need advice on overclocking a celeron 600

I have a trigem cognac motherboard, yeah my computer is that old and a celeron 600 cpu. I managed to o/c it to 650mhz using cpufsb as there is no other way to do it, do I need a better cooling fan for such a small increase. Anything over this and the sound starts to crackle, would a better sound card resolve this, for example sound blaster 5.1? I’ve read that some cognac boards will take celeron 1ghz or even PIII’s up to 1.1ghz. Apparently the fsb will automatically change from 66mhz to 100mhz upon installation, sounds far to good to be true. Although the manual says it’s limit is 256mb ram but I’ve read enough evidence to suggest that it’ll easily take 512mb. A couple of technical questions I’m clueless about, cognac or cognac+, PPGA or FC-PGA, what’s the difference? Anyway should I go and buy a better cpu, cooling system and ram just on the possibility this might work?

CPU: Intel Celeron (coppermine) 600mhz socket 370 PPGA
MOBO: Trigem cognac 66mhz fsb
Memory: 256mb sdram pc100
OS: Windows ME
Hard Drive: 15.2 gb

 

Feberj,

I have the same board in a HP Pavilion 6611 and am upgrading also.

I can't comment on sound crackling.

Based on my resaerch I would agree that the board can take 1Ghz etc processors, as long as the FSB used is supported by the board and it uses the same socket. I believe the Maximum Celeron is 1.4Ghz @ 100FSB or a Pentium III 1.1Ghz @ 100FSB. The board will speed up to match the processor (upto 100Mhz)

I have a copy of the mainboard doco and it states that the memory subsystem WILL support upto 512 MB. The catch is the the chips on the module must be no more than 16Mbits. ie 1 double sided Module of 128MB each side = 256MB. 8 chips*(16M*8bits) per side.

Cognac or Cognac+ depends on the chipset that is being used.

PPGA and FC-PGA...The same but different. Both have 370pins but the construction of the Processor is different. Something to do with the heat dissapation. FC stands for "Flip Chip". Basically it is inverted. I understand that the 2 sockets are not compatible. A PPGA chip must go into a PPGA socket. Intel has more info at there site.

CPU: Intel Celeron (coppermine) 533mhz socket 370 PPGA
MOBO: Trigem cognac+ 66/100mhz fsb
Memory: 64mb sdram pc100
OS: Windows 98 SE
Hard Drive: 10 gb

 

on the RAM question, ive found the best results OCing my celeron if I timed the RAMs memory to the host clock(FSB), read speed is alot better but at the price of write speed, but I have not been able to clock my FSB up to 133MHz yet(and my RAM by default), also directX9 seems to like this while directX8 does not

and if you are using a celeron rated HSF i would definitely suggest upgrading that, even though celerons don't get very hot, as well as make sure you have some good temperture sensors

the best advice is to read ALOT about it because as you probably know you can fry your board doing so ... i like the following article: (he's against ocing but it is still a good read)

http://www.pcguide.com/opt/oc/

 

i got 256mb ram pc133 along with a 128mb pc100 and it works fine, guess the 133 is running at 100, so yeah it deos take 512mb. Anyway got a new 1.1 ghz 100fsb to replace my old 600 66fsb celeron, popped it in got nothing, got a lin-lin adapter from e-bay, supposably allows ppga socket 370 to accept celeron tualatins, still nothing, anyone know anything about these adapters, considering getting a new new mobo to replace this piece of junk.

 

Feberj,

What is the chipset used on your board?

Also what is the sSpec number of the processor?

I know that there is an issue with the adaptors..I think PPGA -> FC-PGA and FC-PGA -> FC-PGA2 but not PPGA -> FC-PGA2.

 

Oh! I forgot, What is your Bios Version? What machine is this M/B in? a HP?

 

Captain Starlight,

Its an 810 chipset. sSpec is SL5ZE. On the intel website it lists both my old and new cpu's as PPGA but they look completlely different, the new one has a large core. The 600 sSpec is SL46U, on Sandra or any other applic I've used this is listed as a coppermine, doesn't that make it FCPGA. When I first installed the cpu I thought the problem might be the bios, e-machine's website don't have updates but as you say the h/p pavillions have the same mobo so I got one from there, now have an h/p splash on start-up but at least it's the latest. As an experiment I tried the 600 in the converter which didn't work also.

 

It's an e-machine 600 dvd, bios version 3.07

 

coppermine based boards are not compatible with tualatin based celerons


you may want to buy one of these:
http://www.bytewizecomputers.com/products/7/9/104/252


im not sure of the reputation of that eseller so shop around

 

Feberj,

Check this site out
http://www.donovansmith.us/node/view/2 some people have reported successfully using tualatin based processors.
The HP v3 Bios apparently gives Tualatin support to the Board.

WE need to baseline what you have done so far and where you are at.

Some problems can also occur when mixing BIOSes. What did you have before.

Did you update the bios as well as the board drivers?. Also do you have the Cognac or Cognac Plus. The chipset is slightly different. Download the intel chipset identifier utility. There are about 3-4 different 810s . The 810, 810L, 810E and another. I have a manual for the board and also for the chipset if you need them.


The tualatin has a large core for better heat distribution. The chipset has support for .18 micron and .13 micron processors. The tualatin is a .13 micron processor.

Be sure to update the correct drivers. The other possibilities are the processor is faulty, the adaptor is faulty.

I'm reasonably sure that the Intel description of PPGA for the Tualatin Caeleron is accurate. Their are to many described like that to be in error. It is a relatively stable/mature processor also.

What is stamped on the socket? PPGA or FC-PPGA etc. The wiring is different.

 

Version 3.04 and up of the HP BIOS upgrade has support for the Tualatin based processors according to the release notes that are included in the fresnocognac_307.exe file available from HP.

 

Captain Starlight,

Just to add to my woes I installed windows 2000 professional over the weekend and it's so riddled with viruses/spyware that my comp is barely functioning at the moment. Coz i have an h/p bios now I can't use my e-machine restore cd so I'm stuck with it. Upgrading my pc is driving me nuts, I'm on the verge of throwing the whole thing out the window. Before I had a pheonix bios from mid 2000, I havn't upgraded the mobo drivers, where can I get them from? It's a standard 810 chipset which I think means it's a cognac and not a cognac+, think that has an 810E chipset. Managed to get a manual but thanks for the offer.

 

http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/download.asp?url=/7484/eng/infinst_enu.exe&ProductID=757

 

Captain Starlight,
If you mean updates for the 810 chipset, eg. accelerator or graphics controller then I have done them.

 

Okay,

I have done some further research and some info was based on floored information. Intel's sSpec on their site is not accurate. Bastards.


When I get home (I'm at a cafe) I'll post the updated info.

CS

 

Okay,

Sounds like all BIOS and chipset drivers are the latest. I don't think the HP Phoenix bios will be major problem... it's still phoenix and as long as you use the emachine drivers for monitor etc it should be okay, as the board id the same.

The HP Support site for the Pavilion 6611 uses the same board drivers and BIOS etc. The HP also uses a Phoenix bios.

Okay, let's establish if you have a COGNAC or a COGNAC+. The User's Manual for the "i810 Chipset MicroATX Form Factor Main Board" states that there are 4 chipsets. 810-L, 810, 810-dc100, 810-DC-133. You can download the chipid utility from intel to determine which one you have, or you can physically look at the board for the North-South Bridge chips.


Each N/S bridge has the following written on the chip, "GMCH0" for the north and ICH0 for the south for the 810-L, GMCH0 and ICH for 810, GMCH and ICH for the 810-dc100, and GMCH-E and ICH for the 810-DC-133.

The "Trigem Micro-ATX Motherboard(COGNAC) Hardware Document" describes the 2 main chipsets for the mother board as the 810DC-100 configuration or the 810L Configuration.

The 810DC100 has a bulleted point GMCH +ICH : FW82810DC100 +FW82801AA

 

Further to my last post...

in Bold type

The 810L has a bulleted point GMCH0 + ICH0 : FW8210 + FW82801AB

Then below that it "-> it's applied to COGNAC, COGNAC+"

I take that to mean the 810L is the COGNAC+. According to Murphy's Law, the manuals could be wrong.

Okay the next thing is the socket. Although Physically pinned the same the Tualatin (FC-PGA2) does not hve the same wiring as the PPGA nor as I understand it the FC-PGA sockets.

Many Adaptors I have looked at state that the adaptor will convert PPGA -> FC-PGA or FC-PGA -> FC-PGA2 but not PPGA -> FC-PGA2. Although our boards will handle FSB100 0.13 micron processors the socket will not.

The HP Manual for my machine says it will take a PIII 800, but doesn't mention an adaptor. I understand the cpu to be FC-PGA.

I have also sent the specs of the board to Powerleap. They have responded with a solution that they claim will convert the PPGA socket to take a 1.4Ghz FC-PGA2 Tulatin.

++++===== SOLUTION =====++++
1. Change your Tualatin FC-PGA2 1.1Ghz for a Coppermine FC-PGA 1.1 Ghz and use the converter you have if it is required.

2. Obtain the Powerleap adaptor for the Tualatin. I believe the adaptor is the PL-370/T Go here: http://www.powerleap.com/PL-370T.html.

 

Captain Starlight,
Thanks for all the advice, i'll go with the 1.1ghz coppermine and powerleap as you suggested, see how that goes. I was thinking about getting another mobo but after all the problems I've had that just seems like one more hassle. Again thanks for the help.

 

Feberj,

If you go the coppermine the adaptor you have should suffice, if it is PPGA to FC-PGA, It will save you having to shell out extra for another adaptor.

If you go the Powerleap it should allow you to go to the tualatin later on.

I'm happy to help, as I said I had the same plans to upgrade the M/B but didn't know it would definately be able to take 512Mb, buy doing that upgrade you have been able to help me.

I'll keep watching this post for a bit...let me know how you go with the Coppermine.

Captain Starlight
"Move over Biggles"

 

captain,

there's an AOPEN AX3S mobo on ebayuk for £12 ($20), soooooo tempting, it's one of the best 370 mobos out there, 133fsb, ultra ata/100, AGP port, stop drooling feberj, be strong. There was also a powerleap for £20 which I let go, dammit, too many options, must lie down. By the way, I'm planning to upgrade my hard drive, at the mo I've got a samsung 15gb 5400rpm, ata/66, even if i get an ata/100 or 133 this mobo will still run it at ata/66, no?

 

b.t.w managed to sort out windows 2000 pro and it's sooo much better than ME, my comp runs much quicker now, so at least one things gone right.

 

Well sounds like your options basically come done to cost and convenience.

A new M/B is an option, Does the memory suit? Does it fit the case?

The specs on the hard drives are for maximum throughput. Try and find the spec for the hard drive and it should also tell you the average (ie Normal).

I understand that the hard drives are backward compatible. Effectively that means that the through put retards itself back to what the board will support.

++ Caution ++
You also need to consider the BIOS...Will it support Higher capacity Drives? If not another option is to use a DDO or Drive Overlay Program.

I have seen reports of people sticking a 40GB without any major dramas in machines with our board.

Decide what you want to do or you will end up with U/G creep.
Assuming you to be budget concious I would suggest deciding whether it is cheaper/easier to obtain the powerleap adaptor, the coppermine CPU, or the M/B. Go with that and then sell what you don't use. Be aware of hidden cost of needing new memory and or case for the M/B.

Then look at the H/D.

 

Captain Starlight,

If you’re sill around, just wanted to give you an update on what I’m doing. Firstly I’ve got 512mb sdram PC133 running with no problems, remember it has to be double sided.
I bought a new sound card hoping this would allow me to overclock my 600 celeron to 800mhz or 900mhz, only allowed me to go from 650 to 670, whoopee! Think the problem might be that the sdram can only run at 112mhz max.
I read that some cognac boards can only handle Celeron 600mhz max let alone go up to 100fsb, so I thought I’d play it safe and go for the 766 celeron which is the highest that runs at 66fsb. The 766 was recognised by the bios, started up windows then restarted while loading up my firewall, uninstalled the firewall and tried again. This time it started up fine, even managed to complete a couple of bench tests on Sandra then it restarted again. Sometimes it will restart immediately after starting up windows, other times it will continue to run windows until you start up a program like windows media or something. Any ideas? I tried it with the lin-lin converter and got the same results, at least this proves that the lin-lin is working. The sSpec code for the 766 is SL4QF, it’s a PPGA same as the 600. Would clearing the cmos do any good? It really pi**es me off reading about people sticking Celeron 1000 and 1100’s in this board and havin no problems at all, that’s two cpu’s I’ve bought and a converter and still jack s**t.

 

Sorry to hear you still have problems.

My COGNAC has the capacity to run at either 66fsb or 100fsb. The manual states that it should automatically pick up the appropriate speed from the CPU. Personally I think resetting the BIOS is better as it forces the motherboard to do it.

Do you have the manual? Poping the battery for 5 minutes should clear the CMOS,alternetley J6 DIP switch on pin 2-3 will enable the clearing of the CMOS. 1-2 Disables.

Page 8 of the manual states "The motherboard supports processors that run internally at 300/333/366/400/433/466/500 Mhz" remember this manual was written in 1999.

I have recently installed PC100 RAM into my board. 2 sticks of 256 for a total of 512. The BIOS recognises the memory but my windows 98se becomes unstable and crashes or locks up. I know win98 has a limit of 512MB and I have set my vcache to 128000. Individually each module works okay. No stability problems.

I have tested the memory using memtest individually and together. The only errors that appear are when they are together.

Any ideas?

 

Just a thought,

Drop your memory back to 256 where it was known to be stable. Then try the 700 processor and see if you get the same problems.

If not I guess U and I are both experienceing the memory problem.

Did you upgrade and test the memory before the processor?

 

Apparently the sweet spot for windows 9X or ME is 128mb, any more than this and you may encounter problems. When I upgraded from 64mb to 192mb using ME the increase in performance was very noticeable, when I upped it to 384mb the performance increase was minimal if any so it may not be worth the hassle.
Other things you could try is to set minimum and maximum virtual memory to the same number, for example in your case 512mb, apparently this can make windows run more stable.
Newer operating systems like 2000 or XP are better at handling more ram.
More ram requires more power, maybe it’s putting a strain on your power supply unit, what kind of psu do you have?
Do both sticks have the same specs?

Regarding my new cpu, I’ve tried reseting the bios and also reduced ram to 128mb at one point with the same results. I tried overclocking again, this time I managed to get it to run stable at 742mhz for about half an hour, then guess what it restarted, just like with the new cpu. So maybe it’s a cooling problem, I’m gonna try another heatsink/fan. Other than that I’m completely baffled.
BTW I got a lot of error screens, blue screens and error checking while trying to run this new cpu, causing damage to the hard drive. I’m getting a lot more error messages now, I’m not too worried as I’m gonna re-install everything on a new hard drive, but it’s something to bare in mind.

 

The sticks are the same specs, from the same machine. The PSU is the original 250w (I think). I also have large number of blue screens and resets. Now the disk is heavily corrupted. I'm running scandisk to fix them and so far it is 49% after 5 hours.

My thought is that it is probably due to the limitations of the operating system. I will try another later on.

Did you have 512 MB running stable with Win 2000 and the old processor? If so, I'm guessing there must be something wrong with the processor (7?? Mhz 66 fsb) that you are seeking to install if it is now unstable. Particularly if you drop back to 128 on the new processor and it is unstable but the old pro at that much memory is stable.

Your old pro was 66 fsb yes?

 

Just for the record I’ve got a 400W power supply, I don’t know if that helps with the ram issue. 64mb of ram takes up 5 watts of your power supply, 512mb requires 40 watts.
I was running ME on 384mb ram with the 600 celeron with no probs, then upgraded to windows 2000 bumped up to 512mb again with no issues. Both the cpu’s I’ve bought are used so there is the possibility that they’re faulty. With cpu’s isn’t it a case of them working completely or not at all? I don’t know. The 600 is also 66fsb.
I got a new heatsink/fan today suitable for P3 or Celeron up to 1.4ghz still with the same results so it ain’t a cooling issue. I’ve just about given up on this.

 

Okay, the wattage maybe someting to look at. How do i measure the total that my components draw?

At 400w I think it would not be a problem for you.

Stable at 512 MB Win2000 600Mhz 66 fsb - >Unstable 512Mb Win2000 7?? 66fsb. Both PPGA.

Does your M/B support 100fsb? Did you work out if it was Cognac or Cognac+?

Referring to the manul again "Page 8 of the manual states "The motherboard supports processors that run internally at 300/333/366/400/433/466/500 Mhz" remember this manual was written in 1999. "

Is it possibly that the max speed of the processor must be multiple of the above? The HP doco for my machine refers to a PIII 800 Mhz / 100 fsb which would be 400 x 2. The 600 you originally had would be 300 x 2. Your 766/2 = 383. This would also be supported by the reviews I've read of peple putting in 1 Ghz CPU's ie 500 x 2 = 1000 Mhz.

Just a thought.

The Motherboard manufacture cannot be so unreliable that some of us can upgrade but the others not...

 

I reckon it’s a cognac mobo, the layout of the cognac + is different, only has 2 pci slots plus 1 amr slot whatever the hell that is. Not sure about the multiple idea, I’ve read about people installing 1100mhz and 850mhz as well but I suppose we should consider every possibility. Only other thing I can think of is that the voltage of the 766 is different to the 600, the mobo is supposed to adjust the level automatically but this board is supposed to do lots of things. I think the power supply would only be an issue if you are running a lot of peripherals or if only got a 180watt psu, if you’ve a 250w psu then it really should be enough. I’ll try and find the site that gave a breakdown of wattage use. I’m considering getting a 1000mhz Celeron just to satisfy my curiosity, if that doesn’t work then then I’ll just have to resign myself to 600mhz hell.

 

calculating wattage links;

http://www11.brinkster.com/bayup/doarticles.asp?a=27

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/power-supply3.htm

http://www.pcpowercooling.com/maxpc/index_cases.htm

 

The PSU is actually a 150Mhz. In a Micro-ATX CAse. I thought it had already been upgraded....

Well I'm up for a PSU. I tried the Mem in another machine and it was stable.

 

You’ll definelty need to get a new psu, that explains your mem probs. The new psu that I bought was twice as big as the previous one which was 230w. It was a nightmare fitting it in the case, had to bend all the metal fixings that were there to hold in the old psu, couldn’t actually screw it in place as the holes didn’t line up so had to press the back of the dvd rom as hard as I could against it and that’s what’s holding it in place, hope your casing isn’t as weird as mine. What are you planning to upgrade to?
Anyway good news, I gave in to temptation and bought a 1000mhz Celeron (sSpec SL5XQ), booted up, bios recognised it, held my breath as it started up windows but no probs, works like a charm. Overclocked to 112fsb, so now runs at 1.12ghz with no issues.
All that’s left now is the hard drive. BTW my board has the 810DC-100 configuration,, that makes it a cognac right? The manual says that this board supports ATA 66 yet my maximum hard drive transfer rate is only 23MBps. According to Sandra my current transfer mode is not optimal and that my controller is capable of higher transfer speeds, but I’ve got no idea how to change this.

 

I’ve figured out why my current transfer mode is so low, it’s because the cheap bastards at e-machine have only supplied me with a 40 pin hard drive cable, you need an 80 pin cable to run ATA/33/66 or higher.

 

I have a micro-ATX case. The biggest I can find for it is a 230W. I'll have to keep looking. But 230 should be enough...?

I think your M/b would be a cognac. But I couldn't be certain other than the manual says in my earlier post. Interesting thing is that although mine has the chipset that indicates it is a cognac+ the same manual states that it only supports 33 ATA. Weird. Manual could be wrong.

So you have a 1Ghz Celeron running Excellent!!!!! Did you use an adaptor? Which one?

Remember that the transfer rates indicated are only the peak achievable. ie ATA 66 does not always run at 66. Did you reset the BIOS? The cable will fix it

 

230w should be enough to sort out your mem probs, although maybe you should consider 250w just to be on the safe side.
I bought an 80 pin adapter which automatically enabled UDMA-4 (ATA/66) but the transfer rate is exactly same, kinda bizarre, hopefully a new hard drive will improve performance.
BTW I fitted the new cpu straight onto the mobo, no need for an adapter.

 

Is the socket on your board PPGA? or FC-PGA? They look the same but the PPGA ones have PPGA stamped in it. The others including those that do both I think are stamed just PGA.

 

It’s marked PGA, according to Sandra it’s an FC-PGA socket so I guess it’s both.
Installed a new hard drive, an IBM deskstar, 40gb, 7200rpm, 2mb buffer, ATA/100. The transfer rate has gone from 23MBps to 38MBps plus burst rate, seek time etc have all improved.

 

hmm

Although Mine is the COGNAC+ according to the book...Yours sounds better...more recent.

Maybe the cognac+ is an enhancement over an older board and then they improved it again and simply called it a COGNAC. An FC-PGA socket is for a coppermine proccesssor. yours is a coppermine and so did not need the adaptor.

My board definately has a PPGA Socket and will require an adaptor for a coppermine or tualatin. My ATA is limited to 33.

I think I've been jipped.


Captain

 

I think you’re rght, it doesn’t make sense that a newer version would downgrade the ATA to 33. Cognac mobo’s are dirt cheap and am guessing wouldn’t be a problem to install.
The only other possible upgrade I’ve got now is to try a PIII, the only difference I can see is that they have 256k l2 cache compared to the celeron’s 128k, don’t know if it would be worth the extra cost to be honest.

 

The Celeron D has a 256 k L2

 

I found this place searching for info on a Pavilion 6630e that I have. Just playing to see what is possible for this box. From reading this thread and Donovans thread it appears possible to put up to 1.2 Gig Celeron on this.

810L chipset
memcontroller 82810
I/O controller 82819AB (ICHO)
Graphics 82810
Processor Celeron 500 MHz FC-PGA Socket370
Trigem Congnac
Serial #5678HPPAV3
Model #03929400051234
BIOS ver. Fresno_307
I bought a 1.2 Celeron which is an FC-PGA II. Put it in and nothing. My question is Do I need an adaptor to make it FC-PGA II?

 

So I got a Lin-Lin adapter 370 CPU Celeron III
Still nothing no POST no beeps. I jumped the BIOS to clear and nothing. I removed the battery to reset BIOS still no boot When I put the old Processor back in it went to setup so I know the BIOS did reset.
I guess I will try a Powerleap Neo s370
If anyone else could help I would appreciate it.

 

Yeah, the lin-lin didn't work for me either. I also thought about the Powerleap option but decided to upgrade to a P4 system instead. Wasn't willing to spend money on something I wasn't sure would work.
I think the best option is to go for 1g pentium III or celeron coppermine, you'll easily be able to overclock it to 1.12g, so you'll have a board running at 112mhz which isn't too bad. You can put 512mb memory in this board, as long as it's double-sided, get pc133 as pc100 may not run at 112mhz. Also check the hard drive cable is 80-pin, PB might have supplied you with a 40 pin, you'll get better performance from your hard drive.
You may also have to upgrade your power supply unit if it's below 230w.
With the board maxed out it's okay, I even managed to play GTA III on it, pretty slow frame rate but playable.
If you have a cognac+ board then then forget all of the above and get a new board.

 

What BIOS version are you running?
Apparently at Version 3.04 dated 08/10/01 Tualatin CPU's are supported. I would assume if it says it supports it with that BIOS (3.07 is the latest) no adapter would be required. I have just ordered a 1000Mhz Tualatin Celeron for my sisters PC so i will let you know how i get on.

 

I was running version 3.07 which as you say provides support for tualatins but I’m guessing only if you have a proper adapter. Let me know how you get on though.

 

I'm back!!!!

Finally found a PSU that will fit the case of the HP Pavilion 6611. It is an A-Power 320 watt SFX form factor PSU. Happy with the noise. Has been running for about a month no problem.

I now have the full 512MB of memory.

In case anyone is wondering the SFX is the proper designation of what is often referred to as mATX or microATX.

Feberj, good to see you R still here.

 

Hey Captain, good to hear from you again

Anyway after spending all that time and effort upgrading the cognac I decided to build a P4 system. The cognac is a good board though, if it had an AGP slot I would’ve stuck with it.

Good to hear you’ve got the memory maxed out. I’m still curious as to whether the Powerleap would’ve worked. Have you managed to upgrade the proc?

 

I've had a bit of a look into upgrading the CPU in the cognac motherboard i have. Found that the board i have doesn't even support FC-PGA (PIII Coppermine) CPU's lead alone FC-PGA2's (Celeron/PIII Tualatin), I need an adpater in PPGA-> FC PGA configuration to run a PIII 700 and then obviously can't get a FC-PGA2 to work. Im sure some people got FC-PGA's to drop straight in their cognac with the same board markings as mine. I really dont like this board either. Trouble is getting another MB into the HP case is near impossible because of the power connector and RAM slots being at the top of most motherboards which gets in the way of the CD drive bay. Good luck to all.

 

Oz drummerboy sounds like I have the same board as you. Mine is also PPGA. I believe that there is some overlap with some of the copermine and the PPGA and FC-PGA sockets. Mostly the coppermine is FC-PGA.

I have spoken to PowerLeap about the processor problem. They have assured me (see earlier posts) that their adaptor will enable a PPGA to take Tualatin processors. That means a 1.4 Ghz.

Have you checked the HP site? I believe the biggest coppermine we may be able to get in is 1 Ghz. I need to find my notes.

AS for the BIOS upgrade....yes you need that too. The reason an adaptor is required is that the wiring on the chip is actually different between the PPGA, FC-PGA, and FC-PGA2 (Tualatin) even though the socket is still 370 pin.

Feberj,

I haven't put the tualatin in yet....budget problems....I'm studying, but as soon as I have the cash I shall try.