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Discussion in 'Software' started by peterr, Aug 8, 2009.

  1. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    If you want to remove a remnants of programs totally yet safely can you run 'regedit' >edit>find and remove the items you find ?
    I ask because I wonderd if you could remove startup CPL this way. CPL is not in add/remove.
    I do not want to do it and the question is for learning purposes only.
     
  2. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    Your advice was relevant and instructional. I learn this way by 'creeping' through one issue after another. This all goes in my folder with my personal db - I guess that is standard for data base.
    The regisrty is an area I will not be skilled enough to use in my lifetime but it sounds like a fascinating, complex concept.
    If you know what you are doing, it must allow for a lot of pleasurable activity.
    I am now going to see about the removal of CPL, not that I will do it but to see what I can learn. Perhaps if I can safely remove it, I will then replace it.
    "If it ain't broke, don't fix it", does not work with pcs because you never learn. I just have to be careful where I poke my fingers.
    Thank you again
     
  3. Earthling

    Earthling Interplanetary Geek

    Those with a strong urge to poke around peterr would be well advised to get Acronis or similar. It really doesn't matter then if you break something as you can get it all back as it was pretty quickly. ;)
     
  4. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    >>I was interested in imaging sometime ago but the True Image and the Western Digital hard drive did not get along. Western Digital admitted they were wrong but who cares. I got discouraged. Now the little but of data I backup I do with a couple of flashdrives.
    You have put a bug in my ear and if I am going to tinker, imagaing might be a good idea.
    Would a 6 year old Norton Ghost be useable. Any recomendations for a external hard drive?
    This will be done on a social security budget.:-o
     
  5. Earthling

    Earthling Interplanetary Geek

    What version of Ghost and what OS? I do know Ghost 9 is fine with XP.
     
  6. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    It is Ghost 9. Both my lap and desk are Win xp home sp3.
    I'm low on ram at 512 on the lap and 768 on the desk.
    I guess if I got an external hard drive, I would get one to accomodate a new pc as these are 4-5 years old with 40 gb hard drives.
    I hope this information is helpful.
    I do have a question, is there any truth that during the backup or recovery, one may lose information on both ends if there is a problem?
    Thank you
     
  7. Earthling

    Earthling Interplanetary Geek

    There is no problem with your RAM, Ghost 9 will run fine. Obviously you do need somewhere to store your backups, and an external drive is ideal, the bigger the better.

    You can't lose any info while creating images, and you can verify them after writing them. However it would be idle to pretend there is no risk when restoring, as you are overwriting your OS. However in countless restores using both Ghost and Acronis I have yet to experience a problem. These programs are your lifeline and a godsend.
     
  8. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    I've run both Ghost and Acronis. I have to say, of the two, I prefer TI a lot more.

    What you want to do is install TI then make a rescue CD. This will allow you to boot your computer even when windows doesn't load. This has saved my hide quite a few times.
    Test the CD to be sure that it works by opening the drive, putting the CD and rebooting your computer to be sure Acronis loads from the CD. It will load into RAM. After you see that it works, you can exit out of the program and windows will load normally.
    Then, use add/remove programs to remove Acronis from your computer. It is a lot safer to do an image outside of windows, before it has a chance to load.

    When you want to make an image, boot up the computer with the rescue CD and select "create image". You can either put it on an external hard drive, on a partition on your internal hd or burn to CDs/DVDs. An image to an external drive is quicker than burning but I burn images every so often simply because I want a backup I can use if the external hard drive dies.

    I always take the extra time after I am done creating an image to "verify the image". I want to know that the image is good. I don't want an unpleasant surprise when I need to restore and then have Acronis tell me the image is corrupt.

    As to my preferences, I've had more images with Ghost fail to verify than with True Image. I don't know why but for that fact, I feel, at least in my case, Acronis True Image is better.
     
  9. Earthling

    Earthling Interplanetary Geek

    Totally agree with you about TI plodr. It's just that the OP says he's on social security, and as he already has Ghost ...

    btw, if you use Grub4DOS as boot manager you can simply paste your bootable ATI Rescue ISO into a folder somewhere and boot it from the boot menu. So fast! You could also do the same with any other bootable ISO, including Ghost.
     
  10. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    I understand some of what you say.
    I have not used Ghost to make a disc to use to boot up if I could not do so by hand.
    Would my o.s. disc help boot my pc, or should I make a disk with Ghost?
    If I should make one with Ghost, how do I do that?
    Thank you
     
  11. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi Peter

    Would be best if you are imaging your HDD to go with Norton Ghost 9, the OS cd will only allow you to boot and repair or re-install Windows, the manual to Ghost 9 is here if you dont have it (its a PDF so make sure you have either Acrobat Reader or Foxit Reader, bit on Majorgeeks main page)

    But IIRC the Norton Ghost 9 CD is bootable and thats all you need to get to the recover ghost image options.
     
  12. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    Hi Halo
    I can't understand IIRC hard as I try.
    I understand that if I have a place to back up to that Ghost would restore the image.
    I do not so I now know that if I could not boot up, at least the o.s. disc would be able to do so.
    Thanx
     
  13. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi Peter


    If yoru PC wount boot into Windows then its likely to be able to boot to a Windows CD?DVD or a Recovery/boot disk from Ghost, you need to enter the BIOS (could be Del, or an F key you should note at the very start of boot, what the rouet to enter the BIOS i, for eg. my motherboards BIOS rouet is DEL key) then you set the First boot device to CDROM, this allows you to boot to the CD over the HDD.

    If your PC wont boot into the BIOS then you have more toubles than just software.

    Hope I have made that a little clearer, I hope.
     
  14. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    Good to know;this is hypothetical for learning purposes.
    I'm getting the idea and thank you.
     
  15. Earthling

    Earthling Interplanetary Geek

    peterr:

    IIRC = If I Remember Correctly ;)

    and if IIRC Ghost can back up to CD/DVD, so you do have a place to back up to, though an external drive is one heck of a lot better.

    In the event your Windows won't start then yes, you can use a Windows retail or OEM disk and attempt a repair install. Might or might not work, and a Recovery disk certainly won't do. But if you boot to your Ghost CD and restore an image it has a very high chance of working, i.e. putting your system back where it was, software and all.

    So getting Ghost working is really important.
     
  16. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    I do have my original operating system cds for both the lap and the desk. I had to reformat and reinstall twice on both over the years.
    Isn't it true that newer pcs have a symantec device that resides in a seperate partition so you can ?click a key and all this old fashion reformat reinstall is done for you.
    I read you should make a cd of it in case of total failure you can use it to do the job.
    I am not sure of the size of the partition - if it is gigs you could not use a cd .
    What can you tell me about this?
     
  17. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi Peter


    Yes many OEMs liek Dell, HP etc are using a few GBs of a hard drive partition to store the restore for the PC opposed to giving you a disk with it on, some info here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovery_disc on recovery options including the restore partition.


    However they just take you back to factory default, whereas using the likes of Ghost will if you make a backup weekly or daily or when you want will take you back to the last good restore backup so saves yoru days of installing all the apps and settinsg you have made over the years/months/weeks.. depending on your last full re-install.

    I tend to use Acronis True Image, but Macrium Reflect is a good free alternative, and I just schedule a Full backup of my PCs on a Wednesday and Sunday, and as I dont save my personal files on the C: drive that reduces the risk a little of loosing some new files. So all I need to do if I'm messing with the OS and mess something up, is to boot to the Restore/boot disk and recover the backup image off my HDD, be it an internal or external drive (I keep two copies of each backup of each HDD, normally rotate them as mentioned Wed/Sun so only have 2 images files of each HDD off my 3 PCs)

    On the 4th PC, I'm in process of converting that to a Windows Home Server to handle backups off all PCs.



    Does your Ghost CD allow you to boot to it? try setting in the BIOS the 1st boot device to CDROM then F10 to save and exit and try booting to it, if it works then just exit out of it and reset your BIOS to 1st boot sdevice the main HDD and F10 save and exit again to save that setting.
     
  18. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    Also, if the hard drive in the computer dies, it happens, that recovery partition on the dead hard drive is absolutely worthless. Some people have to go to the manufacturer and hope they are able to purchase a recovery disk. This takes the computer back to the way it was when new which isn't real great if the computer is 3 or 4 years old and needs all those windows security patches installed again.
    That's why it is good to make your own image every few months so you do not have so many updates to do.
     
  19. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    I made note of Ghost as a boot disc and am going to try it.
    I do understand the absolute benefit of imaging over Symantec's device.
    I guess it is a good idea never to buy a pc without a reinstallation disc.
    If Gramy increases my allowance, I may get that external hard drive.
    After 7 decades I am more concerned about my parts than my pc's.
    It ius amazing to hear about your project involving 4 pcs and what you are doing. It must be so much fun.
    Good luck with all that and enjoy!
     
  20. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Good stuff, let us know how you get on and if Ghost doesnt seem to want to work, I would suggest Macrium Reflect and I can talk you throught that app.

    No sadly to save costs many makers decided a restore partition was best, some do give the option of creating restore CD/DVDs but in the main they are a one time only shot.

    I hope so on the external as they save alot of hassle.

    Thats great Peter and you have some great questions that do give us all some extra thinking to do on solutions

    David
     
  21. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    Are you saying you can't get a pc with an operating system cd?
    That is scary! Suppose you mess up with that dvd you are supposed to create?
     
  22. Earthling

    Earthling Interplanetary Geek

    Well that's where Ghost comes in. You simply don't need any recovery CD or partition with Ghost/Acronis/MacriumReflect/BootItNow etc
     
  23. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    Hello again
    But wouldn't it mean a new external hard drive or someplace to backup to.
    So when I buy a new pc I need to buy a hard drive also, right?:(
     
  24. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    Most new computers come with burners. You can burn the image to CDs or DVDs. Of course you need to buy a stack of blank disks so you have something to burn the image on.
    All computers with Windows 7 will need to have DVD drives (they might not be DVD burners) because Win 7 is on a DVD rather than a CD.
     
  25. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    I'm not sure I understand.
    Are you referring to the symantec device you burn or an image you burn?
    O.S. are so big these days you would have quite a stack if you tried to burn dvd's of the o.s. itself.

    I understand you can image the o.s. to an external hard drive but not to cd or dvd because of the volume. I also understand you can burn the symantec partition to a dvd.
    Other than that I am not sure -perhaps we have apples and oranges.
     
  26. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    Not quite true. I burn images of some of my computers to CDs.
    My laptop, which has a 20GB hd and runs windows 2000 takes 3 or 4 CDs for a full image.
    My desktop, which has a 120GB but partitioned into two-60 GB parts (one partition has windows 2000 and all my programs) takes 9 or 10 CDs for an image.
    I rarely store files on my computers. I usually either burn the data to CDs, if it will not change or store on USB sticks if it changes a lot. As a result, I only have about 11 GBs. The image offers to do compression and I accept whatever it shows as the default (I think it is normal compression).

    I like the security of having some CDs with my image on, just in case the external hd where I usually image to dies. If that dies and my internal hard drives dies, I would have nothing.
     
  27. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    Hi Dom
    You have a good system;I envy you.
    I did backup once with True Image to Western Digital external hard drive.
    Then my o.s was ?relatively small.
    It took 10 cds -I was referring that many as 'volume'. I remember the compression option but am not sure these eight years later wherhter I chose it or not. Recovery failed but Western Digital took the blame. I returned it never to image again; that was then.
    These messeages are a big help in my refining ideas and procedures.
     
  28. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi Peter

    Not a fundemental requirement to get another HDD, as you can like Plodr and Dom have mentioned use multiple DVDs to backup the images too, but for me thats too much of a hassle and slow, so I do advise friends etc to get a 2nd internal HDD or external HDD to backup too, yes it costs more ontop of a new PC, but peace of mind and backups of precious memories and information is paramount I feel as som many users do leave this basic (in my mind) step out to backup backup backup, at times of PC issues you may not be able to recover your memories.

    If you are getting a new PC soon then if Windows 7 and depending on version of the OS you may have the built in backup app, it can *depending on version* do data backup or full images.

    So personally I woudl factor in the cost of a 2nd HDD, maybe an External one.
     
  29. peterr

    peterr MajorGeek

    Currently I backup all data + things I do not have discs for to both flash drive and 2nd pc. So if all failed in one pc I can get everything I need from 2 sources.
    I agree with the external hard drive + imaging.
    That logic prevailed in forums some time ago and still seems to be the way to go, IMHO.
    Thank you.
     

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