Swine Flu

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by KathyM, May 1, 2009.

  1. KathyM

    KathyM Master Sergeant

  2. augiedoggie

    augiedoggie The Canadian Loon - LocoAugie (R.I.P. 2012)

    I know viruses are small but there's no reason to post its actual size.:p One good thing for me, people aren't buying too much pork these days so I'm filling up my freezer soon.:yum
     
  3. KingSteve

    KingSteve MajorGeek

    i blame pop media.
     
  4. augiedoggie

    augiedoggie The Canadian Loon - LocoAugie (R.I.P. 2012)

    Ya, folks just hear the news saying 200 people out of 2000 hosptalized have died and conclude a %10 kill rate which is patently false. They don't mention the likely 100,000's who felt a bit ill but got through it easily.

    It's an unknown ATM and that's what scares folks more. Heck there's some 200K hospitalizations for seasonal flu at 37K deaths every year but no one talks too much about that fact as it's 'business as usual'.:confused
     
  5. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    I agree totally Augie, with what you posted, its news and will be portrayed and a world ender! but in reality, in the majority these things fizzle out, and as you rightly said seasonal influenza can kill more, sadly this new strain of H1N1 is not well known, BUT is in the same family as the seasonal flu virus,


    But their is a rush to send it to some labs around the world for sequencing and biological analysis to get a picture of this one as it "could" well be a new pandemic virus, by sequencing they can model some scenarios to infection and sadly death rates etc.

    I have seen predictive models for H5N1 Avian Flu, which dont paint a pretty picture but most Gov docs do portray the max worst case sceario.


    The thing is to keep eye on if your area is an infected zone and limit non-essential movement and keep general good hygene standards up. Dismiss the hookum about not eating pork! thats just media and overkill.


    One to watch I feel as we are due a nasty pandemic soon.
     
  6. Sgt. Tibbs

    Sgt. Tibbs Ultra Geek

    The funny thing for me is that everyone is panicking about eating pork. You cannot get it from eating pork. It was originally thought to come from pig farms in Mexico with open-air "sanitation" ponds, but it is passed from human to human without any help from your dinner other than the fact that you're all sitting at the table together.

    And the face mask thing...that's great...if I hadn't heard no end of medical "experts" say that the virus is small enough it can easily pass through everything but a medical-grade face mask. The ones you can buy at the drug store are not medical-grade. Not only that, but it's not simply airborne, you get it through contact just like any other virus.

    I just wish doctors would stop prescribing the drugs that treat it (Tamiflu and something else I forget) for people who don't need it. There's a limited supply, so in effect by taking it when you don't need it you're potentially screwing over someone who does. Also, much like when penicillin used to be prescribed for everything, the virus will mutate and become immune to it. Then what do we do?
     
  7. KathyM

    KathyM Master Sergeant

    Yes, this is a new strain and it has the whole world on notice. I do remember the swine flu of '76 but what I don't remember is the hype.
    And Auggie is right, many people die each year from the flu.

    I do have medical grade masks that my husband and I bought when the avian flu was a scare. I also have been alot more aware of using antibacterial wash more often in such places as the grocery store and the gym.

    All joking aside - take a little extra precaution!
     
  8. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    I'm trying to grab myself a biohazard suit from work, just think of the faces on folk if I walked through the hospitals main foyer :-D

    Do have some medical wash at home, same stuff as we use in work, Purell, off-shoot story on this stuff and a hospital nearby was that the pensioners that where on some wards where poping a few squirts of this in their afternoon tea to perk it up a bit as Purell is alcohol based!
     
  9. KathyM

    KathyM Master Sergeant

     
  10. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Dont tell me that was the pic I cannot view in that thread :-o :-D
     
  11. augiedoggie

    augiedoggie The Canadian Loon - LocoAugie (R.I.P. 2012)

    Ewww!:puke I guess their taste buds aren't what they used to be.:innocent What are they, %70 alcohol? Whoopee, we're all going to die...:guitar :-D

    When mum was in the hospital, fairly often too, I'd hit the public dispensers when I got in the hospital rubbing the wheelchair down, just the hands when I got to her room and doing the chair again as I left, we have a fairly serious bout of MSRA going around here these past few years, it's called c-difficile here.

    Also, I live with a nurse but she probably does even more than I as far as hygiene goes. The only thing I've gotten in five years was a single cold.:)

    BTW, these anti-bacterial soaps are no more effective than proper hand washing and with overuse can probably create some other super resistant bugs or just not expose a kid to various mainly benign bugs. I'll stick to the alcohol creams but not in my tea or orange juice thank you.;)
     
  12. KathyM

    KathyM Master Sergeant

    Yup!!!!!:-D
     
  13. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    I got an email from a friend about how all the stores are out of antibacterial hand sanitizers. rolleyes Just wash your hands.

    Just as always, the people that need to be careful are those with compromised/weak systems. It's all so blown out of proportion.
     
  14. KathyM

    KathyM Master Sergeant

    Hey LauraR - I went to the Dollar store yesterday and there were tons of bins with the hand sanitizers. They are good for a quick wash but nothing beats plain old soap & water..
     
  15. KathyM

    KathyM Master Sergeant

  16. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    lol...too funny on the full bins. She told everyone she emailed that she got the last one at the one drug store around here. LOL
     
  17. Sgt. Tibbs

    Sgt. Tibbs Ultra Geek

  18. Rikky

    Rikky Wile E. Coyote - One of a kind

    I have Bio-Chemical warfare grade Gas mask,I'd wear it all the time but it scares people:-D

    http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b214/Rikky_/gasmask1.jpg

    I just don't care really as I didn't when cows went Mad.
     
  19. Mimsy

    Mimsy Superior Imperial Queen of the MG Games Forum

    Kind of have to agree... last time I checked, flu is only deadly to infants and the elderly, and those who already are in poor health. Since I'm not in either group, I'm not that worried, especially not since my mom (who's worked as a nurse almost her entire life) taught me from an early age to always, always, always wash my hands before touching food or eating utensils.

    I'm 31 and healthy. I'd have to help the flu out quite a bit before it manages to kill me. :)
     
  20. Phantom

    Phantom Brigadier Britches

    Swine Flew??....:confused http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g309/Zobor/2009_New/pig1.gif


    Oh, it's da other kind. I have the Flu Vac. shot, because I'm an Asthmatic, but then again it won't do much if I contract Swine Flu. Guess I'll be keeping away from swine for a while, then ;).That gas mask will come in handy for your next cuury night, Rikky. :-D
     
  21. Rikky

    Rikky Wile E. Coyote - One of a kind

    :-D Finally pigs can fly,funny you say that I had curry last night...
     
  22. EscapeCat

    EscapeCat Private First Class

    I agree with a lot of what has been said here already. The only concern (besides the annoyingly hyped up media), is that the people who DID die in Mexico were healthy 20, 30, and 40 year-olds with healthy immune systems, and 3 - 4 kids. It wasn't older people, infants, or people with compromised immune systems. :confused THAT bothers me, since the experts have said that's commonly a sign of a pandemic... I know we're "due" for one, so maybe I'll just go out and get myself a hazmat suit, fill up my frige and cupboards with food, and quit my job. :p

    Nah, I'll just keep washing my hands like a mad woman. ;)
     
  23. Cat_w_9_lives

    Cat_w_9_lives Major KittyCat

    We've had a email a day from HR because of this, latest is if you get sick - stay home! Most of it is just common sense stuff like hand washing, cough into a tissue; toss tissue.
     
  24. Triaxx2

    Triaxx2 MajorGeek

    Nuts to that, I hack over the shoulder of the nearest person. Gotta get those germs away from me. :D

    Of course, I'm not concerned in the slightest. Why? I've never ever subscribed to the 'Anti-bacterial everything' theory. If you don't build up an immunity by exposure, you're turning yourself into a health hazard.
     
  25. Cat_w_9_lives

    Cat_w_9_lives Major KittyCat

    *smiles* a lot of us got the flu a few months ago re someone coming into work sick, so we all went to her cube when we had coughing fits, we're evil and wanted to give it back to her!

    Most of us ended up taking days off and multiple dr. visits before we got rid of it. If you want to build up your immunity come visit us, we passed the same virus around all winter, we should be immune to anything by now.
     
  26. watchntv

    watchntv Private E-2

    I thought I had the Swine Virus a few days ago, I ran ad-ware and SpyBot and that cleared it right up.
     
  27. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Spread models are ever growing on this to numbers "known" to be positive for H1N1 but outside Mexico and that one case in USA (which I gather was a Mexican child) is that no deaths are yet confirmed in other countries, which gives me a few thoughts...

    1. This virus strain was not indigenous to Mexico and was brought in from outsider, hence likelihood of no built up immunity.

    2. Was origin of Mexico but other factors or disease local are factor.

    3. Built up immunity to seasonal influenza in other areas USA, Canada, UK etc have lessened the virus's effect.


    the spread model does show how a pandemic will grow http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8021547.stm move slider all way to left then start going right, whether we are going to get one is still to be seen, while the hype in media to gloom and doom is usual media stuff these days to fill column inches and webpages can over exaggerate, the flip side of complacency would be our downfall.



    I have for many years said same as Triaxx2 in that we are to reliant of antibacterials and antibiotics have been handed out like sweets (candy) which has likely lessened our resilience to many bugs.
     
  28. Burning_Monkey

    Burning_Monkey MajorGeek

    there are more cases in the USA, but only the one terminal case so far.

    this is going to become the bane of my existence here pretty soon
     
  29. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Sadly one death now is in Texas of a native resident of the USA http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8034991.stm but have to also think that if an undelying chronic condition aswell not named afaik, could ahve been part of cause due to compromised immune system.

    Hi BM, ideed I can imagine its causing some ill founded panic in your industry.
     
  30. joey off the street

    joey off the street Lounge Lizard No.1

    I too also thought I had swine flu. I had a terrible rasher, but it cleared up fine when I applied oinkment.

     
  31. Rikky

    Rikky Wile E. Coyote - One of a kind

    Damn man I just remembered you work at a pig farm I feel like a bit of a jerk joking about it in my sig now.
     
  32. Speculant

    Speculant The Confused One

    i heard a pretty funny joke at school the other day...

    "I once heard a man say that if Obama was elected president, pigs would fly. About 4 months into his presidency we got the swine flu."

    (dont hate on me, i think Obama is alright. it is a funny joke though)
     
  33. Rikky

    Rikky Wile E. Coyote - One of a kind

    It just came on the news that countries are banning American pork even though there is no link between pig flu and eating pork.

    Its hard to feel sorry for you guys though you were quick to ban ALL our beef products during the mad cow scare.
     
  34. joey off the street

    joey off the street Lounge Lizard No.1

    My wife has swine flu. She hogs the bed.
    Seriously, it has been revealed that what we have witnessed is only the tip of the iceberg as far as the virus is concerned.
    The authorities are forecasting an aporkalypse on a grand scale. Maybe even Hamageddon. rolleyes
     
  35. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    LMAO :)




    In seriousness mode, authorities always predict gloom and doom and in the most this incident is hitting mid pages of the newspapers these days! but its not to be taken lightly as I know in our work we still have a daily sitrep on cases found in UK, and the NHS has ordered 90m does of the vaccine of H1N1 when its made from SKB, but they are predicting that this may hit harder in winter months, but a vaccine developed now IMHO maybe only in part a cure as the virus will mutate as it travels the globe.

    Whether this is a new pandemic is still to be seen as we dont normally see the case by case positive infections in graphic models like we are seeing this one opposed to seasonal flu which may actually have killed more last year than this one!! not to say we need to be complacent.
     
  36. Paxton007

    Paxton007 MajorGeek

    I have a cousin who grabs the nearest persons hands and uses them to cover her mouth when she has to sneeze, it's really funny. LOL
     
  37. augiedoggie

    augiedoggie The Canadian Loon - LocoAugie (R.I.P. 2012)

    Yup, in the US there's 37K deaths per year from seasonal flu so this one seems like a joke in comparison ATM. What the pundits don't know is its lethality rate as there's not much hard data yet.

    We'll see in the fall and at least we got a jump start on it and everyone's going to be watching out and know what to look for. Many countries have at least had the chance to try out some of their precautionary procedures and assess the efficacy or lack there of over the next few months.
     
  38. Paxton007

    Paxton007 MajorGeek

    I agree, I wonder how many people have died in the world from Heart Disease since the words swine & flu have been put together. I don't think it's anything worth worrying about.
     
  39. tonyhale

    tonyhale Lounge Lizard No.2

    rang the swine flu help line, couldn't get through, all i got was a lot of crackling
     
  40. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Agreed 100% Augie, think where I work we are 90% ready for a pandemic, we did have a major alert last winter on seasonal flu which stretched the hospital IIRC

    Indeed Paxton and at least two of the USA deaths have been from what I have read from other medical issues, one with a heart issue and one with a chronic medical condition so may not have been the H1N1 virus that was the main cause of the sad death. A does of influenza combined with another illness or weak immune system will cause the person to have a much greater risk of death than a healthy person from this strain or for that matter any influenza strain. Not read much on any other countries patiend deaths from this outside Mexico yet as been busy doing crash course on advanced diabetes diagnosis, this disease kills more each year than influenza, due to the following complications if not managed correctly!

    Press latches onto a story that is shock and awe, while many diseases that kill more are nto hyped in my very humble opinion.
     
    Last edited: May 15, 2009
  41. mcadam

    mcadam Major Amnesia

    Meh, the population of the world could do with being cut a little bit. And I'm just saying what you're all thinking...
     
  42. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Lets start with students ;) :p
     
  43. Paxton007

    Paxton007 MajorGeek

    Interesting HALO, but what I meant is when we're done talking about H1N1, I wonder if the media published a story titled X amount of people died of H1N1, X amount of people never had H1N1 and died of heart disease, which X would be greater.

    I think you got there by the end of your post though.
     
  44. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Yeah thought I typed that wrong way around Paxton and indeed many other diseases kill more per year.

    Still not that we need to dismiss H1N1 or H5N1 as they have the potential to kill millions, as H1N1 in 1918 killed 40m but this was in an age of less medical technology and medicines. H3N2 in 1969 killed near 1m but where many of these as a result of other underlying condictions as many affected are elderly.
     
  45. Phantom

    Phantom Brigadier Britches


    ..Let's start with Mac users!...:-D
     

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