Particles faster than light measured

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  1. augiedoggie

    augiedoggie The Canadian Loon - LocoAugie (R.I.P. 2012)

    CBC.ca
     
  2. Quantum777

    Quantum777 Private E-2

    "CERN says a neutrino beam fired from a particle accelerator near Geneva to a lab 730 kilometres away in Italy travelled 60 nanoseconds", the news article says...
    Thats 730,000meters/60E-9seconds= 1.217E13meters/second
    Over 40,000 times the speed of light. Wow!
     
  3. augiedoggie

    augiedoggie The Canadian Loon - LocoAugie (R.I.P. 2012)

    WOW is a complete understatement! X40K FTL speed is something monumental if repeatable and proven accurate with peer review. Sheesh, the possibilities..."Scotty, give us all she's got!"
     
  4. Quantum777

    Quantum777 Private E-2

    Whoops! The article said,

    "CERN said a neutrino beam fired from a particle accelerator near Geneva to a lab 730 kilometres away in Italy travelled 60 nanoseconds faster than the speed of light."

    NOT... "CERN said a neutrino beam fired from a particle accelerator near Geneva to a lab 730 kilometres away in Italy travelled 60 nanoseconds, faster than the speed of light."

    Still revolutionary exciting stuff, but only just faster than light.
    Still a great link to an exciting story augiedoggie!
    [Embarrassingly, I'll have have to learn to read english better.]
     
  5. augiedoggie

    augiedoggie The Canadian Loon - LocoAugie (R.I.P. 2012)

    LOL Quantum! Quite the difference eh?;):-D I missed it too if it's any consolation, your math seemed to be correct but the assumptions not so much.:)
     
  6. Rikky

    Rikky Wile E. Coyote - One of a kind

    730km/299,792kmps= 0.0024350216149864 Seconds for light to cover the distance

    The neutrinos were took 60ns less to cover the distance

    ns= 10-9

    0.0024350216149864 - 0.000000006 = 0.0024350156149864

    730 / 0.0024350156149864 = 299 792.7387024486 kmps

    The neutrons travelled 0.738km further in a second than light or travelled 0.738kms faster than light if the results are correct.

    Doubt that extra half a mile an hour will get us to the stars much faster:-D It must be a reading error.
     
  7. CrazyCanuck

    CrazyCanuck Private E-2

    Oh boy. Here comes the 1/100,000,000 black hole.... Brace yourselves!





    Are we dead yet?








    Ok but seriously. My actual point for this is that scientists calculated a limited risk factor because we know of particles only traveling the speed of light or less. So now that we see different measurements, if they are in fact true, physics have been turned on its head and the laws we thought used to govern our universe have, at least in some way, slightly changed.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...of-light-broken-at-CERN-scientists-claim.html

    "Antonio Ereditato, spokesman for the researchers, said: “We have high confidence in our results. We have checked and rechecked for anything that could have distorted our measurements but we found nothing.”

    Scientists agree if the results are confirmed, that it would force a fundamental rethink of the laws of physics.

    John Ellis, a theoretical physicist, said Einstein’s theory underlies “pretty much everything in modern physics”.
     
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  8. Spock96

    Spock96 Major Geek 'Spocky'

    That's just ummm....WOW.
     
  9. Rikky

    Rikky Wile E. Coyote - One of a kind

    My problem with it is how close it is to the speed of light,if the light barrier isn't a barrier then why do the neutrino's travel so close to it? Why not twice the speed of light or 3 times?

    I saw a documentary called 'faster than the speed of light' on the bbc which detailed the experiment and the number of variables they have to take into account is mind blowing,the chance that other neutrino speed measuring observation are wrong and this one of right seems kinda slim to me,the most obvious of which are neutrino burst from supernova,if neutrinos could travek faster than the speed of light then we would detect the neutrino's before we see the start explode but this isn't the case,in fact the neutrino bursts would arrive years earlier from distance explosions.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SN_1987A

    http://usersguidetotheuniverse.com/?p=2169

    In the doco one string theorist physicist described how the neutrinos could have left our dimension then reappeared again which would give the appearance of faster than light while not breaking the laws of relativity,which would give evidence for string theory's multi dimensional universe but he stressed he wasn't offering this explanation up fro the neutrino's and agreed it was most likely a mistake.
     
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2011

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