Here We Go Again.......

I know it has all been said before but here we go again
Only in the USA....... yet another senseless mass shooting with at least 17 dead and dozens injured
https://www.theage.com.au/world/nor...rror-at-florida-shooting-20180215-p4z0go.html

Sending condolences to friends and relatives of those who died and best wishes for a speedy recovery to those injured When your kids go to school you expect them to come home healthy so how must the victim's families be feeling......this sort of thing destroys lives

How many more innocent people have to die before something gets done or there is even the realisation that this is really a tragic and ongoing problem..................

 

Back when I was in high school the building was wide open from like 7a to 6p. I stopped by the old alma mater when I was back in town last year. These days the school is pretty much locked down, with security guards, and a main entrance with a "teller window". Getting a visitor's pass during regular school hours is pretty much impossible. It's like an armed camp. Sad days...

 

This really saddens me and this is no way to be educating your children in lockdown and still the killing continues.
I am so glad I didn't have to send my kids to an American school.......hmmmm imagine how worried you would be as a parent if your child was an exchange student and was attending school in the USA.............

+1 I agree it is sending all the wrong messages to young kids who are forming opinions about the world that they will probably follow through the rest of their lives
It is all so tragic but we said all this last time too

 

I have no words left, not even a prayer as if the only *solution* that is offered is to pray for the victims in such senseless shootings. Is praying the only *solution* left?????

The guy used an AK-15 which can be purchased at the age of 18, but a gun at age 21. Does that make sense? Isn't it time for the politicians to DO something even when *bought* by the NRA and the gun manufacturers?

 

It is unimaginable how a human being can be capable of anything like this.

 

2nd amendment excerpt: A "WELL REGULATED" militia. As is stands now: not even close! It's time to start DOING something? Throw the hypocrite bums who have blood on their hands out of office. I'm just a neighbor living north of you and and I am royally angry, pissed and sad...

 

Wow 18 shootings since January 1st.....that is way beyond acceptable
I heard some dude talking on the TV news this morning and he was saying that Trump is pushing for concealed carry for all states and will try and make it federal law so no states can stop the mandate...................good timing ..........I only hope this isn't true

@Tim yep assault rifles are for hunting people and they do this very well

 

Jeez Tim, how is that gonna help? Keep going down this path and all the kids will be carrying bigger and bigger guns just to keep up with the other kids. Maybe having more guns is Trump's plan to keep the US population in check...........hmmm..........makes China's one child policy seem reasonable

 

The second amendment is just that, an amendment. The right to bear arms was written long ago. The amendment can be changed. I truly believe that America needs to embrace gun control. I am deeply saddened by yet another senseless mass shooting.

 

Interesting read: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/world/americas/mass-shootings-us-international.html?referer=

 

Terrible event, I keep wondering what has changed since I was in High School... If you had a fight, it was handled behind the gym, maybe a bloody nose or lip. Many folks went hunting before school, and guns were very common in the parking lot. (in a gun rack, not people walking around with them).

As far as the AR-15 rifle, many hunting guns can be used with higher capacity magazines to have more power and equal capacity of the AR. The AR-15 just 'looks' scary. And yes, people do hunt with them a lot around here. Very popular gun for hunting feral hogs in the South. If I were to hunt with one, I would probably use a smaller capacity mag, just to make the gun easier to handle in the woods. But, the 2A was not about hunting anyway.

Drugs have been illegal for many years, but they are all over... Attempted murder is illegal, murder is illegal, bringing a gun to a "Gun Free" zone like a school is illegal. I would be a bit hesitant to let an entity like our gubment just "do something" to "prevent gun crime". Seems they can't seem to figure out immigration, or even balance a checkbook, as last I looked we had around $20 trillion in debt.

I think in the end, the problem is not the weapon used, but the reason the person decided to carry out this action. A mass killing can be done with a knife, and even with a vehicle as we have seen in the US and Europe. In 1927, a crazy guy killed 45 people in a school with explosives.

As far as changing the Amendments to the Constitution, I don't really see that happening with the current legislative branch . "The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures." https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution

 

Oma, apparently I have reached my limit on free articles at the NYT.

 

An AR-15 is not a "machine gun". My understanding is you can buy a long gun at 18 , 21 to buy a handgun.

Pigs are feral, shoot on sight, invasive species. And I only hunt doves actually, hire my assassin at the local market to kill my meat. But feral hog hunting is not a sport, it is protecting land/crops from an invasive species.

Google Chicago and gun violence TimW. Lots of gun laws, lots of death.

 

Why acting like an ostrich?

 

Assault style weapon really means "looks scary".

A 'Watch List", well, we do have due process here. Are people notified and able to clear their name if on a watch list? Are we guilty until proven innocent, or innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? If they are are not even notified they are on a list, well, that is not right.

 

No Oma, just letting you know I could not read the article you linked to. And not going to comment on something I can't read.

 

http://time.com/5011519/texas-church-shooting-mental-health-donald-trump/
President Trump said the Texas church shooting was largely a “mental health” problem, but at the beginning of his presidency he rolled back a regulation that would have made it harder for people with histories of mental illness to purchase guns.

In February 2017, Trump signed a bill that undid a regulation from Barack Obama’s presidency which said the Social Security Administration would have to report certain mentally ill recipients and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database, NBC reports. The Obama Administration said the rule would have added 75,000 names to the database.

Read more by clicking on the link....

 

Strange, I clicked on the link numerous times today and no problems in reading the article every time.... it's just too long to quote it. You probably don't want to read anything about the truth.

Here is the headline of the article....
What Explains U.S. Mass Shootings? International Comparisons Suggest an Answer

 

No Oma, read back. The site would not let me view the article for free, and I am not going to pay to view it. I will check out your other link Friday.

 

If guns were outlawed and recalled, I sure most law abiding citizens would conform. I would have to since as head of this house I have to remain a free man. I would still use a golf club, baseball bat or maybe a piece of galvanized steel pipe to protect my house. But even with a majority complying there's still too many outlawed guns and outlaw owners out there. And that number is not ever going to decrease. Doesn't matter who's in office or who has the votes or anything those people can do. The number of guns unaccounted for already is past being controlled. Might as well get used to security getting more and more into our daily lives. See in this article some facts of the missing and unaccounted for weapon numbers. And it's amazing to me some of the sources of these missing guns.

http://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-traffickingprivate-sales-statistics/

 

No, actually, it means people who are on a list, not convicted can buy things legally. If they are guilty, why are they not in court, not free? And again, an AR-15 is not an assault weapon. It is a magazine fed semi auto rife.

Again, innocent until proven guilty. There have been congress critters on the no fly list...

 

I couldn't get to the link from oma either.

 

Terrorists can build bombs and hijack airplanes and may already have little uzi's or mac 10's that they brought into US illegally already.

 

Our security is weak. If we can't stop people bringing in tons - of dope - how do we even know how many people or what kinds of weapons they bring with them!

 

Paranoid much?

 

Our little silly AR-15's are a child's toy to a real terrorist. Stop making and selling those and you stop some wanna be's.

 

Who? Me, Tim or Fred?

 

If you see the evening news or view world affairs you'll see terror gangs taking on each other, or police stations, or army compounds, Not too many schools except for here, Granted there has been Al Shebab or some such taking all 200 or something girls from a school a couple years ago. We seem to have a number of mentally deficient individuals taking on soft targets. Schools, malls, concerts, political gatherings. Gun control may be able to stop some of those type attacks. But anyone who has that kind of a death wish is going to be able to find a supplier for the weapons, one way or another.

 

Not many in the rest of the world carrying a semi.

 

From that article :

Laws in the United States mostly limited civilian possession of AR-15s and their competitors to models that fire semiautomatically only.

 

I don't own one. Never wanted one. If the law passed saying no more I wouldn't care. But for some folks, they'll find a way. That's why we need the better security.

 

Some countries are going to still be manufacturing these type weapons no matter what we do here. And there will always be an underground market worldwide. These type weapons will be around long after we are gone. Us (we) legal owners and legal operators are not the problem. And even if we have to give up every firearm, guess what! It will still happen again!

 

Fear is the problem. Fear is the reason for all the weapons. Fear, anger, and hate are the reason for so much violence.

Australia got tough on guns over twenty years ago. As usual anymore, the United States is at least 12 steps behind...

 

Unbridled fear creates paranoia so you're absolutely right!

 

Definitely NOT Tim!

 

The AK-47 is more likely the favorite rifle of terrorists. Made since the 1950's or so, in most every communist country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47

 

That is from your second link Oma. People should not be stripped of their rights without due process.