motel

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by peterr, May 19, 2010.

  1. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    I have a laptop with no air card and a note book with it. I also have router.
    When I am at a motel or similar place, how do I "get inernet access" for each of these different scenarios if I want to involve my router?
    I do not feel safe without it.
    Thank you
     
  2. brandypeppy

    brandypeppy MajorGeek

    For your laptop you will need a wireless PCI card or a USB receiver.

    For the notebook, you should be set.

    I'm not sure how you want to involve your router. :confused
     
  3. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    You can't bring your own router with you and expect to get internet access when traveling.
    A router plugs into a modem. You can not get to the modem used by a hotspot/hotel/motel to plug in your router.
    You simply supply a computer that has wireless access (inbuilt or using a USB wifi dongle), fire up the wireless connection software on the notebook/netbook, select the proper hotspot from the list of all wireless signals the software finds and use the login supplied.
    I just did this the past weekend while traveling and staying at a hotel.
     
  4. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    Hello
    So once I open the wireless software, choose the hotspot or conection I want, I enter the information the hotel has given me.
    What about cafes where they do not provide information - do you just see them in your wireless software and click conect. Then depend upon the security in your pc to protect you ?
     
  5. brandypeppy

    brandypeppy MajorGeek

    Yes, in unsecured WIFI areas, you want to be careful. I wouldn't do any banking for instance.
     
  6. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    I appreciate the help.
     
  7. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    Yes. I regularly use a wireless hotspot at a grocery store called Giant. Giant will show up in my choice of wireless hotspots. When you click connect, the home page of the connection shows up. In my case, a grocery store page. You normally also have a EULA pop up. This warns you the the "company" will not be liable for any problems on your computer as a result of using their connection. It also outlines that sites on the web might not be suitable for everyone, etc. You will have to click on the I Agree button before you can start to surf. After you do this, you can bring up your preferred home page and any other sites that you normally visit.
    Absolutely. I also always clear my browser cache and wipe all my passwords before I travel, just in case my computer goes missing.

    As brandypeppy said, do not do banking at any hotspot. Routinely, I even refuse to go to my bank site at home unless I am on a wired computer.
     
  8. collinsl

    collinsl MajorGeek

    Well WIFI is inherently insecure due to the fact that anyone in range can pick up everything that is being "said" on that router/access point. Encryption on WIFI these days is no barrier as I believe WPA2 can now be hacked in under 2 minutes. Also, it is incredibly easy for the WIFI owners or a hacker, to have set up a monitoring system to see where you have been, what you have typed (usernames, passwords etc). Therefore the security of WIFI will not be affected at all by what you have on your computer. Your computer could be like Fort Knox, but as soon as the traffic leaves your computer, it is visible to anyone with a security hacking program, if there is any security in the first place.
     
  9. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    Do you think Noton's Security Suite or McAfee's Security Center is effective against such problems?
    Or are you saying that wired pc use is the more secure way to go?
     
  10. collinsl

    collinsl MajorGeek

    Wired is really more secure, but for normal browsing wireless is fine. Just don't do any secure browsing like bank/paypal stuff, as brandypeppy and plodr have said.

    Norton/mcafee cannot prevent snooping of the wireless channel, as I said before, you computer can be like fort Knox, but as soon as the traffic leaves the computer, it is basically standing in the middle of the street with a big sign saying look at me!
     
  11. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    I wonder if unchecking, 'enable wirelss router radio', on the desktop, which transmits to the laptop, would make the desktop secure enough to do banking?
     
  12. collinsl

    collinsl MajorGeek

    No, because as I keep saying, as soon as the information is passed onto the motel wireless, whether from the laptop or the desktop, or any other source, it is rendered insecure.
     
  13. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    I am at my house and using my desktop. I have a card in my laptop so my wife can use it upstairs. The router allows the laptop to go online via the card.
    I figure if I uncheck "enable wireless router radio" the router will act only as a firewall.
    Now if I disable the feature "enable wireless router radio" I wrote to you about on my router, will my HOME pc be more secure to do banking than if I did not disable this broadcating feature, or does it make no difference?
     
  14. collinsl

    collinsl MajorGeek

    The traffic from the desktop, when connected via a network cable to the router, will only pass onto the wireless if it is destined for the laptop. Therefore it is a cable-only route to the internet so it will not be passed onto the wireless.
     
  15. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    Disabling broadcasting the SSID actually makes your wireless more insecure. I just read this in the last week or two and it really surprised me.
    I'll see if I can find the source because it was from a respected newsletter/person otherwise I would not have noted it.
     
  16. collinsl

    collinsl MajorGeek

    This is totally true as if SSID broadcast is enabled the wireless client (WC) attempting to connect to the wireless access point (WAP) will receive the SSID. If SSID broadcast is disabled, the WC will poll any WAP it tries to connect to, thereby revealing the network to everyone anywhere you attempt to connect to.

    Basic conversation between the WC and the non-broadcasting WAP:

    WC: Are you <SSID1>?
    WAP: Yes, I am <SSID1>.

    Basic conversation between WC with a stored non-broadcasting network and any other WAP anywhere else:

    WC: Are you <SSID1>?
    WAP: No, I am <SSID2>.

    A set time later:
    WC: Is <SSID1> around here anywhere?

    This reveals the SSID of the non-broadcasting network to anyone anywhere the WC with it stored is trying to connect.

    Basic conversation between WC with no stored non-broadcasting SSID and any WAP, including home WAP that was previously non-broadcasting but now broadcasts:

    WAP: I am <SSID3>
    WC: Can I connect with this info: <connection parameters>?
    WAP: Connection accepted.

    In this case the WC never has to ask "Are you <SSID1>?" as the WAP has already told it.

    Oh, and one source of this is Microsoft TechNet: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb726942.aspx#EDAA
     
    Last edited: May 24, 2010
  17. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    Hello again
    You have spent a lot of time and ink with this non tech and both are appreciated.
    As I understand it, I should enable the SSID. I could not see my ssid when trying to change my passphrase but saw 100% listed in the choices so luckily concluded it was me.
    Also, I think I understand I am only 'wireless' between my pc and laptop as the cable connects the pc to the router and the router broadcasts to the laptop. I therefore, do not uncheck 'enable wireless router radio'.
    These notes are invaluable for a non tech so they go in appropriate folders for future refence. It ws difficult resetting my password, passphrase etc but I think they necessarily should be changed periodically.
    Thank you for your help.
     

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