My system outdated

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by wombie, Feb 9, 2010.

  1. wombie

    wombie Private E-2

    I'm not sure where to post this question so I'll start here.
    I have VIA Technologies, Inc. Model VT8367-8233
    BIOS Version Award Software International, Inc. 6.00 PG
    AMD Duron Processor x86 Family 6 Model 7 Stepping 1
    Speed 1200 MHz
    RAM 128 MB
    Local Disk 28.63GB

    Am I WAY behind the times here?
     
  2. silas

    silas MajorGeek

    Re: My system outdated?

    Hello and welcome. Personally Id say it wouldn't be the best computer for me. Why do you ask? Are you looking for a new computer? What do you do with you with your current computer? Just browse and read emails, play high speed games. Computer running slow?
     
  3. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi

    Moved to hardware forum, I would agree with Silas above and do answer his questions as it does depend on what you use your PC for and does it not now run new applications well?

    What Windows version are you using? as just could be the case of adding more RAM, 512-1gb is likely ample, but depends on you answering the earlier questions
     
  4. Noone

    Noone Private E-2

    Personally I wouldn't run anything over windows 95 on that box. 128 MB ram? really?

    you know, I regularly throw out 512mb sticks.
     
  5. David_F

    David_F Private E-2

    Oh look, I just saw a turtle go past your RAM..

    In all honesty, you are way behind, I would suggest upgrading...
     
  6. bigfurrykid

    bigfurrykid Sergeant

    That question would be better answered by another question. What do need your computer to do?

    I still have an old HP Vectra that runs Windows 98 that is only used for checking emails and occasionally surfing the web. Extremely slow system.

    I also have a dual core with 4gb ram and twin Dvd burners that handles everything from daily use to backing up my Dvds to gaming.

    I can't afford to keep up with the times, because by the time I get a new computer home, it's already outdated. :-D

    Again, it's about your needs.
     
  7. brandypeppy

    brandypeppy MajorGeek

    i've got one machine kind of like that, 128MB of ram. It's has W98, and I use it occasionaly for email checking, visiting this forum.
    Don't expect much more from it however, and 98 isn't the most stable system out there.
    I did put startup standalone;
    http://majorgeeks.com/downloadget.php?id=4359&file=15&evp=9b9ae16f863c6455cb0822bf677d77dc
    in it, unchecked all the applications under the HKLM tab, boots fully in about 45 seconds. Can also play a few games with it. Really just have it as a novelty. Don't expect it to do much more. Don't even have an anti-vir on it. If it gets infected, I'll just reformat, I don't keep ANY date files that I want on it.
    All the best.:)
     
  8. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    It's old but can be used.
    I have a notebook, purchased in 2001 that runs slower at 1000MHz and has a smaller hard drive, 20GB that is still usable. It has windows 2000 on it. I made sure it has the max RAM, 1GB. I use it to watch DVDs in bed and I also burn CDs on it.
    I've decided to pull it off the internet because I no longer wish to keep updating all the security, windows and things like flash.

    First: what OS is currently on it?
    Second: put at least 1GB of RAM in it, if possible (some computers use RAM that the price is too prohibitive to consider buying more for something so old).
    Third: what do you intend to do with the computer? If nothing too intensive, it certainly might be practical once more RAM is added.
     
  9. wombie

    wombie Private E-2

    Thanks for your replies. I surf the web, email, research, don't play games or download much. My computer IS slow. I've followed the clean-up process suggested here, it helped some. I have att dsl pro elite (just upgraded from pro). The thing I'm most interested in is having the windows pop up with just a few seconds wait time. The New York Times crossword seems to take forever to load. Also, when I close one tab or open another tab is also seems to take a long time.
    Thanks for your help

    OS is XP Professional Version 5.1.2600
     
  10. sach2

    sach2 Major Geek Extraordinaire

    Looks like you don't have near enough RAM to run XP Pro.

    I think XP bare minimum is 256mb but even that was proven to be too little to be comfortable. You really want to have 1gb to leave some free memory available but can squeak through with 512mb if that is all your motherboard will accept.

    I'd suggest going to crucial.com and run their scanner tool to see how much memory your motherboard can accept. Then post a link to the crucial page with your memory options so that someone can advise you further.

    ***
    Just for reference my Firefox browser is using almost 110mb of memory right now. Which I think is fairly normal. That is almost your entire memory available. So, you can see why your browsing may be slow even though you have broadband--your browser is waiting for memory and having to work out of virtual memory which is much slower than RAM.
     
    Last edited: Feb 11, 2010
  11. wombie

    wombie Private E-2

    This is what crucial.com came up with. I don't have clue what any of it means....Thanks

    Maximum Memory Capacity: 1048576 MB
    Currently Installed Memory: 128 MB
    Available Memory Slots: 3
    Total Memory Slots: 4
    Dual Channel Support: N.A.
    CPU Manufacturer: AuthenticAMD
    CPU Family: AMD Duron(tm) processor Model 7, Stepping 1
    CPU Speed: 1200 MHz
     
  12. collinsl

    collinsl MajorGeek

    According to this your system can accept 1024GB of RAM. This is WAY over what anyone at the moment needs.

    Is the computer a custom build or does it have a model name/number? If it has the number, please post it along with the manufacturer's name
     
  13. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    I think there is something wrong with the RAM info. (Perhaps someone typing the info in at the crucial site mistyped). Specifically, it makes more sense if the max is 1048576 KB particularly for a computer operating at 1200MHz. That computer would be from sometime in the early 90's and would translate to the maximum of 1GB. My computers from that era have a 1GB max for RAM.
    Since you already have 256MB and have 3 empty slots, you might be able to pick up three-256MB sticks from someone junking a computer.

    What other specs are on the RAM? things like SODIMM or DDR and speed? It is non-ECC.
     
  14. wombie

    wombie Private E-2

    VIA Technologies
    System Model: VT8367-8233
    BIOS Version Award Software International, Inc. 6.00 PG
    Speed 1200MHz

    Someone built this for me. I let them decide what I needed at the time.

    When I look at my "local disk" under properties it shows my capacity is 30,746,062,848 Bytes or 28.6GB. Used: 14.7GB Free:13.8GB

    Under "system information" its shows:
    Physical Memory 128MB
    Available Physical Memory 34.28MB
    Total Virtual Memory 2.00GB
    Available Virtual Memory 1.95GB

    SODIMM & DDR - I didn't know where to find this information.
    Also, I THINK I know what a "stick" is (memory device you plug into a slot in the back of the computer? Don't Laugh....), but I'm not sure.
     
  15. sach2

    sach2 Major Geek Extraordinaire

    When you run the crucial test it opens a page in your browser. Can you copy the link from the address bar and paste it here in a post? It would be easier for us to see your options.
    If not what type of RAM did they recommend you buy? ie. 184 pin DDR PC(3200) this type of info tells us what we need to know.

    Pic of RAM stick/module
     
  16. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    Sorry, stick can refer to several things. You are correct when you suggest that it can be plugged into a USB port somewhere on the computer (think very tiny external hard drive). Stick also refers to a RAM module that sach2 posted a link to. A RAM "stick" gets placed inside the computer in a "trough" called a slot.

    It might be a bit harder trying to figure out the exact RAM since it is not an off the shelf computer but we'll figure it out one way or the other.

    Searching for the chipset info you gave VT8367-8233 and RAM, leads me here: http://www.memory-up.com/memory/VIAChipset14458.html
    so it looks like the computer uses PC2700 @333MHz

    I'm going to ask Mimsy to look in at this thread. She is the expert on memory and can probably say if what I found is correct and what other substitutions will also work.
     
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2010
  17. wombie

    wombie Private E-2

  18. Noone

    Noone Private E-2

    Since we're all correcting stuff here, 1.2ghz wouldn't be in the early 90s. In fact, Intel was the first to break the 1ghz boundary, in the release of it's Pentium III 1ghz cpu on March 8, 2000.
     
  19. Noone

    Noone Private E-2

    According to http://www.memory-up.com/memory/VIAChipset14458.html your chipset will support up to 1GB DDR modules, the 1GB limit may have been because the biggest stick at the time of your board manufacture was 256mb. Do you know what mainboard you have? Is it an Epox?

    When you shop for ram, just be sure to get sticks made with x8 chip infrastructure, like 64Mx8 1gb or 32Mx8 512mb sticks. That way you dont run into any density issues.
     
  20. Mimsy

    Mimsy Superior Imperial Queen of the MG Games Forum

    Ah, such sweet things you say... :p You don't really need me here though.

    wombie, you've got three slots, a max of 1GB per slot, and if you want to keep running Windows XP you a should install at least an additional gigabyte. In fact, I would never, ever suggest to someone to try and run XP on less than 1GB. 1GB is eight times what you have right now!

    If you want to buy from Crucial (since you ran their scanner), these parts will fit your mother board and should work just fine. Oh, and your board can't run dual channel, so you won't get any extra benefit from buying a kit versus buying a single module. Go with whatever is cheaper, in other words.

    So basically, just do what everyone else in this thread already suggested. :)
     
  21. sach2

    sach2 Major Geek Extraordinaire

    Hi Mimsy, take a look at wombie's crucial analysis. It detects 4 slots.

    I also looked around for this board info and came up with the Epox links but they all state a 3 slot board--doesn't match the information crucial is getting from BIOS. :confused

    Just for my info is it generally the case that a board from early 2000/2002 can read 1GB modules of DDR automatically even when at the time 256mb was the standard and assuming no upgrade to BIOS?
     
  22. wombie

    wombie Private E-2

  23. demon_man

    demon_man Private E-2

    I would hazzard at a guess with you system being that old your motherboard wouldnt accept just a 1gig stick of ram like the guys said, try for 4 sticks of 256mb, i have an old system in the spare room hanging about and it can accept 2gig but has 4 slots and cant put than 512mb in each slot so maybe the case with your motherboard, try for ebay also use cpu-z or everest and people can tell you what exacts RAM to purchase, sdram or ddr.

    http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php
     
  24. Mimsy

    Mimsy Superior Imperial Queen of the MG Games Forum

    I noticed that... but all information I could find everywhere else said three slots, so since the Crucial scan was wrong on a few other things as well I went with the majority that said only three slots. I've seen enough early DDR motherboards with three slots to not be surprised at the number, only irritated that someone would build them that way. ;)

    Er, that's a coin-flip either way really, from what I've seen. It depends on the chipset on the motherboard. Keep in mind though that I tend to get a bit of a skewed sample size, since I only hear about the ones that have problems... Usually my suggestion it to try just putting the memory in and if that works, be happy and leave it alone. If it refuses to work, then do BOIS updates and see if they help. If they don't, then you are going to have to start looking at creative solutions.

    wombie:
    The part you found should work just fine in your motherboard. Crucial lets you send things back for refund if they don't work, so if it doesn't, you won't be stuck with an ugly new paperweight.
     
  25. Noone

    Noone Private E-2

    I can get used tested ram fairly cheaply. DDR low density modules run me $20 for 1gb, $10 for 512mb, $5 for 256mb. If you want to paypal me I'll ship you some. This is less expensive than you will find them for on ebay.
     

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