RAM maxing out in idle

Discussion in 'Software' started by Jonaman8, Jun 13, 2013.

  1. Jonaman8

    Jonaman8 Private E-2

    Since yesterday I've encountered a problem with my laptop.
    I've had no problems with my system until now. I had been gaming, shut down my laptop, started it up a few hours later, started a game, which dropped to 2fps and I looked at my task manager. There I saw that my memory usage was 98-99%. Restarting didn't work and even in idle the memory usage is 98-99%. This has made everything except typing things and stuff like that almost impossible.

    I have an MSI GT70
    Specs:
    CPU: IntelCore i7-3630QM
    VGA: Nvidia GeForce GTX 680M / 4GB GDDR5
    RAM: DDRIII 16GB(4GB*4)
    HDD: 750GB 7200RPM+256G SSD(SUPER RAID)
    I'm using Windows 8 64-bit

    Included are screenshots of my task manager and resource monitor. In the first the programs in the resource monitor are sorted by commit, in the second by hard faults/s, which I think is more than normal, especially when a program is running, it gets to 2000 hard faults/s.

    If anybody can help me it would be greatly appreciated
     

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  2. brownizs

    brownizs MajorGeek

    Something is eating it up. You really need something like Sysinternals Process Explorer to break down what is eating up all the RAM.
     
  3. Jonaman8

    Jonaman8 Private E-2

    Is this what you meant? Or do I need to open another tab or show something else?
    Anyway, thank you for your time :)
     

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  4. Jonaman8

    Jonaman8 Private E-2

    On another site I found someone with the same problem who had fixed it by unchecking the automatic managing of the page file size and then putting it back on. I did the same but after rechecking the box my system went unresponsive and I had to remove the battery.rolleyes Now I have no problems anymore. I don't know if this was harmful for my system and wether it will stay good. If not, you'll sure hear of me again;) Thank you anyway for your help:)
     
  5. brownizs

    brownizs MajorGeek

    The screen shot of Process Explorer shows that Svchost was wonky for a sub-process. If you went through with the pull battery, reinstall, and things are working, also do a sfc /scannow in a command window, and see if it finds anything wrong.
     
  6. falconattack

    falconattack Command Sergeant Major

  7. Jonaman8

    Jonaman8 Private E-2

    I ran the sfc / scannow command (result in screenshot). I can't access the mentioned log however, it says access denied while I'm an administrator and the only user of this laptop.
    Malwarebytes has done a complete scan and hasn't found anything.
    I've also ran the Svchost Process Analyzer, result in the screenshot.

    Thank you everybody!:)
     

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  8. brownizs

    brownizs MajorGeek

    You can enable the real administrator account, and look at that file. In order to do it as a user, you have to take ownership of the file.
     
  9. Jonaman8

    Jonaman8 Private E-2

    I enabled the real administrator and took a look at the log but I don't really understand what is stated there:-o. I copied it to a regular notepad so I could upload it.
     

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  10. brownizs

    brownizs MajorGeek

    I do not see anything that stands out in that log, so I would just ignore it. A lot of times you will get a error message during something like this, and it comes out that it really had no cause to effect, or vice versa.
     
  11. Jonaman8

    Jonaman8 Private E-2

    So I can conclude that my system is clean?
     
  12. brownizs

    brownizs MajorGeek

    Probably, othat than computer keyboards and mice contain more germs than any other surface.
     
  13. Jonaman8

    Jonaman8 Private E-2

    Thank you very much!
     
  14. theefool

    theefool Geekified

    Just out of curiosity, can you bring up a command prompt and do the following:

    wmic pagefile list /formate:list

    Then paste the info here. You have 16 GB of ram, I'm going to guess that your pagefile is nearly the same size. I'd drop that pagefile to 4 GB at the most. Also, move it to your slower drive. By default my pagefile was eating up 64 GB of space. Technically, I could just run without, but, I'm in a mindset that I have to have one. Though, I doubt I need one.
     

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  15. brownizs

    brownizs MajorGeek

    thefool, the pagefile is only going to use up hard drive space, not RAM space.
     
  16. Jonaman8

    Jonaman8 Private E-2

    Here's the requested info
     

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  17. theefool

    theefool Geekified

    Yep, I know that it will use up hard drive space, and not ram space.

    So, to Jonaman8, is your C:\ drive your ssd? Also, is your ram usage still high?
     
  18. Jonaman8

    Jonaman8 Private E-2

    My C is SSD, D is HDD. My RAM usage was normal (2-3G in idle) although at this moment it is using 4,5G in idle.
     
  19. brownizs

    brownizs MajorGeek

    If you open up Task manager, go to the Processes tab, then sort by highest use of RAM at this time, what is using the most memory?

    I only have 12gb in my laptop, and at idle with Chrome running, it usually uses about 2gb. Right now with a Explorer window open, while I am deleting some files off of a network share, I am still using 2.5gb.

    On your machine, something is eating up RAM for some reason, and you are going to have to narrow it down. Win8 made it easier to figure this stuff out, by taking some of the stuff out of the Sysinternals tools, and incorporating them into the tools on Windows 8, such as Task manager.

    Also with the SSD being as your main drive, make sure that Superfetch should be turned off. I use Ultimate Windows Tweaker to make other changes on my machines, especially for Network stuff like QOS, and kill time on non-responding applications, etc..

    There are many reasons why your system is eating that much RAM at idle, and you will have to go through the running processes to figure what it is.

    This guide is for Win7, but still applies to 8. http://www.overclock.net/t/1133897/windows-7-ssd-tweaking-guide
     
  20. Jonaman8

    Jonaman8 Private E-2

    The highest RAM-using process running is internet explorer, with 120,8MB. I always thought that the disabling of SuperFetch wasn't necessary, and doesn't disabling it make your functions actually slower? Chances are very high that I'm mistaken here... Except that I did all the tweaks you linked.

    EDIT: I just restarted to let the tweaks take effect and now the RAM usage in idle is 2GB
     
  21. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi

    in your screenshots of the ram usage I just noticed that the Drive usage is 100% is this still the same now today if you enter Task Manager and look at Performance > Disk?

    2GB at idle is good, so looks as if the tweaks posted helped.
     
  22. Jonaman8

    Jonaman8 Private E-2

    The Drive usage is now 0-1%. After the tweaks I do have noticed that the login time after I started up my laptop is longer, is this normal? Still not much, but it's gone from about 1 sec to 5 seconds.
     
  23. brownizs

    brownizs MajorGeek

    Superfetch is not needed for SSD's, is why the OS will remove it, when it sees a SSD, or you have to go in and remove the registry entry, if it doesn't automatically get removed.
     
  24. brownizs

    brownizs MajorGeek

    The OS has to go through its process of retuning, because of the changes. Give it around five to ten boot-ups, it should go back to being just as quick.

    When you move things around, or change things, the OS has to figure out what happened, just like in h.s., when we went from one year of English to another, we had to go back through a "tuning" process to get back up to speed. Windows does the same thing.
     

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