Red Hat, instead of Morphix/Knopix, and why

Discussion in 'Software' started by green_newbie, Nov 19, 2003.

  1. green_newbie

    green_newbie Private First Class

    every now and then on here i see people asking about what version of Linux to learn. so i am posting what i think i have desided for others to think about and comment on.

    I think I am going to go with Red Hat instead of trying to jack with Morphix(allot like Knopix)

    reason being there are TONS of versions of linux,
    but i think red hat is in the most widely used, with network big companies and all that, maybe it isn't the MOST used but it is widely used and i hears it is one of the better.

    so asks myself, i am going to spend all this time learning a version of linux, that isn't the mainstream one?

    I would rather go through the extra effort now and learn red hat
    so that it is a more usable skill. see what i am saying?
     
  2. Vlad902

    Vlad902 Guest

    You might want to install Fedora instead, and it really doesn't matter if you install something 'mainstream' or not, the things that are Fedora/RH specific are usually completely useless (well something things are not, ie. apt-get for Debian, pkgtool for slack, ports for *BSD, etc. but these are small thigns), the things that are important are usually the things that span all distros, networking, security, kernel crap, general configuration, etc. Personally I don't feel Fedora is gonna give you a very good feel because it limits you with automatic networking, it's own kernel hacks so that it makes it more complex to do kernel stuff, security, don't know about that, never checked that out, I guess they don't install wu-ftpd anymore :D Still probably sendmail :(
     
  3. Major Attitude

    Major Attitude Co-Owner MajorGeeks.Com Staff Member

    Was this not beat to death in a thread still active just a few days ago. To start a new thread and suggest people use a version thats being discontinued, makes no sense.
     
  4. green_newbie

    green_newbie Private First Class

    it was beaten, but i wouldn't say to death. you are referring to the thread "linux ?" started by dwjj and his insane avatar :) ??

    i think your only post on that thread was one where you were upset about that thread allso, with slightly a less attitude than this one.

    i don't see the problem with talking about a subject more than once? the way things are worded are different, who posts what is defferent, and there is often new info. for instance i didn't know red hat was being discontinued(**), and i learned that here, something not talked about in the previous thread. it makes sense to suggest it if you don't know it is being discontinued.

    so maybe not red hat, but i think the point of my previous post is valid. there are leading versions of Linux and Morphix / Knopix aren't them.
    i don't think discussion of linux happens so often it is crowding out the software board. and if people are contributeing to it, then and discussing it, doesn't that validate it?

    (** i read these articles on Red Hat)
    http://www.newsforge.com/business/03/10/23/1156204.shtml?tid=17
    http://www.newsforge.com/software/03/11/03/1657205.shtml
    http://www.hebig.org/blogs/archives/main/001245.php
     
  5. Philipp

    Philipp Administrator Staff Member

    There was also another Linux thread:
    http://www.majorgeeks.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23083

    The distro behind Knoppix/Morphix is the unstable branch of Debian Linux, which is the second most popular Linux distribution for servers.

    An overview of the 10 major distros:
    http://www.distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major
     
  6. green_newbie

    green_newbie Private First Class

    i said "there are leading versions of Linux and Morphix / Knopix aren't them. " based on what i had heard from several other people in the past, maybe this is wrong but on the url you put up http://www.distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major
    these 10 most populair are as the site itself says

    "These distributions are listed in order of popularity on DistroWatch, which is NOT an indication of their market share or quality. As always"

    Knopix is # 6, Debian GNU/Linux is # 3,

    red hat, (which is what i was saying i would learn over knopix due to populairity) is #2

    i am not sure what you mean by "unstable branch of debian linux" (click on the link you have on -unstable- but couldn't get a quik answer from that.)
    knopix is debian based (your url says) but is listed as a seperate version alltogether at #6 in populairity

    now i am green_newbie, so this is scary but.....lets keep the attacks on my posts comeing, it is makeing me do more research which is allways good. :D
     
  7. Philipp

    Philipp Administrator Staff Member

    Debian is currently the #2 Linux distro after Red Hat on servers worldwide, according to the Netcraft Webserver survey:
    http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2003/08/16/debian_linux_distribution_10_years_old_today.html

    MajorGeeks is also running on a Debian server:
    http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.majorgeeks.com

    A cut&paste from DistroWatch:
    At any time during the development process, there are three branches in the main directory tree - "stable", "testing" and "unstable" (also known as "sid"). When a new version of a package appears, it is placed in the unstable branch for first testing. If it passes, the package moves to the testing branch, which undergoes rigorous testing lasting many months. This branch is only declared stable after a very thorough testing. As a result of this, the distribution is possibly the most stable and reliable, albeit not the most up-to-date. While the stable branch is perfect for use on mission critical servers, many users prefer to run the more up-to-date testing or unstable branches on their personal computers.

    It is a separate version, but turns into a real Debian Linux system after the harddisk installation.
     
  8. green_newbie

    green_newbie Private First Class

    that is all fine and good, and i never said anything to the contrary

    i had said
    *1-"there are leading versions of Linux and Morphix / Knopix aren't them. "

    to which you said
    *2-"The distro behind Knoppix/Morphix is the unstable branch of Debian Linux, which is the second most popular Linux distribution for servers.

    An overview of the 10 major distros:
    http://www.distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major"

    i took this statement as a contradiction, and saying i was incorrect with statement *1 (which may or may not be true, but i beleived it to be true at the time of post based on what i have heard others say)

    so useing your distrowatch.com link i looked at how that site rated things to see that , Knoppix is at #6, (Morphix not even listed but it is a striped down version of Knoppix (so i read) so that doesn't mean much) and Debian GNU/Linux is # 3
    red hat sits at #2,
    this site supports the subject of this thread, and my statement (see *1).......


    i am understanding why you are saying that Knoppix is worth knowing, because Debian Linux is a big main stream server OS, moreso (maybe) than Red Hat.

    an interesting thing about red hat though, i read this stuff about it being discontinued (as Major Attitude so nicely pointed out) but at the same time, it seems like i see lots of stuff on it still, like it is very populair and widely used. so i wonder what exactly this means, i mean if lots of people love it and it is doing well, why discontinue it.

    I read the statement (on another chat board) "Looks like they are abandoning freeware Linux and going to Red Hat Enterprise Linux only."

    i will have to read up on what the differance is, because if Red Hat Enterprise Linux, is pretty much the same things as the Freeware freeware (only it cost money) then this mean nothing as far as what is comeing up in the world and on it's way out. does this make sense?
     
  9. Philipp

    Philipp Administrator Staff Member

    They discontinued Red Hat Linux because to push their paid Red Hat Enterprise Linux series (starting at $179 for workstations and $349 for servers)

    The successor of the old free Red Hat series is Fedora Core.

    A comparison between Fedora Core (free) and Red Hat Enterprise Linux (paid) is available on this page:
    http://fedora.redhat.com/about/rhel.html

    The main difference is the product lifetime. A Fedora Core release has a product lifetime of only 6-9 months, while an Enterprise Linux release is fully supported for the next 5 years. Upgrading every 6-9 months to a new release is not an option, at least not for webservers.
     

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