The New Pentagon Video

Have any of you seen the newly released video of the 9/11 Pentagon Video? i.e., it was one of the video's that was confiscated from a hotel security camera within ten minutes of the attack. It's amazing how there is still no visible trace of a Boeing jetliner...

 

No, but...I won't be surprised if this turns into another one of those things like with the Kennedy assassination...with all the speculation and conspiracy theorys and all that crap!!

Give it about another 10 years and Oliver Stone will probably make a movie that insinuates the government was involved in some way...or they knew it was coming...kind of like with the bombing of Pearl Harbor!!

Roger

 

link?

 

Too Late

 

history repeats itself. The entire US airforce could not hold a boing away from the Pentagon? pff...

 

nice link goldfish! Wanna bet if the guy is still out there or has been mysteriously disappeared?

 

I didn't know the "entire" US Air Force was around the Pentagon at the time of the crash.

Let's note a couple things here, remedial science is helpful:

1-When really fast airplanes hit really reinforced bulldings, like the Pentagon, the building will win.
2-Missiles don't leave impact areas like this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/star17abby/pentagon.gif

This is the impact crater fromn Flight 93 in Pennsylvania; look carefully, you'll see no plane. This is what happens when really fast planes hit really hard ground. Sorry, no hotel security camera footage available.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/star17abby/flight93.gif

We handed him over to the Russians for his complementary Plutonium cocktail...a compassionate goverment we are.

Actually, I deduced all this from my office here at Area 51, which has a really nice view of a Grassy Knoll. Now you'll pardon me while Gazoo and I watch some football.

 

ok I admit sometimes we are being a little exessive on these matters and I don't believe in stories about area 51 or spies neither but something doesn't seem right. I don't feel comfortable talking about it on the web.

 

Oh come on...this isn't China.

 

hmm, maybe not, but can you catch plutonium poisoning off the interweb? -looks suspisiously around-

 

Only if you illegally download mp3's.

 

Crap! I thought that was movies!

 

ok... I don't know if you talk about these things in US (sure you do). Just think about the outcome of the latest liberating wars. Afganistan and Iraq were supposed to have neuclear weapons and stuf hidden somewhere. Did anyone ever see a little piece of them? No. Bin Laden, the suposed Al Quida leader did we ever find him? No.
A few weeks after the IDs of the hijackers were published, people appeared in Arabic countries saying "no, that's me and I am still here!". The world thought that the hijackers had fake IDs with them. Is it likely that Arabs living in developing countries, bearing hunger every day did all these things? I say that the only crime Arabs commited is to be born in a place where petroil is more than water.
These are my thoughts....

 

Anyone got a link of this video,I'm sick of looking on google

 

This is in response to Star17's first post. Quick Disclaimer; This is not to start a battle, it's just something to think about.

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The Target: The Pentagon
The Weapon: A Boeing 757-200.
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The Schematics of a 757-200

Wingspan: 124' 10''
Height: 44' 6''
Length: 155' 3''

Image for Reference:

http://www1.airliners.net/info/pics/3view-757-200.gif


Alright, you have the size of a 757, and you want to say that it only made a hole of that size not leaving any damage where the wings or turbine engines would have entered? Watch the video's of the planes hitting the WTC, tower 2 especially, you clearly see wing entry damage. Also, if you remember correctly, when the Pentagon was first hit, it was only the ground floor, the four upper floors did not collapse until after. With that in mind, you want to say that a 44' 6'' tall aircraft fit inside a 10' foot high space. Also, you think something traveling at 300mph would damage more than just the outer ring of a building.

Image for Reference:

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/images/avion-incrustation.jpg

For the conclusion of this post, jetliners have crashed before, there is always debris, even when they explode or catch fire, yet, both the Pentagon and PA had no debris, your looking at nearly 400sq. ft of nearly 100tons of metal and it was all completely reduced to nothing?

 

the building was intact after the impact. It was the fire which caused the roof to later collapse. If you read information regarding the amount of fuel which ws on the apparent plane the explosion should have been much bigger plus the area damaged is way too small for it to have been caused by a jet of that size. Also there was a hole which penetrated 3 of the pentagon rings which is far smaller that the fueslage of the plane!!!!! From a recent documentary i saw called "In plane sight" it looks lke a missile hit the pentagon and they back this up with some very convincing evidence!!!!

 

I'll reply in this once more and be done with it; things like this can be debated until the cows come home, and frankly, they're getting quite boring and stale.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/star17abby/plane2.gif

Using your provided photo, you can clearly see the shape of the damage is quite similar to the silhouette of the plane. That explains itself. Again, the Pentagon is a heavily reinforced building, built differently than your average structure. There's not likely to be anything left after an impact with at, especially at speed.

Airline crashes that feature large pieces of fuselage remained were not as a result of a nose-in crash. And those are usually from lower altitudes at lower speeds.

Government mistrust is a common malady these days; no government is immune from it. In most countries, you can speak out against your leaders and not suffer any consequences, but there are a select few countries that still think this is the darks ages with their penalties for doing so.

Conspiracies are a popular subject for discussion, and some actually cause food for thought. But it's also an easy way to show ones' ignorance if not fully informed. People debate such events as The Hindenberg disaster, Pearl Harbor, JFK's assination, RFK's assination, the Moon Landings, etc. because it's good discussional fodder based mostly, but not always, on mistrust. That's understandable, but paranoia can be a bad thing.

I appreciate your views on this and hope you can mine; it's just a difference in theories and that's all well and good.

 

It's all interesting, to say the least...however I honestly don't think about it that much...other than the fact that A LOT of innocent people lost their lives for no reason other than some wacko didn't like our ideals as a whole!! Whether it be from some jackass from wherever discreetly shot a missile...or some nutcase that didn't care, drove a plane into the ground!!

Never-the-less...all this speculation, is only a theory until it is proven other otherwise!!!!

I mean, afterall...Elvis is alive and living in Mexico...or Hawaii...oh no wait a minute...I think he is now in South America somewhere!!

Wait a minute...maybe Elvis is the one that orchestrated all this mess!?!? LMAO

Again...

Roger

 

Alrighty, using one of Star's photo's:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/star17abby/pentagon.gif

Keep in mind, just like the planes that hit the WTC, This plane was loaded for a trans-continental flight, in other words, at least 8,000 gallons of jet-fuel.

Okay, on to my point, Look at the fourth floor, see that filing cabinet with the computer monitor on it? Look at the third floor, see that wooden desk? Look at the second floor, see that stool with an open book on it? You want to say all of those things were left undamaged in an 8,000+ gallon fuel fire ball?

 

Impact or fire damage, technically the line has to be drawn somewhere, where the damage goes from being damaged to not touched.

And if fuel has a high enough flash point...it will damage only what is directly touched but nothing just to the other side, and then poof the flame is gone. atleast what was the fuel burning.

Roger

 

Yup.


God, why am I wasting time on this....

Look at the roof, the roof collapsed, it took the wall with it and left some things intact. Google bomb damage images, you'll find photos of things surviving all types of explosions and implosions.

I get the feeling here that no matter what I say, you'll dig something up to try and refute it, so I'll reiterate that I'm out of this. If you think the government is up to no good in all this and other activities, that's your right. But if a hurricane hits Pinellas County and blows your house to Largo, you have no problems with FEMA, right?

Later.

 

Blah, don't bring something like that up now, that's just being dirty. Anyway, theres no use in arguing about this, lets just sit back, think what we believe, enjoy our geek machines and sip an ice cold beer, eh?

 

If you'll notice in the photo when the building collapsed it pulled the wall away that was protecting the book and stool which was a couple of feet thing concrete wall which them exposed them,they were completely protected until the collapse

If you watch the frames of the pentagon hit which were a second apart,you'll notive that the fireballlast a few seconds and is thick deep flame that could only be produced by a fuel air mix,the flame of RDX used in missiles only has a brief flash,many people see a cruise missle clip and compare the two forgetting one fact the military use cameras that take 1000 frames per second compared to the pentagon that was 1 frame per second,the fireball is often over within 0.01 of a second unless there are secondary explosions such as fuel storage,the pentagon was an empty concrette bulding the only thing tha could have caused the fireball like that was a huge quantity of fuel

 

I keep hearing this crap about no debris at the pentagon
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m270/mgpower0/image062.jpg

bottom left pic shows a hell of a lot of debris from something a lot bigger than a missile.

 

Also if you want to bring up the rediculous lose change video, made by some uni kid that couldn't get into film school, its only fair to watch this vid that debunks every half a***d point he tries to put forward.
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

And yes the guy that made loose change is still alive, the government has better things to do than than chase around ever tinfoil hat wearing clown that thinks they know what happened.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

 

I see two things.

The image matches the hole pretty closely, even to holes in the wings.

At the speeds it was moving at it would imbed itself in the building, all the plane debree is inside the building. If you watch the videos of the twin towers you'll see the aircraft go through the towers, if not intact.

 

You forgot all the eye witnesses on the ground who saw the airliner hit the Pentagon. It's laughable that you're playing around with this dopey missile theory.

 

He aint so bad

http://www.roger-moore.com/

 

forget about the missles! Ok a plane hit the pentagon and the twin towers. The thing is who made the plane crash?
Here we're not talking about people going to the Moon or Elvis living or not. This event gave the right to a goverment (I don't use the word nation, neither country cuz I don't believe all Americans agree to it) to invade another. Do you believe all that stuf about "liberating" Middle East?! Let me repeat : Has anyone found the Iraqi neuclear weapons that were supposed to hit Europe? No. The marines just went in and out, established a more cooperative government and now oil goes for 70$ a barrel!

 

ok sorry if I offended you MA. Maybe you have a friend or somethin there .I admit that the "in and out" was stupid but I (not only I, everyone I had talked to until this thread) see these wars to be pointless. I can't face you guys, you're like all from US and I am the only European.
This is getting too hot to discuss and I am afraid it may further affect our relationships in the site so I give up. After all, what do we know about politics? I'll forget the whole thing...

 

as much as i hate American politics, to suggest that those attacks were carried out by our own government, is ridiculous to the point of idiocy. come on!! so people have profited, there has always been profit in conflict. yes bush is an idiot, but a mass murderer? believe me , you couldnt be more scathing of this government than i am, and even i dont buy that.

 

Whether you believe in this war or not...

Our fighting guys and gals are the best! I'm sending some simple gifts for a few. You know, things like Slim Jims and maybe some Jerkey. Stuff they can remember home by (and not spoil).

There's a thought, Muslims eating Slim Jims.

Ah, now this is the right post...

 

good to see that we're getting back to the friendly talk.
Oh god, after I said those things I am sure NSA will trace me and...(oh oh oh here you go again *slams head on keyboard*. No more conspiracy!! )

 

I don't know if anyone noticed, but there was a ground shadow just before the explosion in the one one youtube video. I don't think it was a bird!

 

What video linky linky!

 

You are not going to believe this...I clicked the link yesterday and I saw a video (I think it was captioned as a hotel security camera) of the Pentagon seconds before the crash and in the frame before the explosion and the frame before explosion there WAS a shadow on the ground, then the explosion. Today, I can't find it! Anyway, here was the link I clicked. Maybe you can find the footage. I could not get the full loose change videos to run and then I got that short footage of the explosion.
Too Late

 

I'll pass

 

I wasn't kidding, Rikky...Somewhere on that site is the video I saw. Not trying to start another conspiracy theory......
Did anyone else see the footage I told Rikkky about?

 

Not saying you are,I aint watching loose change again or any of the other clips to find one frame,if you find it post it

 

Still can't find the one I saw yesterday, Rikky but here is one from CNN that shows a frame with the plane hitting the Pentagon. This is the same hotel security camera view I told you about.
http://www.cnn.com/video/portable/p.../mcintyre.911.pentagon.video.affl&source=pop/

 

Thats not the hotel,its two of the pentagon checkpoint cameras

 

I coulda swore the video I saw yesterday said hotel, but this was the same wiew...I was wondering why there would be a hotel next to the Pentagon