owners have no way to get to the recovery partition.
     
  9. stephan08611

    stephan08611 Private E-2

    Thanx a lot PLODR, I just had an online chat with a Dell rep and even though I'm not the original purchaser of this puter and the warranty expired, I can get the recovery disk for $19, cheap by any standards. He assured me it'll work and they even have someone call you on a given date and guide you through the installation. So the CD's on its way, I'm a happy camper and its all cause of you, I never would have thought of that, thanx again.
     
  10. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    You are very welcome. Hopefully in a few days you will have a new computer!
    Of course you have the headache of all the updates but it is nice to know you do have a way to recover the computer.
     
  11. stephan08611

    stephan08611 Private E-2

    I posted a few weeks ago about a Fatal error after my puter wouldn't restart and I shut it down manually. When I rebooted I got the error message and the system shut down. PLDOC suggested I contact Dell for a Recovery disk, which I did. The tech guided me through a pretty extensive reformatting and all was well. When we were finished I tried to Restart again, which was my issue in the first place, and it froze again so I had to shut down manually again but it didn't freeze on reboot, yet. Its only a matter of time until it crashes again. Any thoughts on this? It was a fresh reformat and I didnt go to any sites before I tried the restart so it can't be a virus [I don't think].
     
  12. da.bell

    da.bell Private First Class

    What version of the bio's are you running?
     
  13. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    Your Dell 4400 freezes even before you have any software installed?

    Dells come with lots of trials and unneeded programs. Before assuming it is frozen, it might be that all these programs are looking for updates.
    Let it alone for awhile and then go back to it and see if it is unfrozen.
    If that was the case, we can help you to remove all the gunk from the computer.
    If not, we'll look at some hardware causes for the freezing.
     
  14. studiot

    studiot MajorGeek

    Then it's likely to be faulty/loose memory.
     
  15. stephan08611

    stephan08611 Private E-2

    The BIOS version is REG_MULTI_SZ.

    In response to PLODR, the Restart [which caused the initial Fatal system error] is still there after a Dell tech helped me reformat.
    Also, how long should I let it sit? I have let it go for 10 minutes or better before and it was still frozen.
     
  16. alan12345

    alan12345 Private E-2

  17. stephan08611

    stephan08611 Private E-2

    Sorry, I know nothing of BIOS but I got what I posted using this:

    1.Click on Start and then Run.

    2.In the text box in the Run window, type regedit and click OK. This will open the Registry Editor program.

    Note: Do not make any changes to any entry anywhere in Registry Editor to avoid causing serious system issues. These steps only direct you to view a registry entry, not to make changes.

    3.Locate the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE folder under My Computer and click on the (+) sign next the folder name to expand the folder.

    4.In the resulting folders, locate and click on the (+) sign next to HARDWARE to expand this folder.

    5.In the resulting folders, locate and click on the (+) sign next to DESCRIPTION to expand this folder.

    6.In the resulting folders, locate and click on the System folder.

    7.In the results that appear in the window on the right, locate the SystemBiosVersion and SystemBiosDate entries.

    8.The data in the SystemBiosVersion field contains the BIOS version for your motherboard. This field may also contain additional information such as the chipset manufacturer and BIOS manufacturer.

    9.The data in the SystemBiosDate field contains the calendar date associated with the current BIOS version on your motherboard. The BIOS date can be useful in determining the current BIOS version from a motherboard manufacturer's website if the version is not clear in the SystemBiosVersion field.

    10.Close Registry Editor without making any

    Anyway, I can't try your method yet as I decided to do a Chkdks . It finished and is supposed to Restart itself but its just sitting there, 15 minutes now.
    I also spoke to another Dell tech who tried to tell me my harddrive was bad because I couldn't access the Recovery partition. This computer never had one and the tech I spoke with previously acknowledged that.
    If I get the Fatal system thing trying to get out of Chkdsk, I'm going back to HP. Thanks anyway, and if I do get out of this Restart, I'll try your way to determine the BIOS.
     
  18. stephan08611

    stephan08611 Private E-2

    The computer is still stuck on Restart from the Chkdsk [over an hour now]. If memory serves this is what happened just before the Fatal error. Chkdsk launched itself and when it was finished it froze and I got the Fatal error after I shut down manually. I'm starting to think this whole issue is an excercise in futility. Thanx anyway you guys.
     
  19. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    10 minutes is not long. Some days when my AntiVir updates, it takes 12 minutes just for that.

    Is there a restart option on the screen or does the computer just restart? I can't picture what you posted.
     
  20. stephan08611

    stephan08611 Private E-2

    It doesn't restart by itself, problem is it WON'T Restart.
    After Chkdsk ran, its suppose to restart by itself, it froze for over an hour. I had to manually shut down and was amazed I didn't get the Fatal error again. It freezes after every Restart option, either manually or if a program needs to restart to take effect.
    BIOS version in System utility says: IntelCorp A04
    SMBIOS version 2.3 if that means anything.
     
  21. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    Notes for me:
    error: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;156669
    doesn't seem very applicable
    refuses to restart but after a fresh install will boot up, just never restart.
    shutdown problems but not reboot problems: http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/shtdwnxp.php

    stephan08611,
    Start/Run and type %windir%\system32\shutdown.exe -r -t 0
    does that force a restart?

    Try this software. It's small, free and safe
    http://www.karenware.com/powertools/ptstopper.asp
    select the restart/reboot and see if that works.
     
  22. stephan08611

    stephan08611 Private E-2

    Finally some things that look promising. It'll take me awhile to waddle through the manual stuff, so I'll try the tool first. Thanx again, PLODR.
     
  23. stable-cottage

    stable-cottage Private E-2

    its tempting to always blame a virus for these problems but I had a similar event recently which turned out to be my multi-card reader. I disconnected it and everything started to work properly again. No more BSOD and random rebooting.

    Worth disconecting all hardware clear cmos ,set to defualts and try booting just in case it is a hardware fault
     
  24. stephan08611

    stephan08611 Private E-2

    The Karens Power tool didn't work. Tried both Reboot and Force Reboot and froze up on both. Froze on the Start/Run command also %windir%\system32\shutdown.exe -r -t 0

    As for the card reader theory, I wouldn't even know where to look for it or how to disable it. I think I'm giving up. Thanx again for all your efforts.
     
  25. stable-cottage

    stable-cottage Private E-2

    I wasn't suggesting that your problem was due to a multi-memory card reader simply that the problem might be due to a hardware issue rather than software.

    You need a little persistence to work with computer problems
     
  26. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    I'm starting to think it is a hardware problem too. You purchased a restore disk from Dell, used that so we know it is good and yet the computer freezes when trying to reboot.

    I just read this
    If there are two physical hard drives in the computer, open it up and remove the slave drive. You don't have to take it out of the cage/slot. Just pull the power connector, noting first which way the color wires go (I usually jot a note for myself) and remove the connector on the gray ribbon cable attached to the hd.

    You should now have just the one master hard drive that you have restored. Boot up the computer and see how it works for shut down and reboot.
     
  27. stable-cottage

    stable-cottage Private E-2

    also might be worth trying a new/spare IDE cable
     

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