Liquid Cooling Good Idea?

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by Marti82, Mar 25, 2022.

  1. Marti82

    Marti82 Corporal

    I have tried the search function, but didn't find what I was seeking.. Apologies if I missed anything that does answer my question

    A friend and I have been talking about keeping the rig cool. Aside of buying a new GPU, I also installed a set of extra fans to keep it as cool as possible.
    However, with Spring now here and thus summer coming slowly, I am worried about the heat: My apartment will be the same temperature as it is outside.. It's poorly insulated, and airconditioning is not an option here, sadly.

    So, one thing lead to another, and he suggested possibly looking for a liquid cooled rig.
    Would that be a better option to keep the rig cool(er) in the hot weeks?

    The only extra option I have for cooling, are simple fans... so that's not much except moving around the hot air through the hot air :/

    Thank you, in advance :)
    Have a lovely weekend :D
     
  2. Digerati

    Digerati Major Geek Extraordinaire

    Unless you employ some "active" alternative cooling (like refrigeration) it is not likely a liquid cooling system will help much. This is because the liquid in the system can never get cooler than the ambient (room) air temp. Yes, liquid cooling moves the heat out faster and that can help keep it cooler longer. But once it heats up, there is little you can do.

    While ambient heat does play a big role in computer heat, what is still most important is to extract the heat out of the case. And sadly, you told us nothing about your case.

    But what you want is good, typically front to back "flow" of cool air through the case. So make sure your fans are oriented that way. Then a decent CPU cooler properly mounted and good cable management. Sitting the case on or near the floor is typically cooler than up high on a desk.

    One, often overlooked problem with water cooling is it often neglects the cooling requirements of other heat sensitive devices - like the chipset or VRMs surrounding the CPU socket. If you get a new graphics card, make sure it is double wide and preferably exhausts heat directly out and not back into the case interior.

    Also note that a graphics cards are often the most power hungry devices in our computers. So BEFORE installing a new card, make sure your power supply can support it. And if not, get a top quality supply. I like EVGA and Seasonic "Gold".

    Running at the default clocks can help. And avoiding playing during the hottest part of the day may help too.
     
  3. Marti82

    Marti82 Corporal

    Good point, my apologies.
    I have a Sharkoon, 1 front fan and one rear (standard, it now has extra fans installed by myself).

    Setting it on the floor isn't an option, unless I put it in a bench so it's safe fro my little bunny boy;) He likes the spicy hay :rolleyes: Currently the rig stands about 90cm off of the floor.

    Upgrading the case for additional cooling fans sounds like a better option instead of liquid then. With suitable psu of course, excellent suggestions - for which I thank you:)

    In general I play in the evenings and nights, sometimes past sunrise :oops:
     
  4. Digerati

    Digerati Major Geek Extraordinaire

    Well, as can be seen here, Sharkoon makes dozens of cases, so simply saying you have Sharkoon tells us nothing.

    Extra fans can certainly help, as along as they all work toward moving the air in the same direction (typically front to back). The next step is to ensure you have a decent CPU cooler that can toss the CPUs heat into that air flow so it can be exhausted out.

    As far as tiny, inquisitive fingers, mine are all grown up now - and the next gen versions get handed back at the end of the day! ;)

    Do you monitor your temps in real time? If you don't, you should. I use and recommend Core Temp to monitor CPU temps in real time. Under Options > Settings > Notification Area, I have mine set to display "Highest temperature" only.
     
  5. Marti82

    Marti82 Corporal

    I will have to see if I can find out which case it is, I have the receipt somewhere.. I hope.. currently not at home, but at my dad's ;)

    I replaced the old fan in the back, and added one in the top of the rig.

    I use Afterburner to monitor temps, works better than Speedfan.

    It's not fingers that I worry about, but tiny teeth and long ears
     

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  6. Marti82

    Marti82 Corporal

  7. Digerati

    Digerati Major Geek Extraordinaire

    My bad. You did say bunny. I didn't realize you meant literally. ;)
    Okay. So what are your temps? If hot now, then likely a bigger problem when the weather turns.
     
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  8. Marti82

    Marti82 Corporal

    Hahaha, no worries - he is full of mischief, must be due to his birth date (April 1st, no joke) :D

    Hottest I saw so far, from the GPU reading, was 39°C whilst in-game and running a game in idle on the background In comparison with the RX I had.. this one is cold (RX reached 70°+).
    CPU I don't know, that I don't remember from the top of my head.
     
  9. Digerati

    Digerati Major Geek Extraordinaire

    That's almost "cold"! GPUs tend to run hotter than CPUs. So if your GPU was 39°C, it is likely your CPU was less than that.

    I still recommend Core Temp to keep watch of your CPU temps.
     
  10. Marti82

    Marti82 Corporal

    Today I learned I need glasses xD It's 48, not 40. Still, much cooler than before.
    CPU is about 48 during gaming. so that fan might be worth upgrading / replacing eventually

    I'll get Core Temp, and have that run as 2nd viewer, perhaps there are differences (hopefully not). Worth a shot - thank you :)
     
  11. Digerati

    Digerati Major Geek Extraordinaire

    48°C during gaming is nice and cool. No concern there.
    There likely will be minor differences due to sampling times and rates. This is because a CPU's temp constantly fluctuates, depending on the load at that instant. Also a CPU can go from cool to overheated in just a few clock cycles, and then drop back down almost as quickly.

    The Ryzen 5 2600, for example, runs at 3.4 billion cycles every second.

    Core Temp samples by default once every 1000ms (1 sec). Other programs may have a different sample rate and most likely none will take its first sample at the exact same point in time due to differences in program initialization during boot.

    Anyway, expect minor differences.
     

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