I Can't Believe it

Michael Jackson not guilty on all charges.


As I said, I can't believe it.
Gal

 

yeah quite disgusted myself...

they couldn't even find him guilty of giving intoxicants to children??? i mean wtf... it was clear as day that he was giving them wine and alcohol and telling them it was "jesus juice"...

seeing all these screaming fans outside the courtroom makes me sick to my stomach... he could have molested a 100 boys and they would still be out there blindly proclaiming his innocence...


christ, Michael Jackson doesn't even resemble the same person who wrote the songs that made him the King Of Pop... he looks like a freakin skeleton...

 

Ok people, lets review the current structure of the world:
Rich = Do what you want to whomever you want...
Poor = Pay for the bulls*it the rich don't...

I mean did anyone truly think for one damned minute that Jackson was going to get a guilty count on anything??? C'mon that guy by himself is at least 1/4 of California's Economy.

 

I was sooooooooooo hoping the jury would do the right thing and not look at the money issue or the stardom.

My 16 year old just got home and she is so mad, disgusted, angry, grossed out. She has no words except them. (Not any she will say to me anyways)......http://www.ageekiam.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I am still in disbelief

Gal

 

He hasn't got Neverland anymore though, he's had to sell that off.

To be honest, I feel sorry for him. He hasn't had the best life, really, has he?

 

I did, and apparently 90% of legal analysts on the news thought so too... there's plenty of reports out there indicating that Michael Jackson is bankrupt and in serious financial crisis, so i don't think he's generating too much revenue for the state of California....

 

I have to disagree with feeling sorry for him. We ALL have hurdles in our life, and what we do with those makes us a better person or not.

The decisions we make of what we do with our lives is each of us's responsibility. We are responsible for our actions.

Gets off soapbox now.

Gal

 

It is certainly a shame that he's walking right now. Too bad the people trying to get him off the street didn't have any more credibility than they did or he'd be in big trouble right now.

 

I don't know if he's guilty or not. I didn't follow the trial. If he didn't do it, I think the guys an idiot for putting himself in a situation where he could be charged with this crime again. He should have avoided all situations where he was alone with kids, for his own protection, because some people will use their kids for financial gain. And what parent would allow their kid to sleep over at an adults place without being there to supervise, anyway? If he did do it, then proof once again that fame and money does put you above the law, despite, as in this case, the loss of credibility. Sex crimes always leave a stigma whether the perp is guilty or innocent. People responding here, is he guilty in your minds because you know he did it or the evidence is truly overwhelming (beyond a reasonable doubt), or is it because he's such a freak that it just makes sense that he did it?

 

You can be sure he will hurt children again. Very few of his kind can be helped, especially when your rich and others will cover for you. He and his family are in denial, and when it does happen again, the jury is to blame.

 

Good music yes.
Good person no.
I, like all the rest of you, think it's disgusting that he's allowed to walk free, and we don't know what else he could do. If he's gotten away with this then maybe he could do far worse stuff.

 

He needs to see a psychiatrist ASAP. Something from his childhood has really screwed with his synapses...possibly the treatment he received from his father.. but I can only speculate on that.

 

I have to agree with MA.. I'm pretty sure you can't convict someone for being a weirdo. Yes, sharing his bed with children is wrong and the parents who let them should have their heads examined. Alas, there was no evidence of harm done.

Do I think the man is completely screwed in the head? I sure do.. but I also think he's harmless.

 

I'd have to say that a grown man sleeping with young boys is far from harmless.

 

there was no evidence of physical harm. No evidence of molestation.. please define how the children were harmed.. in your expert opinion of course.

 

Psychologically harmed. Go speak with a psychologist and see what they say about it. I have talked about it with one before. IMO psychological (emotional, mental, etc) harm is worse than any physical he may or may not have done

 

@ Kuku:
So, in your expert opinion based in , of course, psychology, you feel they have been psychologically harmed. Please describe how.

 

I agree with MA. If the prosecution can't present a good case, then the jury has no choice but to come back with a not guilty verdict. There are too many people in prison that were sent there because it SEEMS like they did it. Granted, a lot of those people probably did, but I can't imagine what it would feel like to get locked up for something that I didn't do.

Everybody that thinks that he got off because of his celebrity should also think about how many people think that he was guilty because of his celebrity. If this were some pervert from a small town, there wouldn't even be any conversation about it. Then again, if it were some pervert from a small town who had been accused of child molestation multiple times in the past, no parent in their right mind would send their kid to sleep over there... unsupervised or not.

 

I hear ya man, It's hard NOT to put our own assumptions based on what we know before the facts. I mean, we all know OJ did it.. and there is probably a really good chance that Jacko did something too. I know I couldn't be on one of those juries because my opinions would get in the way.

 

Hmmm, so, lets say you are the father and you have a son that just had some nightmares. He climbs in bed with you.

Don't say this is totally different. You just said that a grown man should not sleep with a little boy.

Bah, I hate typical americans who love to pounce on any mistakes that the rich, the government, the military, their neighbors, their stupid pets, including their goldfish.

 

Lets now use your example, with a simple play on your words.


Hmmm, so, lets say you are not the father and your neighbor has a son that just had some nightmares. He climbs in bed with you.

...see the difference now?

And what does being American have anything to do with it at all? What a load of crap.

 

With a play of words....anything can be changed. Well, then, I'd call my friend and said that his son is sleep walking again, and needs to pick him up!

Nothing at all, the troll in me came out. Therefore, I typically stay away from these sorts of topics. Including this one. But, the troll came out, which I have officially put away again.

 

Child Molestation (especially of the "touching" kind) is almost impossible to prove... there's not going to be a secret security camera to capture the incident... it's always going to come down to the child's word vs. the accused... it's like this because there's no transmission of bodily fluids and no penetration for a medical examiner to verify...

if i told any of you i had an Uncle who sleeps with 13 year old boys in his bed 365 days a year, an Uncle who owns homosexual pornography, and Uncle who fools boys into drinking alcohol by telling them it's Jesus Juice, and an Uncle who paid $20 million to another young boy to prevent him from pursuing criminal charges, you tell me what YOU are going to conclude about my Uncle...

Michael Jackson might not be a "rational person" but I'm seeking a rational explanation for his motives and his behavior... why have little boys (and pretty much never girls) sleep in your bed if you love ALL children... why have readily accessible pornography for them, and why give them alcohol? until i find a plausible explanation for all that i will continue to beleive he is a child molestor....

 

Juror #1 said it best... when intereviewed separately he said he believes MichaeL Jackson probably has molested children... but for the purpose of the trial and his role as a juror, the Prosecution did not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt, so they had to return a not guilty verdict...

the reason i believe Michael Jackson paid such a high settlement amount to the '93 accuser is because the boy was so credible he was able to describe and draw Michael Jackson's anatomy, to enough detail to include freckles and discolorations (this is why investigators photographed MJ's private parts)... nobody pays $20 million to someone if they have NO credibility... if he was just trying to avoid negative publicity he would have been able to pay ALOT less to that accuser... hell he only paid out $2 million to the son of one of his Neverland Ranch maid's...

why $20 million to shut up the first boy and only $2 million for the latter???

it's important to remember that not guilty does not imply innocent... the term not guilty is reserved strictly for the context of the trial and the application of the law... although i'm sure if you asked any of those Jackson fans outside of the courthouse they would tell you he's innocent because he was found not guilty...

 

Food for thought..
when it's all said and done... does anyone here REALLY give a poop?

 

I think the jurors should be made to use Michael Jackson as a baby sitter. I'd like to see their verdict on that trial. Did anyone hear about the guy that came across the Canadian border with.. like... all kinds of weapons including a chainsaw stained with what "appeared" to be blood? They let that guy across the border and just confenscated his weapons. He then later killed and decapitated some guy.

I got off the story somewhat, but I'm just trying to say that when something looks strange or you get the sense that something's not right, your first instinct is usually the right one. Michael has been accused of this sort of thing before, and there are so many things that suggest that he is a pedophile it should be pretty obvious. I do think, however, that the parents of this child were out for money, regardless of what they say. We'll find out when they go to civil court next for a law suit.

 

No.

If MJ wasn't an ex-celebrity with lots of money to create his weird lifestyle, this would have merited a few lines on page 5, tops, except possibly for the city he lived in.

This isn't news folks, it's purient infotainment, presented to titilate and boost the ratings and advertising sales of the various "news" outlets. Fit fare for Access Hollywood, maybe, but it ain't news. How many kids are molested every day? How many people arrested? How many of those make headlines even once, much less for months?

 

When does the Michael Jackson movie come out?

 

i care about this because i believe any child around Michael Jackson is an innocent bystander... yes their parents might be to blame for letting their children even in the same room as that weirdo but the children don't know any better, and they are the ones who stand to get hurt and traumatized by whatever he might expose them to....

 

Micheal Jackson will forever be the butt of all jokes concering child molestation, bad music, and overall weridness. I think this is punishment enough.

But on a more serious note, I agree with Major Attitude. Almost everybody in my damn town is POSITIVE that Micheal Jackson is a child molester, but if you ask them for any evidence they'll say things like "Well he's just such a weirdo!" or "He looks like he's dead!". Personal opinions get in the way, and in this case I respect the jurors for returning the verdict despite huge public pressure against them.

 

MA, my kind of Major Attitude

Come on people, even the Senate finds Lynching a tad lacking on the procedural side.

 

Exactly.

I'm kind relieved that this verdict came threw to be honest with yas. I was really beginning to think that nobody had a chance for a fair trial anymore in this country. Is he guilty? Dont know, I feel for the kids involved in all this, but I really don't care. All I know is that our justice system has finally done it's job. No evidence.....no conviction.

 

Right...so where did all the money go? Swiss Bank account? No way...California piggy bank...

 

i agree with you MA but unfotunately there are many irresponsible parents in this world and as you all know, it's easy to bring a child into this world...

i would be that responsible parent who knows everything about their son or daughter and teaches them the important lessons they need to know about life, but how many other parents out there aren't doing this... so you really can't hold the child responsible for the parent's ignorance/neglect...

hell working security at Target i saw a woman with 5 children with her (four of them under the age of 5), and they were openely stealing petty items off the sales floor infront of the mother... what kind of morals would those children grow up with, and to what degree do you hold them responsible when they get older based on the type of rearing they received from their criminal mother??? (the mother tried to get her 11 year old son to push 2 shopping carts filled with $1100 of merchandise out of the store without paying for it)... makes me sick to my stomach...

 

Poor parenting is a major topic for another thread, and is a tough one. What's better, the crummy parents, or the all-too-frequently crummy foster care system?

As far as MJ, there are two concerns.

Did the prosecution prove their case? Aparrently not, in which case the proper verdict is not guilty (which is NOT the same thing as declaring him innocent). There have been some horrible injustices come out of the legal system when child molesting was the issue, with some innocent people's lives just DESTROYED by the concept that where kids are concerned, innocent until PROVEN guilty could be ignored. There are very good reasons for being cautious.

Does that mean MJ is safe to use as a babysitter for your kids? HELL no. His behavior should send up red flags to all parents concerned.

BUT. "All parents" don't need to worry about MJ. For the average person, the threat to YOUR kid will be a relative, a friend, someone from church, from school, or a neighbor. And he won't look like a 2-week dead corpse with an amusement park in his back yard, he'll likely look just like everybody else around you. MJ is very atypical, and focusing on HIM blurs the fact that YOUR danger is an average looking guy that you likely rub elbows with routinely. There is nothing about the MJ case that improves our awareness of the dangers of child molesters, it just confuses the real dangers.

So what makes more sense, to fret and fume about MJ, who lives in virtually a different world that you do NOT interact with in any way, or pay attention to your OWN kids, and make sure they they remain safe?

 

Cheers to that!

 

MA : "I didnt do it perfectly, he got away with a lot of stuff. We all did"

Maybe allowing your children the freedom to try new stuff is part of what being a good parent is all about

I have to agree with you fully about the trial. The jurors found the evidence wanting, and therefore couldn't convict him. The justice system worked, in this case

 

GT does it again!