harddrive update

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by peterr, Sep 18, 2011.

  1. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    Hello
    Two questions
    1-Dell site says upgrade hard drive urgent. Should I do this upgrade?
    2-if I shoud do this, does it affect the content on the drive?
    Thank you
     
  2. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    Please post a link to the Dell site info so we can see exactly what you are talking about.

    A hard drive upgrade is not the norm; other parts of a computer like sound, audio and BIOS are normally shown.
     
  3. Tueur

    Tueur Sergeant Major

    Sounds suspicious to me? not sure how a website knows you need to upgrade your drive?
     
  4. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    Hi all
    I have attached a prntscrn of my laptop as I am away from the desktop in question.
    As you can see Dell recommends a sata upgrade for this laptop.
    Following the same prodcedure for the desktop, it was urgent

    Am I making an error when I enter my service tag, the pc's features like audio, video, sata, chipset, bios, dvd etc. are displayed and there is a recommendeation from Dell for each feature ranging from optional to recommended to urgent.
    I chose sata thinking that is my harddrive.
    I wish I was at the desktop and could prnt scrn it but I think you get the idea from the laptop as a substitute.
    If sata is not the hard drive, what is the designation for it?
    Thank you
     
    Last edited: Mar 7, 2012
  5. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    I searched for Intel Rapid Storage technology and found this
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Rapid_Storage_Technology

    It has to do with RAID. Do you use RAID? (As a simple home user, I do not use it; I prefer images to using multiple hard drives in RAID array).
    Note the update is from 2010. If your computer is working, I'd ignore this recommended update.

    I rarely update hardware unless I have a specific problem then I start searching to see if there is a particular update to fix the problem.
     
  6. augiedoggie

    augiedoggie The Canadian Loon - LocoAugie (R.I.P. 2012)

    Is your current drive near its max? If not, then it sounds more like marketing to me. Have you checked the drive's integrity yet?
     
  7. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    HI Plodr
    I am sorry to put you to all that work but if you see my last post, the prntscrn was only for the lap(as an example of Dell's process) because I was not able to get to the desk - it was the desk that simply said urgent under sata.
    I was taught not to udate unless necessary; seeing urgent with no explanation leaves me wondering what to do.
    Peter

    Auggie - please see the explanation that this prnt scrn is only an example of Dell's update process. I can't get to the desktop right now to send that screen shot.
    It is that desktop that says 'urgent' with no explanation. I entered sata assuming that is the harddrive. Both pcs have 90% empty.
     
  8. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

  9. sach2

    sach2 Major Geek Extraordinaire

    I'm thinking that the update you showed for the laptop is for how the computer communicates with the hard drive. The SATA interface driver. (Since it is an intel driver and intel builds chips not hard drives.)

    Please do post the model of desktop so we can see what the update in question relates to. But if Dell says it is urgent then most likely the current driver is causing problems on some people's systems. If you click on the name on the second line (Rapid Storage Technology in your example) then on the details page you can expand Fixes and Enhancements which should tell you why the new desktop driver is needed.
     
  10. Tueur

    Tueur Sergeant Major

    I first took this to mean the actual drive needed updating rather than the driver.

    If you aren't having specific problems then I wouldnt worry about it. As Sach2 says this is the SATA controller driver not the actual HD. If you can read and write to you drive OK then your controller driver is working fine.
     
  11. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    >>Yes PLODR, that is the site I use to find updates.

    Attached is a prnt scrn of my DESKTOP= SATA
    It says urgent as you can see.
    Where do I find my hard drive so I can tell which of the items listed apply to me?

    "The LAPTOP's report was "urgent" for UTILITIES".

    I have an XPS8300 desk, and an Inspiron N5010 or 15 R

    Each has an intel i5, 6 GB ram and a terabyte for the desk and 600 GB for the laptop.

    I hope you have enough information to let me know why urgent is on the screens of both machines, and if I should do anything about it.
    Thank you
    Peter
     
    Last edited: Mar 7, 2012
  12. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    I found it. For the desktop it has to do with a Samsung hd F3 sizes 500GB, 750GB and 1TB.
    Fixes and Enhancements:
    Resolves an issue that cause intermittent boot problems

    This firmware download utility runs in DOS.

    1. Unzip the file F3_Patch.zip to your bootable USB key
    2. Run the F3_Patch.exe file form your bootable key
    3. You will notice that the current FW is 1AJ10001, after flash it will become 1AJ10002 (but this can only be done after reboot and re-run step 2)
    4. Reboot the system after flashed
    5. Please take note the PC will halted sometimes as the BIOS is trying to detect the HDD, force reboot again if you see this situation
    6. Once reboot successful, you will be able to go into Windows, Windows will detect your new HDD again
    7. Last reboot from the Windows after detection completed, restart and FW is now 002 version

    For the laptop, I see only one that says urgent.
    http://www.walagata.com/thumbs/perkMjG_Inspiron_urgent.jpg

    What would I do?
    Desktop: skip unless you are having boot problems.
    Laptop: skip the update is from 2010 and has to do with Dell software. I rarely use the software that a manufacturer puts on the computer.
     
  13. Tueur

    Tueur Sergeant Major

    Agreed. If it aint broke, dont fix it,
     
  14. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    Re: hard drive update

    Thank you very much for all the hard work - time consuming I am sure.

    I will do nothing as advised.

    May I ask you a question? You mention that it has to do with a Samsung hd F3.
    Where do I look in my pc to find the manufacturer of my hard drive?
    I have looked in device manufacturer and everywhere except the right place, obviously.
    Thank you
     
  15. sach2

    sach2 Major Geek Extraordinaire

  16. Tueur

    Tueur Sergeant Major

    Speccy by Piriform will also give you the details of your entire system
     
  17. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    For every computer we have, I run Belarc
    http://majorgeeks.com/download1385.html which gives detailed specs on hardware and software. I print out the info and file it in a small briefcase with all that computer's disks, sales receipts, serial numbers, etc. (each computer has its own storage "briefcase").

    From time to time, I run Belarc again as I add software and maybe even new hardware. That way, I don't have to open the case or search the web when I want to know something like how many slots for RAM and what size stick is in each slot or the name and model of my CD/DVD drive.
     
  18. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    First, I did find the same information in C: prperties that I found in device manager >disc drives.
    What threw me off was I though it would give the manufacturer's name but it gave letters and numbers and said to look it up on the web. It is there that it was identified by name. Thank you for the referral, however.
    Secondly, because the pc is stable in the respect the update would attend to, I will not perform it, however, if there is a problem with intermittent boot problems, I will know what to do
    Again, thank you all for your help.

    Plodr, you made the following comment,"I rarely use the software that a manufacturer puts on the computer."
    I though you were supposed to go to the manufacturer for updates etc like drivers, or am I reading this wrong?
     
  19. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    >>That sounds very comprehensive and functional. I too am an orderly person but with 2 pcs I do not need as much attention. I do have each machine's paperwork, details cables etc with that particular pc be it a desk for the desktop or the carrying case for the latop.
    Thanx again
     
  20. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

  21. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    Going to the manufacturer's web site and searching for updates and drivers, is not the same thing as launching a software program (or having the manufacturer set up a program that autostarts and runs every time you boot up the computer) that the manufacturer installs on your hard drive.
    If Dell installs some sort of program (I just spent the better part of yesterday setting up a new Dell for friends of mine) like an "updater", I usually disable that. They are in their 80s and have enough popups from adobe reader, java and windows 7 announcing updates that they should install for security. They do not need Dell popups saying update for hardware that is causing no problem. (If they do have a hardware problem, they call me and I start researching to see if there is a solution).
    In fact, they came from a Windows 2000 computer to Windows 7 so just figuring out where to click to find things is stressful enough for them. If I can cut down on the popups, I try to do that.

    Yes Peter, the hd in the desktop is Samsung, according to what I found on Dell's site.
     
  22. Tueur

    Tueur Sergeant Major

    Incidently it is not alway best to go to the manufacturer website for driver updates.

    Dell dont build the components so if nVidia release a new driver for a card then Dell will have to find the driver package it up and add it to their site. Its not uncommon to find out of date drivers on these sites. This would also apply to bought Graphics cards ie nVidia make the chipset and write the drivers, Asus might make the card and Dell then put the card in their PC. Each website probably has the drivers but the most up to date will always be on the chipset manufacturers website.
     
  23. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    Tueur
    I get it -go to nvidia for the card update if necessary, for example.
     
  24. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    Plodr
    That is quite commendable of you to do that. We all shoud do so.
    I try to on my level but must b careful not to make matters worse for someone -only if I am sure, will I yhen give advice.
    Dell just asked for to update the Local Data Safe backup which is the program you use whe you first set up the pc and make 2 dvds.
    I opted for the update for seurity reasons. I wonder if have to make a new set of discs -Dell said no but i do not trust them. It isn't like an image where you make a new rescue disc when you update the program.
    Anyway, I think I know what you mean because Dell has a program which can run tests and report back to them. It supposedly tests hard ware and is called the Dell support center. There is a little gear where you can click a tab and unselect involving yourself.
    I disabled it along time ago and have run the test when I thought there was a problem.
    So, manufacturer like nvidea for updating drivers IF necessary.
    I guess you avoid Windows and Dell and use the manufacturer of the drive or card etc for updates when needed.
    Thanx for the help
    ps few more birthdaysand I'll join your friends -between dvrs, pcs, multifunctons, new phones and other electronics, I look forward to a cowboy movie a la 1940.
     
  25. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    I DID NOT set up local data safe backup. Why? If the hard drive dies, then anything backed up to the local drive is NOT accessible. I never backup to the computer. I either would choose backing up to an external drive or DVDs/CDs. That is just me being paranoid. I have some images burned and others on two different external drives so if one thing dies, I still have two places that I can grab images from.
    I burned the recovery DVDs for my friends; I did not need to collect drivers because Dell supplied a program and drivers disk.

    Eventually, I will burn an Acronis image for them. I need to wait until Win 7 has finished downloading all the updates. No point in wasting DVDs to make an image when Java, Adobe Reader , flash and windows requires updating. I also installed Home and Student Office 2010 and I suspect they will get updates pushed down to them for that. That way, they do not have to go back to factory settings if something goes weird in a month or two.
    They never had a computer with a burner before so this is all new to them. I made them listen to the sound the drive made when burning should they would know what burning normally sounds like.
     
  26. Tueur

    Tueur Sergeant Major

    Just to be clear... I dont believe Dell are testing your hardware. Hardware tests usually take a signifficant length of time to run. All dell will be doing is looking at you driver versions and the software that interacts with your hardware and seeing if there are newer versions available. Your system can be completely up to date and Dell will report no issues but your hardware could fail.

    Not paranoid... Sound Advice.

    I am still relativly new here but one thing that is apparent is the number of people who have inadequete backup routines. So many post go along the lines of "My computer is broke because of X and I have all my important data on there that I must get back... Can you help?" In short if you dont back your data up then you only have yourself to blame when something goes wrong. Additionally it becomes a lot easier to just wipe the PC and restore data from backup. I can do this in about an hour and a half to 2 hours. Troubleshooting a borked OS can take days, hence why most repair shop just reformat loosing all your data with a "well you should have backed it up" view.
     
  27. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    I think data safe has to do with the 2 dvds you burn when you first get the pc.
    I have those.
    I also have sensitive data on 2 flashdrives as the liklihood of both going atthe same time is not likely. The same infor mation is on the Acronis backup. i have overdone it but better safe than ....
    I do image with Acronis to my external harddrives which I woud not use a pc without.
     
  28. augiedoggie

    augiedoggie The Canadian Loon - LocoAugie (R.I.P. 2012)

    Yup! I keep saying it to everyone of my friends to back up 'til I'm blue in the face! I'm with plodr here, at least back up to reliable media anything that is irreplaceable to two places and if one can, keep a copy off-site in case of a real life emergency like a fire. I have DVD'S of my stuff sitting in a yard shed ATM, all nicely vacumn packed too.;) I got the idea from when I worked, that's what they did.

    I also have an Acronis image around just in case my main C drive goes the way of malware or the HDD starts the clicking of death. Best $50 I've spent that I luckily haven't had to use yet.:)
     

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