sink sank sunk?

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by CatT, Nov 28, 2009.

  1. CatT

    CatT I can't follow the rules

    Linguistics question: I use "the boat sank" and "the boat has sunk", which I believe is standard in the US. Yet I casually stated "[the concept] never really sunk in" in a thread just now. If someone said "...never really sank in", I'd probably find it acceptable, but I definitely default to "...sunk in" here.

    WHY? This is not suddenly a transitive usage, nor any sort of tense change. There is no reason whatsoever to use "sunk" there, unless it is a British usage or something which is preserved only in this idiom.

    Any insights?
     
  2. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    Some phrases become used and excepted whether they make sense or are grammatically correct. Sadly, I can't think of any others right now, but there generally if you change a word, even to make it grammatically correct, it just doesn't 'make sense'.
     
  3. CatT

    CatT I can't follow the rules

    Ungrammatical phrases in common use? WHUDA THUNKIT!
     
  4. KingSteve

    KingSteve MajorGeek

    apparently sunk has an adjective form meaning doomed or done for, as well as verb.
    and sank just has the same verb definitions as sunk...:confused

    english is weird.
     
  5. Gensuknives

    Gensuknives Grand pooty-meister

    Especially in the south. Here in Texas, you can get away with sunked, probably.
     
  6. Rikky

    Rikky Wile E. Coyote - One of a kind

    I think sank sounds right all the the time but you have to add an adjective to sunk to make it sound right, "Yeah the boat sank." Sounds fine to me but sunk sounds iffy without an adjective after it,as in "yeah the boat sunk!" But I think this sounds right "Yeah the boat sunk deeper."
     
  7. rustyjack

    rustyjack MajorGeek

    Hiya CatT after all that, what i want to know is have those answers, sink in, i mean sank in, i mean sunk in ! :-D
    I mean why don't you think, thunk, i mean thank everyone for their answers ! :-D
     
  8. CatT

    CatT I can't follow the rules

    I think Rikky is on to something. They are adverbs, not adjectives, but still.

    Forget the "concept" detour. Even with the basic example, I'd go with "The boat sank" but "The boat never sunk". Perhaps it's some sort of blurring with "...hasn't sunk", although I don't experience this on other verbs.

    I'm gonna go ask on a linguistics site now. This is all too subtle for we amateurs....
     
  9. rustyjack

    rustyjack MajorGeek

    CatT it's all about past tense, post tense, and pre tense, when it comes to words that are used in a sentence, post and pre being more or less the same i:e
    Is the boat going to sink ( post tense, it may be about to happen )
    The boat is going to sink ( you are talking about pre tense, as it happens or is happening )
    The boat has sank ( past tense, it has already happened )
    The boat is/has sunken ( past tense again, it has happened and is at the bottom of the sea / river ) when using words like sank, sunk, sink, you have to remember in which part of the sentence the word is said or placed and how it is said !
    " I think the boat is sinking "
    " Yes it is sinking, in fact it has/had already sank "
    " OH ! Look it has sunken to the very bottom of the sea "
    I know this is totally an off the word way of thinking about it but it's a bit like a pregnancy you have Anti-natal, Pre-natal and Post-natal, before, during and after !
     
  10. Mimsy

    Mimsy Superior Imperial Queen of the MG Games Forum

    One sink, many sinks :p
     
  11. rustyjack

    rustyjack MajorGeek

    Hey Mims you don't want too many sinks, because i'll make you do the washing up in one of them ! :p:-D
     
  12. Mimsy

    Mimsy Superior Imperial Queen of the MG Games Forum

    The Guy is laughing uncontrollably behind my shoulder right now...
     
  13. Rikky

    Rikky Wile E. Coyote - One of a kind

    http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Arts-and-Literature/Question322155.html

    Sunk is the past participle according to this guy or Gal.

    Code:
    Infinitive  Simple Present  Simple Past   Past Participle  Present Participle
    
    to sink    sink(s)       sank or sunk 	        sunk 	          sinking     
    And here http://www.chompchomp.com/rules/irregularrules01.htm

    Participles

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participle
     
  14. rustyjack

    rustyjack MajorGeek

    That tickle your fella did it Mimsy ! :-D
     
  15. Phantom

    Phantom Brigadier Britches

    …Unless, of course the Galley sink in the sinking Sloop sank with the sunken sink. In which case it might be all of the above, yet none.

    …I think I need a drink, erm, drunk, err drank. ~ I have a headache!....:confused
     
  16. rustyjack

    rustyjack MajorGeek

    Thats exactly how i feel Phantom, who started all this anyway, sink sank sunk, think thank thunk, plink plank plunk ! roflmaoroflmao
     
  17. tonyhale

    tonyhale Lounge Lizard No.2

    did anyone drown ?
     
  18. BILLMCC66

    BILLMCC66 Bionic Belgian

    I sink (present), I sank (past), I have sunk (present perfect).

    "The navy sunk the pirate ship." no they didn't "They sank the ship".

    "Honey, I shrunk the kids" is grammatically incorrect. It should be "shrank" or "I've shrunk."
     

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