Need Help With Options On Building A New Desktop This Year...

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by Anon-469e6fb48c, Aug 8, 2018.

  1. Anon-469e6fb48c

    Anon-469e6fb48c Anonymized

    Ok i am looking this year to build a new desktop.Right now i have been running my HP laptop for the past year.

    My budget will be close to 2,000 dollars to spend.The last time i spent money building a desktop it was back in 1996 and the desktop finally fried it self finally this year.Long time working desktop.Back in xp days.

    I am looking mostly for a gaming rig.

    I am looking for speed and efficiency.I have been doing some research with intel and amd.Yes this old type of thing were intel is better then amd thing.I have ran amd models for many years.And probably only have had one or two intel setups.

    I all ready have a good computer case for this build.So no need for one.

    I plan on buying a couple of good 1 tb solid state drives for the speed.

    The three things now i am getting confused on is this.

    I don't understand much about the threaded cores.
    (What is the difference,Between single core and multi threaded cores).???
    (What is the difference,Between ryzen 5,7 and Intel I&7)
    I know there are some intel fan boys here.Any more info would be help full.

    Now i hear all this hype about the nvidia 1070 or what ever.
    (What purpose is having a higher memory size.)??? From what i understand from higher memory size.Most games that are out there currently only support around 2 to 4 gigs.Heck i can play GTA 5 on this current laptop with out issue and its the A10-8700P .And GTA 5 has very intense graphics.

    I could probably buy a good decent graphics card for under 400 dollars.

    Probably the most expensive part i will need to buy is the graphics card.Every thing else is probably dirt cheap now.Heck i can a solid state drive 250 gigs for around 80 dollars off of amazon.But i plan on getting bigger drivers to fit more stuff.1 tb most likely or more.

    What is the difference in motherboards now a days.Like i said it's been a very long time since i built a new desktop.The BIOS is completely different from what i am use to.A lot as changed since 1996.

    This will be my desktop case https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233
     
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2018
  2. Digerati

    Digerati Major Geek Extraordinaire

    Not sure your point about Intel and AMD but I will say this. If someone tells you Intel is better than AMD, or AMD is better than Intel, turn and walk away. It is like saying blue is better than yellow. The argument is only valid if you compare two specific models.
    Do you mean you have already purchased that Cooler Master HAF 912?SB 3.x? If not, then I recommend you don't. With that generous budget, you can do better. I note that does not support 140mm fans which can move a lot more air more quietly. The Fractal Design Define C does support 140mm fans. And having a windowed case makes regular inspections for dust build-up and fan operation without opening the case easy. That said, with that generous budget, I would definitely go for the Fractal Design Define R6. The R6 (likely my next case :)) comes with 3 x 140mm case fans. FD is my go-to case makers these days. I have used them in several personal and client builds, all with very happy results.

    Remember, a great case (along with a quality PSU) will form a solid foundation for a great computer that will carry you through years of evolving upgrades and new builds too. Plus, the conservative and smooth design does not go out of style and is easy to clean. That Cooler Master looks nice - now, but is a bit fadish. Fads fall out of fashion. Plus, all the facade features with those crooks and crannies will collect dust and be harder to keep looking clean.

    Only you can comment on the size drives you get, but I agree that SSD is the way to go. With that budget (and $2K is a big budget - did I mention I like Fractal Design cases! ;)) look at M.2/PCIe SSD drives.

    Remember, Bing Google are your friends.

    Multithreading is a technology that allows the processor to do more work in the same clock cycle. Not all programs (or games) take advantage of this. HOWEVER, Windows and other operating systems can and do use multithreading and that is a very good thing. When the OS can complete its tasks faster, that means resources can be freed up quicker for your other programs.

    AMD Ryzen 5 vs Ryzen 7

    Intel i5 vs i7

    There are tons of personal opinions about which is better. You really need to decide what you want, then go from there. If me, I would go Intel because I like blue better. And I would go i7 because with that budget, I could afford it.
    Huh? Where did you see that? It is not what the game supports, it is what the hardware can do for the game. Most modern games need at least 2GB of graphics RAM to achieve good "game play". If you have more, that does not mean it will not run. It typically means it will either run better, or show no added performance gains. Less than recommended does not automatically suggest it will not run at all - it just will not run optimally.

    Remember game developers understand most gamers don't have such nice budgets so they code their games to provide good game play (entertainment value) on lessor systems.
    Not sure what you are saying here. Do not confuse system RAM with graphics RAM with disk space.
    That's too vague of a question.

    Remember, motherboards support specific CPUs. You MUST buy an AMD motherboard for AMD processors and an Intel motherboard for Intels.

    So what I recommend you do first is pick which CPU you want. Then buy a motherboard that supports that processor based on the socket and chipset. Then buy RAM supported by that specific motherboard. With that budget, I recommend at least 16GB (2 x 8GB).

    Almost every motherboard maker maintains QVLs (qualified vendors lists) for CPUs, RAM and sometimes SSDs for each of their boards. These lists show which specific CPUs are supported by that specific board. To ensure compatibility, you should buy a listed CPU. There are too many RAM makers and models to test them all so you don't have to buy listed RAM, but you should buy RAM with the same specs as listed RAM.

    Last and probably the most important - the power supply. Do NOT try to trim cents off the budget with your power supply. The PSU is arguably the most important purchasing decision you will need to make. Would you buy a brand new Porsche then fill it up at the corner Tobacco and Bait shop? So that decision should be made last after you pick your other components and know what your power requirements will be.

    You specifically mentioned you are looking for "efficiency". A wise decision. So you need to look for at least 80 PLUS "Gold" supplies but Platinum or even Titanium would be better. I like EVGA and Seasonic.
     
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  3. Anon-469e6fb48c

    Anon-469e6fb48c Anonymized

    Thanks

    Yes i all ready have this case from my previous desktop.

    Most of the stuff i am thinking about is the older style games.But some of the newer stuff does require at least 2 gigs of video ram.Any thing higher is point less unless you are video editing and stuff like that.But you could buy two video cards and have one do video editing stuff and the other do what ever.Or buy a video card that has at least 4 to 6 gigs of video ram.

    I don't sorry if i did.Video graphics and RAM are completely different.

    I never go below 8 gigs of ram.Any thing under 8 gigs is mainly for work stations.Like the 32bit systems.Even my laptop is running 8 gigs of ram.I normally run 64bit rig's.

    I use to be good with hardware back in the day.But things have changed so much in the last 20 years.I kinda lost track on whats good.I use to build and sell decent systems back in the day.

    Like for instance..Ram higher clock speeds.I hear there is a major difference.Between having a lower clocked ram then having a overclocked set of ram.
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    Last edited: Aug 8, 2018
  4. Digerati

    Digerati Major Geek Extraordinaire

    It is not pointless at all. Just like system RAM, more video RAM typically results in better graphics performance for all graphics tasks.
    Yes, if you had a PSU to support them.
    ??? No its not. In fact, many "workstations" use 64, 128 or more GB of RAM. 32bit computers are limited to 4GB of RAM anyway.

    RAM speed does make a difference, but more slow RAM is better than less fast RAM.
     
  5. Anon-469e6fb48c

    Anon-469e6fb48c Anonymized

    Which is more important higher Capacity or Speed More Important for RAM???

    Since i will most likely be putting at least 8 to 16 gigs of ram into my desktop any way.
     
  6. Digerati

    Digerati Major Geek Extraordinaire

    I just answered that and you quoted it. More RAM is more important than faster RAM.

    In other words, I will take slow 16GB over fast 8GB any day of the week.
     

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