Need a temp solution to a problem - Network - 2 Switches and a router HELP!

So here's the deal. Thanks to all for anybody that can help.

Basically is it possible to get access to the net through a router located behind a switch --- read further Thanks.

I'm temporarily living in a 3rd world country. Needless to say, internet access is terribly slow and difficult to obtain.

When I arrived, I noticed an internet cafe next to our office here that claimed to have the fastest connection in town. Just my luck right?

Well it's not a fiber connection but it's good enough to surf the web comfortably at 600kbps. After finding out that the fastest I could get personally from the local ISP was 256kbps for the same price I thought that I could simply pay the cafe a similar fee for a drop from their router and get the fastest connection.

I did just that and was connected just fine for about 6 months when the guy decided without warning or consulting with me that I was hogging too much of his connection. Now the connection was intermittent at best as is, because he turns it off at night and I have to ask If I can think of it to remember to leave the router plugged in at night.

Regardless, what he *HAD*, was a dedicated IP from his ISP at 600kbps hooked into a Netgear router, which was hooked to a switch that served all his computers, inlcuding mine which was depending on his desire, plugged into either the switch or the router. He himself has very little knowledge of networking and asked for assistance from the ISP tech to come help him out with "the problem" of me I guess.

What he did, was hook me into a separate (2nd) switch along with the main line from the ISP and talked to the ISP to give ME a separate IP thinking that I'm a retard and would not know the difference in speed.

He basically took what I pay him and bought a 2nd IP on a different subnet from the ISP a whopping 64kpbsX64 line which is barely faster than dial-up he used to use for his VOIP service.

Basically that bastard is charging me double what the ISP would now for a service that's 6 times slower than what I would get from the ISP directly.

NOW the setup looks like this:

We have the line from the ISP hooked into a switch

I am plugged into the switch

His router is plugged into the switch (which I have access to ("default pass") when I have my router get the IP automatically or by setting it to something internal.

His switch, is plugged into his router which serves his IP and all his computers.

My goal is to temporarily for at least a few days, gain access through his IP served by the router so that I can do some computing until I get my own line from the ISP. However my general understanding of networking is not quite enough to understand if this is even possible now.

He has turned DHCP off on the router, but I can easily turn that back on or set up an exception.

Here's a diagram of what I'm dealing with. P.S. I also have all his settings for his ISP as I can see and have access to his router.

Thanks a million for your time and suggestions.

Regards

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when you say your ISP is going into the switch, is that the modem? If so, this setup will not work unless you have two different modems with two different ip addresses feeding your two routers.

what you should be doing is have the modem feed into a single router. then hook up your switches if you want.

 

if you have control over how your network there is set up, it should be done like this if possible.

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I would have thought that the switch would still feed the full speed through.
But if he needs to call them for help, how much does he know himself?
(Would he notice if you made an "improvement" to his system if you caught him away?After all, he IS cheating you or I wouldn't even think like that.)

 

Thanks for the help guys, unfortunately that's not quite what's going on.

What he has done is requested a separate IP for me, now his router is no longer serving my requests and what's happening is a "Dumb" switch is there that simply spits me out to the ISP.

His main line (i'm assuming) looking at his setup is not a modem but an actual drop to another switch from the ISP.

I had it set up as stated above before he changed it.

Now i'm on an IP to the ISP through his switch and his router is on another IP on another subnet to the ISP through his switch.

However if I set my router to DHCP an IP from his router, I get one and can even access his router CP, but am unable to obtain Internet access.

 

Whats the IP address you get from his router?

 

If there are two separate drops then the switch that is common to you and his router is unnecessary AND it will not work unless it has some VLAN capability. Therefore your router and his router are separate and on their own networks as documented by the IP addresses you have supplied. I am surprised that you can access his router from the "public" side as he must have remote maintenance turned on. BUT you can clearly see from your diagram, excluding the common switch, that if you are not on the private side of his network, you are going in the wrong direction to access the Internet. Your machine would have to be on the "His computers" side of the router and have addresses that are compatible with that network to use his Internet access

 

@King Steve, The IP address the I get from his router when I set my router to "get IP automaticaly" via DHCP is anything in the 192.168.0.100 ranger between 100-199 as that is how his router is configured. I get a subnet of 255.255.255.0 same as his router.

HOWEVER! I don't get a proper gateway. My router reports a gateway of 192.168.0.1, but I know that to not be correct as his router is 192.168.0.101 not .1

HERE IS THE STRANGE THING!

If I configure my router using HIS router as the gateway (192.168.0.101), and a bogus IP in the proper range something like 192.168.0.150 on the 255.255.255.0 subnet, I get no access.

However, if I set my router as described above to get an IP automaticaly via DHCP, I get a gateway of 192.168.0.1 and a good IP in the 192.168.0.10X range. AND I GET NET ACCESS at 128kbps. and a faster latency. Not the 600 I was going for but.... However, when these settings are set, I can no longer access the IP configuration pages of either MY or HIS router intermittently and the connection is not always present. I can however ping both mine 192.168.1.1 and his at 192.168.0.101 routers with the above settings. (Speed for above tested via DSL reports) To access my configs, I have to reboot the router after which the connection is no longer functioning.

How am I getting the above to work? And WHY? How to I get the above to stick permanently.

GO figure? Now I have no clue! Funny thing is, I can sometimes see computers connected in his router, but can't ping them ever. I have however arbitrarily pinged all IPs in the 102-199 range and have gotten responses.:confused

 

Are you using your router as only a wireless access point? So are you connecting that switch to the WAN port on your router? is dhcp on on your router as well?

 

@KingSteve

Yes, I'm connecting the wire from his switch, to my routers WAN port. I also have DHCP enabled. Yes, I'm using my router just as an wireless access point.

 

If youre using it as a router and not only as an access point, then you wont use his gateway, youll use the gateway of your own router.

Kind of a weird way of setting your connection up...

 

OK. It appears that your router is connected to the private side (192.168.0.x) of his router, because when you set your routers WAN port to DHCP your router gets an address on the 192.168.0.x network. I would suspect that your WAN default gateway is 192.168.0.1 which it should be. Your network 192.168.1.x should have a default gateway of 192.168.1.1.

But what is truly stumping me is how you think you have this 202.166.211.x ISP address.

Something is not making sense here.......I believe you need to revisit your drawing and make sure it exactly matches your information.

 

I would like to thank all that tried to help. Though I was not able to actually find a full proof solution to the problem I was able to find a compromize.

By doing A LOT (waste of time) of network analysis and discovery I was able to find another router that was serving as a gateway for his (faster) pipe on his network.

After setting my router to his network, working through some temporary IP conflicts and setting up static routes etc, I was able to set up an IP for me (he had DHCP disabled) and have been surfing happily.

However it hasn't worked perfectly sometimes (maybe because of the settings and back and forth hops) the router would lock up fairly often requiring a reboot login/reboot to be issued through the cp for which I had to again change my settings log in, reboot and then change the settings again so that I would get to the WAN. He did have it hooked up a really strange way after the techs came. Routers, switches etc, all for a really simple setup. I don't get him. Maybe he was building a firewall out of network equipment I don't know.

Anyway I have since got my own connection and have been happy since and an happy to report am no longer paying for his services. I'm also happy to provide free wifi to my patrons at the travel office (with a sign) making him wonder if only he had been more reasonable.

Thanks for all your suggestions that helped me to a solution.

Best Regards:cool