registry backup

Discussion in 'Software' started by peterr, Feb 27, 2015.

  1. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    If I use regedit to backup the registry, do I use merge or import to get the registry back as it was, or are they both the same?

    Would you do this before any big changes or use an automatic program to do it daily?
     
  2. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    Yes, export to save and after making changes, if you screwed it up, import to restore it.
     
  3. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi Peter

    I would be very careful at restoring registry backups unless they are for a specific KEY that links to a specific app that you may think is faulting, the issue with the registry is that you could back it up and then install and test an app, it fails and you think the registry is broken, and restore your backup, but unknown to you the backup is out of date, and Windows or other software have updated KEYS so then the backup breaks more than you wanted.

    So while registry backups are good then are good for specific KEYS and linked to specific apps over a full backup, your IMAGE files from backups are better IMHO.

    Registry backups good for specifics and backup definitely if using a registry cleaner (should not unless its for clearing a old uninstalled app or troubleshooting as registry cleaners will not speed up your PC) just in case they clear too much out and kill some Windows or software component.

    Curiosity has me Peter, why going down the route of registry backups? you know me curious nature.
     
  4. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    A person who I speak with said he backs up the registry before installing a program. That is why I asked about it.
    I would use the appropriate recovery.

    Regedit is the function I am referring to when I asked about 'merge' and 'import' being the same.

    Tweaking.com has its own program that backs it up and restores it as you wish e.g. daily, weekly etc. You just click a button to restore.
    I used to use it and it works well but stopped when I went to 8.1 for no particular reason.
    I have trouble with VMs and Sandboxie is for advanced users. I thought this was a way to be safe when I install a program. I did pick up you something you said that got me thinking.
    If I backed up the registry and time elapsed before I recovered that back up, there would be problems.
    That does not see to affect the tweaking program.
    I would have only used a backup for an installation in case it failed.

    If advisable, however, I will leave the registry alone.

    David, your so called curiosity has saved my bacon on more than one occasion so thank you for posting. Have a great weekend.

    I hope my reply answered both your inquiry and Tim's also.
    Peter
     
  5. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi Peter

    Yeah curiosity abated now, and I see the reason to do a registry backup in case a new app buggers something up. Just wouldn't want a backup to be far out of date, and by far I would mean days as a timeline.

    You are always welcome Peter and have a good weekend yourself.
     
  6. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    I think a system restore is a safer way to handle this and it just dawned on me that it more encompassing.
     
  7. Eldon

    Eldon Major Geek Extraordinaire

    Something else to consider is to use a program like Ashampoo Uninstaller. You install and uninstall a program with it. I have used it since 2009 and it completely removes an installed program. The trial is fully-functional.

    https://www.ashampoo.com/en/zar/pin/1303/system-software/Ashampoo-UnInstaller-5

    Alternatively, Revo Uninstaller Free will remove almost all orphaned files, folders, and registry keys and values.
     
  8. Earthling

    Earthling Interplanetary Geek

    Only for 32 bit software though. For 64 bit you need the paid version, or you could use Iobit Uninstaller.
     
  9. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    I never had any trouble until I used these uninstallers. It never dawned on me that they are like registry cleaners and have the potential to remove valid files.
    I know Revo has a great reputation but once I stopped using it I never had any issues. I think it is better to leave some orphans behind than to drop a valid file. I now err on the side of caution. I remember when I could not use Revo due to the bit issue and used Iobit. I have Ashampoo as a burner but as Earthling pointed out, with 8.1 you can do all the burning you want.

    @Earthling, is there and reason to keep a 3rd party burner now that 8.1 has the abilities it has?
    Peter
     
  10. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    >>Do you run a system restore before using this program remover?
     
  11. Earthling

    Earthling Interplanetary Geek

    Hi Peter

    Not the best person to ask as the only burning I ever do is ISOs and for that the OS feature is quite sufficient. If you have other requirements then a burning program could be needed I guess. Built-in burning is in 7 too btw.
     
  12. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    Understand - no harm in leaving it as I too rarely burn except iso's.
     
  13. Eldon

    Eldon Major Geek Extraordinaire

    No.
    And Ashampoo Uninstaller is not a registry cleaner.

    Ashampoo Uninstaller has 3 steps.
    Step 1. It creates a backup of important files and registry entries.
    Step 2. You install and run a program.
    Step 3. It creates another backup of important files and registry entries, and you save the log.

    All of this is done from within Ashampoo Uninstaller. When you uninstall the program with Ashampoo Uninstaller, the two backups are compared, and the files, folders, and registry keys and values that are present in backup 2, but not in backup 1, are removed. Ingenious.

    I have more than 5 years experience using Ashampoo Uninstaller. It's perfect.

    I'm sending you a message which is not a suggestion but just some FYI.
     
  14. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    That is good to know and thank you for the information.
    I though all program removers were the same. My bad. ;)
     
  15. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    The likes of Acronis True Image as I know you have or do use is the best option for disaster recovery.

    All depends on your backup timescale, if daily that's awesome and will allow you to try and revert with ease but if longer backup schedule them you can loose some updates to apps or newly installed apps.
     
  16. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    I usually image to external hard drives each week or so but keep the oldest image as a OS disc so to speak for a clean install.
    Weekly I also update all data files on 2 separate flash drives.
    All files are out of the machine and in my hands.

    I cannot help but think these program removers are like cleaners in the respect that they are removing files and can delete valid ones.
    Otherwise how do they function?
    I feel losing a valid file is worse than leaving behind a few orphans. I never have had an issue since I stopped using Revo and Iobit.

    If you are proficient with the registry and can examine hat is being removed that would be, in my mind, an acceptable procedure, but, if you cannot, I do not think one should maneuver the registry.
     
  17. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi Peter

    Yes exactly, some registry cleaners do remove legitimate and needed files, which is why many state, registry cleaners do more harm than good, indeed they can be good for troubleshooting but every day PC usage, not so useful as they "Will NOT speed anything up"

    I agree leaving a few orphan files in the registry is fine over killing a OS, the registry as I have stated a few times in the past is not large by any means, in general its 100mb +/- in Windows 8 and will be similar in other Win variants.

    Agreed if proficient in what the registry does and what locations you need to find items, manually editing the registry is fine.
     
  18. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    Have another gr 8 t weekend. ;)
     

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