Laptop Batteries

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by Earthling, Dec 27, 2021.

  1. Earthling

    Earthling Interplanetary Geek

    Just retired a couple of 9 year old Thinkpad laptops but want to keep at least one in a working state as can be very helpful if current system goes down for any reason. Batteries in both still perfectly usable at present but what's the best regime to keep them that way, permanently plugged in or just allowed to fully discharge?
     
  2. Digerati

    Digerati Major Geek Extraordinaire

    Neither.

    If those were the only two options, it would be better to leave them plugged in. This is because the intelligence in the battery itself, and the laptop's charging circuits ensure the batteries can never be overcharged - a very good thing. But of course, that assumes those overcharge protection circuits are, and remain working perfectly. Not sure that is safe to assume with any 9+ year old electronics.

    It is never good to put a fully discharged battery into long term storage. This is because the internal chemical processes that product the electricity is still going on, though at a much slower rate. Still, the batteries will continue to slowly discharge, even sitting on the shelf. At some point, they will discharge to the point of no return. Not good.

    So typically, the best solution is to charge the battery to around 75% charge, then put it in storage, in a cool dry place. Then every so often (I would start with every 6 months), fire the laptops up, update them to make them current - especially for security, recharge back up to 75% and put them back in storage.

    That said, expect, one day, it will not come back to life. So don't keep any data on them you don't have backed up somewhere else.
     
  3. Earthling

    Earthling Interplanetary Geek

    Will do, thanks. :)
     
  4. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

  5. Earthling

    Earthling Interplanetary Geek

    Thanks plodr, you are leading me into a field I really know next to nothing about. Anyway I've been looking into the current state of one of the laptops, which has been left with its battery connected but unpluggged from the mains for about a month now. From plodr's post I was intending removing it and putting it into storage at about 40%, probably in about an hour. Any further advice or observations?

    CPUID HWMonitor.png

    The column headings btw are Current, Min and Max
     
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2021
  6. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    There is so much conflicting info. Probably because a) nothing is ever removed from the internet whether it is good advice, bad advice or bogus "information" and b) battery composition has changed over the years. What worked for one type might not work for another type.

    I bit OT. I have 3 larger portable battery packs: 6000 mAh, 6500 mAh and 10,000 mAh. I have them to use for my phone to surf when we lose power. Christmas 2020 we were without power for 18 hours, then in Sept. 2021 we were without power for 47 hours. I try and keep them charged. The 10,000 mAh came with directions to use and deplete and re-charge about every 3 months. I did that in Nov and at that time, I also made sure the other 2 batteries were fully charged. I went to use one on my tablet the other night because I didn't want to sit close to an outlet and recharge the tablet. The 6500 battery was completely depleted! I grabbed the 6000 and it had over 75% remaining. So just based on that, one seems to hold the charge better than the other. They are both stored in a drawer in my computer room so the storage temp is the same for both. If I remember correctly the 6000 mAh is older than the 6500 mAh so I'd expect it to not hold a charge as well as the newer battery. (Thinking out loud here - I wonder if battery programs can tell the wear level on portable battery packs?)

    Just try the 40/40 rule Earthling and see in about 3 or 4 months how the battery looks. You should be able to tell if that is a good or bad method for the battery.
     
  7. Earthling

    Earthling Interplanetary Geek

    Maybe I'm not understanding this fully plodr. The first 40 is the state of charge, no problem, but as I read it the second 40 is 40 degrees F and the only place I have for that would be on the top shelf of a fridge. Is that right or my misunderstanding?

    Anyway, both batteries are now around 40% SoC and put away in a cool room, currently about 18C. I'll take another look at them in about 3-4 months time and update here.
     
  8. Replicator

    Replicator MajorGeek

    I think she means not discharging below 40% of battery power......and not recharging above 40
     
  9. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    40° F is an example. People rarely have storage that cold. As long as it is not stored in a very warm place, you should be okay. Cool and dry. I think 70° F is fine.

    I'll see if I can find Fred Langa's article and post a link.
     
  10. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    I found an article originally from 2015 and republished in 2019 but it mainly deals with phone batteries.
    https://langa.com/index.php/2019/04/08/how-to-make-lithium-ion-batteries-last-for-years/

    I suspect storing the battery at around 68³/20° works well.

    He also includes 15 links at the end of the article.

    Perhaps I should change my mindset to 40/20 rule. 40%power stored at 20°C.
     
  11. Earthling

    Earthling Interplanetary Geek

    Thanks for the clarification plodr. Looks like they should be ok where they are now but I will update in April. The results might throw a little light in a rather dark corner :)
     
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  12. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    I'll be waiting for your conclusions. It's always good to hear of first hand experience.
     
  13. Earthling

    Earthling Interplanetary Geek

    So here we are about four months later with just about enough juice to start the old laptop from battery but needing to recharge it to do anything at all. Clearly the four month rest hasn't been helpful, with the battery capacity substantially reduced and the wear level significantly increased. Don't have any comparisons but can't avoid feeling that it would have been far better to just leave it connected but unused rather than removing the battery and keeping it at room temperature but your comments would be appreciated.

    I used CPUID HWMonitor for the tests

    Battery1.png Battery2.PNG
     
  14. Replicator

    Replicator MajorGeek

    Yeh, my 8 yo Toshiba Sat lappy (dual core, 4G ram) has been a workhorse.
    Battery good for a boot but not much longer.

    She will go out to pasture soon so not worth replacing battery.
     

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