rtsp download

i am on dialup and have to pre-DL any podcasts, etc. i want to listen to. actual streaming or buffering in place never works.

suddenly i am confronted with one which has an "rtsp" URL, and tells me "anti-leech protected". huh? are these 2 seperate things, or is that was "rtsp" IS?

i tried with getright and with orbit, but it is similarly blocked. for that matter, my IE can't even handle it if i punch in the URL directly -- somehow letting the original link trigger the REALPLAYER pop up makes all the difference.

i can understand the "anti-leech" sentiment -- maybe -- but there is no other way to LISTEN to the stuff! is there some way to DIRECT that "pop up" to getright or somewhere? or to get realplayer to decline (bounce) it along?

 

Don't know if this helps you, but after doing a bit of looking into this, i came across this :
http://all-streaming-media.com/record-audio-stream/all-streaming-audio-recording-software.htm
its a list of pay and freeware for stream downloading.
I'm not familiar with the vagaries of dialup, but maybe you can find something there if you haven't already figured it out .

 

i stand corrected. orbit did indeed handle them!

i dunno how i mucked this up the first time, but it worked in the end.

(for the record, i double-checked get-right, and, yes, it still fails)

 

i stand corrected abt standing corrected! the clips are unplayable.

they are 12M or so apiece -- i.e. not EMPTY -- and seemingly ".ra" files. and yet real just plays a second or two of each, before going dead.

VLC actually goes further -- 3-4 secs! -- before likewise dying.

WMP and WinAmp don't even attempt playback.

so what's this all mean? i have the actual clips here but they are SCRAMBLED or sumpin?

before i spend 3 days reDLing everything in one of those other apps (on dialup, remember), is there any reason to believe the files will be any different?

is an rtsp file inherently scrambled, and the player decodes it on the fly? and only when live streaming?

what next?!

 

Have you tried using quicktime to play the rtsp files ? I realize you said the filetype is .ra, which is going to be real player, but if you look here : http://filext.com/file-extension/RTSP
if you weren't downloading the file, and actually playing it streaming, it would automatically play in quicktime. I would try to use quicktime/itunes to play the downloaded file, if you haven't already . I doubt if they are encrypted .
Typical apple strongarm tactics. I'd give it a shot, anyway .

And btw - dont delete the files you have downloaded already. You will get them rolling . Might take a moment.

 

QuickTime just says "cannot open file; extension .ra is unsupported" a la WMP and WinAmp.

And no, live streaming doesn't involve QT either -- up pops RealPlayer for that playback too.

 

Hm. Interesting. Well, I'm flat out wrong then, sorry to waste your time . Tell you what, can you post the link for one of the files in question, I (and perhaps others) can download it and see how to get it playing .

 

I just downloaded an .ra file to my desktop, and it played through its entirety flawlessly with VLC (version 1.1.5) . What version of VLC do you have ?

note: this .ra file did not come from a site with rtsp .

 

no need to apologize for anything! i welcome all the help i can get.

i also have 1.1.5. and yeah, ra files play fine for me too except for this batch.

now as to the files in question...oooh...almost embarassed to admit where they came from, but here it is:

http://www.nedine.com/Audiofile.htm

specifically, the 2 Jan set, which, i am hoping, is their annual "Chinese Takeout" special....

iirc, i snagged the filenames and dumped them into Orbit by hand. for some reason the "intercept" didn't work.

and, as i said before, GetRight couldn't handle them even doing it that way. i got some ~50k dummy file.

 

Don;t be embarrased, we all use our computers for the things we enjoy, who am I or anyone else to judge ? I'm just trying to help you get what you want.
I see a january 2nd hour 1 hour 2 and hour 3
I dont have time tonight to jack with it, just let us know which hour(s) you are trying to get to play, and I'll have time to mess with it in the morning, maybe someone else may have time to do it tonight.
Otherwise, I'll let you know what I figure out tomorrow.

 

i meant, i'm embarassed it's some cheesy restaurant show...and not PORN....

:-D

anyway, if one plays all 3 should play. let me know if u get ANY of them going.

btw, i take back my comment that Orbit didn't properly intercept -- i just tried it on some other links there, and it did just fine. still get the "2 sec" treatment on playback, but at least it DLed something.

 

Ok, I got orbit, and I'm currently downloading hour 1 at the blazing speed of 4 KB/s . I will let you know what happens asap .

 

SUCCESS !
Open winamp. Open preferences (ctrl-p) scroll to the bottom, and under "Plug-ins" click "Input"
Double Click "Nullsoft DirectShow Decoder v1.08
ADD to the list (without quotes) ";RA;RM;RMVB"
Click close.
Winamp now plays the .ra file all the way through.
The time played clock and the progress bar do not behave correctly, but you can play your file !

Hope this works for you, it works for me , and I spent about an hour downloading and trying quite a few different solutions that did not work .
If it doesn't work for you let us know and we will GET it to work for you .

 

BTW- Be sure to restart Winamp after you make the changes .

 

didn't work for me, and, in fact, winamp does everything POSSIBLE to avoid opening these files! if i rt-click "open with..." and select winamp, up pops RealAudio! took me a while to figure out WHY, but it seems to be that winamp took a PASS, and then RealAudio took over as next in line.

if i open winamp by hand first, then load file from WITHIN, well, ok, it at least tries. but i get the 1-2 sec "bleep" effect again. and, depending what i do, sometimes winamp SHUTS DOWN, and up pops pinch-hitter RA again!

:mad

fwiw, my input doesn't read "Nullsoft DirectShow Decoder v1.08", it reads
"Nullsoft MPEG Audio Decoder v4.92 [in_mp3.dll]". is this a critical diff?

how do i swap them? i tried "uninstall plug ins" with the intent of then clicking "get plugins", but the latter doesn't OFFER the one you're talking abt! or much of ANYTHING related to decoding.

i guess i could get it off some site myself, but then how do i get winamp to pull it IN? never quite understood plug-ins.

oh, my winamp is 5.6, btw. in case that matters.

 

It should be in your default codecs

 

go to www.winamp.com and download the newest version (5.6) make sure you select it on i think the 5th page during installation when it asks you what components to install.
What OS are you using ?

I just saw you already have 5.6
Delete winamp, cleanup with ccleaner and reinstall .

 

My input codec list looks like this. I highlighted the one we need .
(look at attachment)

 

Oh i forgot you are on dialup and cant just download winamp in 60 seconds. I'll look for another solution.

 

Sorry CatT looks like you are gonna have to re-install winamp, and include all the codecs to get this to work. I suspect you installed a barebones version, removing many options because of your connection speed. This is likely the source of the problem. The codec we need for you to tweak is by nullsoft, who also makes winamp, and comes standard with winamp in the initial download UNLESS YOU UNCHECK IT DURING THE INSTALLATION PROCEDURE. I cannot find anywhere a download of only Nullsoft DirectShow Decoder v1.08 . If nobody else speaks up with a solution, I am certain that a reinstall with all options included (except for the winamp toolbar and the 50 free mp3 crap) and then the tweak I posted earlier will indeed fix your problem, as it works just fine on my system . I know it will take a long time to DL, but how bad do you want to hear your .ra files ..? It's up to you .
I did the best I could in helping you, now it's up to you how you want to handle it.
;-)

 

ok, just to clarify, i don't have any problem DLing very large things, such as winamp setup files, just so long as there aren't "timeouts" or "streams" involved. if reDLing winamp takes 12 hours, so be it. not an issue.

as it turns out, tho, i still have the setup file, so i did reDL. u kno, i didn't actually UNCHECK nullsoft, but somewhere along the line windows security popup said "Continue blocking?" with none other as the offending entry. so...it is possible that i viewed it as some toolbar or spam or the like on prior installation(s).

anyway, i clicked "unblock", completed the installation, added the RA/RM/RMVB stuff to the right line this time, and -- PRESTO, MAGICO! -- nothing.



still get the "punt to Real" if opened via right-click on the audio file...and the 2 second "bleep" if opened from inside a pre-opened winamp.

NEXT!

 

TYPO: that should read "so i did reinstall", not reDL.

really nonsensical the way i wrote it!

:zzz

 

Ok lets clarify so I fully understand your end. You did a re-install, and you now have Nullsoft DirectShow Decoder v1.08 under preferences > plus-ins> input .
You double clicked Nullsoft DirectShow Decoder v1.08, opening a small windows of filetypes, and you added (without quotes) "RA;RM;RMVB" . Make certain their is only one semicolon between filetypes. Make sure you click close, or ok . Then close winamp. Then right click your .ra file, and open with > winamp . Works just fine for me - and I used orbit to download the very same .ra file you are wanting to play. Please review the information here and make sure everything you did was exactly as I laid out for you.

I dont understand what you mean "punt to real". Right click the .ra file, and if you have to click browse for program to open with, then browse and find winamp, and open with winamp . I see no reason this won't work if directions were followed. What OS are you using ?

Make SURE you close winamp after adding the RA;RM;RMVB.
Right click the .ra file and open with winamp, even if you have to click "browse" to get to winamp. It works for me no problem on windows 7 .
Again, please tell me what OS you have, and just to verify, you DO, in fact, now have the Nullsoft DirectShow Decoder v1.08 under preferences > plus-ins> input ?

 

just for the record, i have not given up on this!

some realworld chaos has left me offline for a few weeks. i'm hoping to get back to it in the next coupla days.

i do believe i did everything as recommended, but perhaps in my haste i screwed something up. i'll go thru it again point-by-point as soon as possible.

stay tuned!

:major

 

OK, i've now had time to go thru this meticulously. Indeed, I have winamp 5.6, I've reinstalled a few times to be safe, and I have Nullsoft DirectShow Decoder 1.08 (and a whole heap of OTHER Nullsoft stuff) under PlugIns/Input and showing "RA;RM;RMVB" after the other MPEG/AVI stuff.

I can (barely) get the clip LOADED to winamp. Right-click won't do the trick -- just ignores me -- but if I boot winamp FIRST, well, then, OK, it does at least load. But the clip shows up as zero length, and doesn't play anything. I'm not even getting the 1-2 second bleat anymore.

Opening the clip in Real shows the most promise. Shows actual clip length, and counter moves along normally as if it's really playing. But no sound whatsoever (including bleat anymore!). Acting like a clip being played with "mute" on (which it isn't).

VLC counter a little screwy, but basically loads the clip. Still just 1-2 second "bleat" tho.

WMP won't even load the clip. "...cannot play the file" message.

NEXT!

 

Ok, since this whole thing began, I have had to do a re-install of Windows 7 , so here's what i can do. Here is the thread from which i got the solution - the solution which worked for ME, but apparently not you . There appears to be more information there that may help you solve your issue. Just see : http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?t=155680
and the information you will be looking for is listed first, under "Real Audio and Video (with no extra plugins)" . Remember, this is the Winamp forum. I have never liked or used Real Player, so any solution involving Real Player would have to come from someone else. Maybe there's enough information in that forum link that you can get your media playing ! Try it out, and report back here. If you still have trouble, I'll load up on the apps I need and work with you again on it, unless someone else steps in with a more efficient solution .

 

OK, that page states right up front:

"Note: this does not work for .RAM playlist files or rstp:// streams, use the Tara plugin instead (just remove ra & rm from the extension list in tara.ini)."

and

"Note: Whether you use the DShow or Tara method, you will still need to install Real Alternative (installation of Real Player is not recommended)."

so i must ask: do you have the TARA plugin?

since i have extracted the ra files, i would think they are no longer "rstp streams", but who knows. i'm gonna plug in Tara and give it a try.

also: do you have Real Alternative?

i did back in the beginning, but since things didn't progress, i scrapped it and went to the full player. then again, we're talking winamp here, so what are they even TALKING about?! isn't Real Alternative a player in its own right, not some sort of winamp plugin?

anyway, i guess i can DL/reinstall that as well, but first let me know abt Tara....

oh, btw, i'm on XP. i wouldn't think that would make any difference on stuff like this, but who knows. everything runs better in W7....

 

Right . The file you are playing is not a playlist file, nor is it going to be streaming, due to the slow nature of your connection. That's why you had to use the Orbit downloader and download the file, and then try to play it . I got it working exactly as i explained up top. But you know that already.
In any case, once you have the file downloaded, just follow the instructions in the first paragraph, including downloading the real player alternative from the link provided . That may be the missing link here, as i had no problem whatsoever getting the file to play . Like i mentioned, the progress bar and time played/time remaining didn't function but the file played flawlessly .

I did NOT have the TARA plugin and am unfamiliar with it. That appears to be for dealing with streaming files, which is not what we are doing. It appears to me that TARA is not the answer .

The Real Alternative they link you to appears to be a codec that would be used by other media players, as well as browsers for streaming content (well, not in your case lol)

So, what i would do is follow the instructions in the forum post, I think what you are missing is the Real Alternative, just DL that from the link given in the post .
PLEASE make sure that, in case you played with TARA, you have RA & RM in the in_dshow extension list!
Please let me know how things turn out. I'll check back after work tomorrow. Good Luck !

 

Hoo boy, i'm getting dizzy. RealAlt was indeed a player, not a codec or other plugin. I still can't even grasp what they're talking about there -- if you have the right extensions listed under DirectShow in Winamp then Winamp will call RealAlt or otherwise somehow piggyback off of it? Is that what they mean??

Well, if it is, then I'll just state that...it doesn't. Winamp struggles with the clips the exact same way it did before installing RealAlt. No signs it's calling RealAlt or anything.

And RealAlt the player can't handle them either. I get the following error msg:

-----
The following pin(s) failed to find a connectable filter:

C:\..\\0102111.ra::Output 00 (Audio Stream)

Media Type 0:
--------------------------
Audio: RealAudio COOK 22050Hz mono

AM_MEDIA_TYPE:
majortype: MEDIATYPE_Audio {73647561-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}
subtype: Unknown GUID Name {4B4F4F43-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}
formattype: FORMAT_WaveFormatEx {05589F81-C356-11CE-BF01-00AA0055595A}
bFixedSizeSamples: 1
bTemporalCompression: 1
lSampleSize: 8928
cbFormat: 105

WAVEFORMATEX:
wFormatTag: 0x2004
nChannels: 1
nSamplesPerSec: 22050
nAvgBytesPerSec: 0
nBlockAlign: 558
wBitsPerSample: 16
cbSize: 0 (extra bytes)

pbFormat:
0000: 04 20 01 00 22 56 00 00 00 00 00 00 2e 02 10 00 . .."V..........
0010: 00 00|2e 72 61 fd 00 05 00 00 2e 72 61 35 00 00 ...raý.....ra5..
0020: 00 10 00 05 00 00 00 46 00 07 00 00 02 2e 00 00 .......F........
0030: 00 00 00 03 aa b4 00 00 00 00 00 10 02 2e 00 5d ....ª´.........]
0040: 00 00 00 00 56 22 00 00 56 22 00 00 00 10 00 01 ....V"..V"......
0050: 67 65 6e 72 63 6f 6f 6b 01 07 00 00 00 00 00 08 genrcook........
0060: 01 00 00 02 02 00 00 18 00 .........

 

I think this boils down to the fact that rtsp is a streaming protocol AND this file has an unusual audio type, if the actual file were to be converted to a playable/downloadable filetype, you wouldn't have this problem.

Try contacting the publishers with your problem, they may point you to (or create) a downloadable version.

 

You can and I did download the .ra file in question (using Orbit Downloader), and after looking at the thread linked above and adding the ;RA;RM;RMVB to the end of the extension list, the .ra file played just fine in Winamp. As I mentioned earlier, the progress bar and timer didnt work, but the file played just fine, the entire thing played, I let it play to the end .
Honestly I don't know what to do at this point, if I could get my hands on CatT's machine, i'm certain I could figure a way to get the file to play.
Since it worked fine on my machine, and CatT's is configured the same way, then the only difference I can see is the OS . I don't know how the OS would play into this .
I guess we need to call some higher powers into this thread because I just don't know what to do at this point . CatT maybe you could download this : http://majorgeeks.com/XRECODE_d5957.html
If that freeware does what it says, you should be able to convert your .ra files : "+ RA to WMA, RA to OGG, RA to WAV, RA to FLAC, RA to APE, RA to AAC, RA to AC3, RA to Wavpack " .
Maybe you could give that a shot ?

 

Hey FED UP,

Could you try videocacheview, see if it picks up the filetype and copies/plays it, please? I'm on TeamViewer currently, trying to diagnose a friend's problems.

 

yeppers

 

Seems to work ok. Didn't try it on the .ra file, but this is another possible solution for CatT .
Very small app, fast download, easy interface .
Works with IE and Firefox .

 

HALLELUIAH!!!!

converted to MP3s with xrecode, opened in VLC (my default until all this started), and -- viola! -- they played just fine!

i dunno if any of the other 8-9 formats would have worked as well; once i had success with MP3, i stopped experimenting.

btw, i actually HAD apps similar to xrecode already, but they couldn't load the clips in the first place. in fact, i even tried listening to them from inside audacity; no such luck. so there was something significantly diff about xrecode.

didn't get around to videocacheview. right now i have several hours of, um, "New Years Specials" to catch up on....

 

Excellent news, thanks for the feedback

 

Well good news to start my day. I took extra time before work this morning just to see if you had posted. Glad to hear it works.

 

ok, curiosity got the better of the ole CatT here. i ended up converting a sample clip to *all* of the outputs possible. wherein:

ape
flac
mp3
ogg
wav
wv

all play perfectly, including counter.

aac -- counter off a bit (5mins where should be 3); clip pays, sorta, but sounds like guy gargling
m4a -- counter waaaaaaaaay off (20mins where should be 3); clip won't play
wma -- won't even convert; error msg from XRecord

btw, these are the 9 filetypes as seen inside the "multiple" setting. but out front the options are

aac
alac
ape
flac
mp3
ogg
wav
wavpack
wma

removing the items which match, we are left with:

m4a
wv

in the inside batch and

alac
wavpack

in the outside. what's the deal? are these alternate names for the same apps? i.e. m4a = alac and wv = wavepack?

well, google seems to agree, but you'd think XRecord would keep the names consistent from one click to the next!!

 

incidentally, after all this, it turns out they were the WRONG CLIPS!!!!

so much for hope. it appears the special was the prior week (26 Dec)....

:cry

 

At least you are now able to get the media files and listen to them !
You learned some things in the process .
Maybe you could e-mail them and ask them to e-mail you the set you wanted - tell them you were having computer problems and now that you have resolved them, you would like to listen to the Chinese Takeout special !

 

there is NO chance they will provide those files. they were the ones, after all, who put up all these obstacles to DLing them in the FIRST place!

anyway, yeah, live and learn. i'll be ahead of the curve NEXT year....

tx again!

 

There ya go ;-)