Stuxnet worm 'targeted high-value Iranian assets'

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by LauraR, Sep 23, 2010.

  1. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    Anyone seen this story?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11388018



    Think the 'nation state' is the US?
     
  2. augiedoggie

    augiedoggie The Canadian Loon - LocoAugie (R.I.P. 2012)

    DUH???!!! :-D However funny that may be, the US power grid is quite porous to a cyber attack and this has been reported for years. I'm surprised that there hasn't been an attack yet, that we know of.
     
  3. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Yeah Laura was reading that this morning in work and my first thought was the USA, but who knows in reality, could be countries we wouldnt think of, China prehaps...
     
  4. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    So you think it was definitely a country that was using it to target Iran?
     
  5. Caliban

    Caliban I don't need no steenkin' title!

    Power grids and water systems - wouldn't take a code writer to contaminate a fresh water reservoir.

    I've worked on PLCs (Siemens, included) - I'd hate to know that the controller for that 1,000 ton wood chipper, or that uranium fuel rod emergency ejector thingy, or whatever, had been hacked - dangerous stuff.

    Nation State? Probably. Individual or small group? Could be. Regardless, look for who would profit the most.
     
  6. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Personally yes as its a targeted attack over the usual malware that is indiscriminate in the main, what Gov who knows, as many have grudges to bare on Iran, possibles are UK, USA and Israel to name a few, and all have the capability.

    Seems alot more plausable since the UN speech from Ahmadinejad this week to be one of the nations he denounces.

    But a topic for another forum area as it could go very political and not for a tech forum.
     
  7. BoredOutOfMyMind

    BoredOutOfMyMind Picabo, ICU

  8. zapp

    zapp Staff Sergeant

    One more: this article seems to be the 'definitive':
    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/07/how-digital-detectives-deciphered-stuxnet/all/1

    and this short commentary on the above & the Vanity Fair piece:
    http://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...-sophisticated-cyberattack-in-history/241759/

    "JUL 11 2011, 12:51 PM ET5
    The story of Stuxnet, a piece of malware that almost certainly targeted an Iranian nuclear facility, is complex and dense. Most of the interesting stuff is buried in the half megabyte of code that the worm is made of, and telling a good story about the details is nearly as difficult as figuring them out in the first place.

    That's why a new story on Wired's Threat Level by Kim Zetter is such a triumph. She got access to the security researchers who deciphered the worm and figured out how to tell the most technically informed story about Stuxnet I've ever read. While it may not contain any bombshell revelations about the worm, it will still stand as the definitive story about how the worm works and how we figured that out.

    The other longform piece about Stuxnet, Michael Gross' Vanity Fair piece, a wonderfully devastating conclusion about what Stuxnet means. Zetter doesn't go into that explicitly, but by virtue of her blow-by-blow reporting about the shambling collaborative brilliance it took to reach real conclusions about the worm's behavior, we can draw a few of our own:

    1. Unless the Pentagon and NSA have access to security researchers far superior to the known experts, this country is not ready for a war that uses software to cripple real-world infrastructure.
    2. We probably won't know that who or what we're fighting until it's already on.
    3. We probably won't know we've been attacked until after its already happened, perhaps months or even years later.

    If you are interested in the future of cyberweapons, you owe it to yourself to read Zetter's piece. Even if you already know the basic features of the story, her writing and reporting will sharpen it in your mind."
     
  9. Rikky

    Rikky Wile E. Coyote - One of a kind

    What makes me wonder is if it is a nation state they would have known it would become world news so they must have damn well better have known it would work as advertised as the blowback from it could potentially be huge.

    The virus has caused absolutely no damage what so ever and has only been a minor nuisance,a sophisticated nuisance but a nuisance none the less.

    Would a state risk an all out global cyber war and/or risk its political integrity just to cause a nuisance?I actually think not,I think it will be a group of hackers.

    If it were a nation state and I had to point a finger I'd point it at Isreal,I think its something MOSAD would try and simply because they just don't give a hoot what people think of them if it did blowback.
     

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