what kind of heatsink fan?

I'm building my first comp and I have a few questions. I have all the stuff ready to order I think but not sure if I'm missing anything


Cdrom: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118040

Processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727

Ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231310

Harddrive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136534

Case+power supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.523819

video card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125327

arctic silver compound

motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130269

only thing I can think of is the cpu fan? what kind would you guys recommend? also do i need to buy cables or anything? am I missing anything else? or should I change anything? I read most of the reviews for the items and picked out what looked the best by those also the negative reviews which were replied to by the company. my budget is around 800$

 

Nice build. it looks like your going to need a second sata cable, one comes w/ mobo. You need one for hard drive and one for dvd player. For an after market cooler I would go w/ COOLER MASTER hyper 212 plus, $ 29.99 /$7.56 shipping on newegg. You also might want to get one or two case fans. Your case only has one. Do you have all the proper cables going from graphics card to monitor/tv? What about OS? I have the sapphire 5770 vapor x card, works great and stays nice and cool. enjoy your new toy, bunkachunk........

 

Keep in mind, that the cpu comes with a fan. I'm not up on AMD cpu's but I've always been happy with the stock coolers for intel chips. Unless of course you plan on overclocking.

btw, i might be going crazy, but when did the black editions start coming with the fans? I always thought they didn't.


edit- after reading some reviews, it sounds as if the stock cpu fan is not so good, lots of complaints about it being too loud.

 

H50 or H70 keep it simple:

http://www.corsair.com/products/h50/default.aspx

 

Understand using a 3rd party cooler on retail (not OEM) versions of AMD (and Intel) CPUs that come with heat sink fan assemblies voids the warranty!!! And damage attributed to overclocking is not covered under any CPU, motherboard, or cooler warranty either, regardless any overclocking features or software provided by motherboard makers. Certainly, this is not a concern for some enthusiasts. But it is a concern for many others, and everyone should be aware of it.

I typically come under attack by the uninformed any time I point this out but note I am just the messenger! Read your warranties. It's in there! But to save you time, here's AMD's policy.

AMD CPU Warranty Information (their bold)

This Limited Warranty shall be null and void if the AMD microprocessor which is the subject of this Limited Warranty is used with any heatsink/fan other than the one provided herewith.

This limited warranty does not cover damages due to external causes, including improper use, problems with electrical power, accident, neglect, alteration, repair, improper installation, or improper testing.
​

The good news is since both AMD and Intel warranty their boxed CPUs for three years, and since replacing them at their cost is not something they want to do, both make excellent cooling solutions both in terms of cooling abilities, but also in noise levels.

 

Yup Bill, true enough. I would 'burn-in' my CPU first if I was sticking with the stock HS/F or going 3rd party and/or OC'ing which I've done. At least one can find out with some certainty as to the status of one's build, easy enough to do while still on a bench before one makes the changes.

@Bold Eagle-Yup on the H50! My i7 930 is @ 3.8GHz/75C and the thing looks very nice and clean in the case. I'll likely add a second fan in a push-pull.:major

 

Don't forget to factor in the costs of an operating system and an UPS/battery backup.

 

Also, it is the case's job to expel the heat from inside the case. Even the best heatsink fan assembly is restricted if all it has is hot air to blow around. So, IMO, it is best to make sure you have good front to back "flow" through the case first, regardless if overclocking or not.

I agree 100%. Though I would add, like PSUs, not all are equal. Get a "good" UPS with AVR - automatic voltage regulation.

 

Yes, AMD and Intel reject warranty claims for stupid human tricks such as bent pins, water damage and obvious signs of meltdown caused by overclocking. The reality, however, is that (short of water damage caused by a liquid CPU cooler) neither mfr. knows what you were using as a CPU cooler when the CPU crapped out.

If you decide you want to upgrade the CPU cooler, simply keep the OEM one. In the unlikely event AMD or Intel request the fan be shipped back with the RMA, set the CPU on the OEM fan and smear the thermal grease so it appears the OEM fan and CPU were used together.

If you are planning to play with overclocking (even though it may void the warranty), an upgraded CPU fan is a must along with case fans to suck the hot air out. In electronics retail, I saw at least 2-3 customers a week who fried their CPU by attempting overclocking with the stock CPU fan and/or a lack of proper ventilation.

I've also seen OEM CPU fans bite it before the three year mark. If this happens, set the OEM fan aside (see above) and buy a replacement locally. An OEM-grade replacement fan is usually about $10-$15 - a bargain compared to spending $5 or so to mail the dead fan back and living without the PC for 2 weeks or more until the replacement arrives.​

 

Yeah, that's right. You can simply lie and tamper with the evidence, then feign innocence to intentionally deceive AMD or Intel, if fraudulent behavior is in your character! But make no mistake. If you do something wrong, and pretend it didn't happen, that's deception. And if you then use deception for personal gain, such as obtaining free replacement parts by lying, or by omitting the truth, you have committed a fraud.

Is it likely you will get away with it? Yes. Does that make it right? No!

So my advice is, don't follow the above advice. Use the OEM fan. If you choose to use a 3rd party fan instead, that's fine. But if something goes wrong, be honest! Take responsibility for your own actions and tell the truth.

 

Regardless of personal opinion, what I have stated is both common knowledge and common advice given by sales associates at multiple major computer parts retailers. To borrow a line from Digerati, "Don't shoot the messenger."

Although this is getting a bit off point, I wonder if the voiding of a warranty on a CPU due to using an aftermarket CPU cooler is actually legal. Although it would not personally be worth the effort to initiate a lawsuit over a single CPU, the issue of aftermarket accessories voiding a warranty has been overturned in certain cases involving auto parts.

An example of such a modification would be adding an aftermarket oil cooler to a car or pickup truck. Unless the auto manufacturer can prove a specific warranty claim was caused by a direct cause/effect relationship relating to the upgrade (even if the warranty implies a "void" clause if aftermarket parts are used) or use of the vehicle beyond the manufacturers' stated specs (racing, excessive towing, etc.), auto manufacturers have been held liable to honor the vehicle warranty. If the same test went before a Court of Law with Intel or AMD, it would be interesting to see the verdict.

 

It has nothing to do with opinion. The law is clear and so is the warranty. And sure it is legal. They provide a more than adequate cooling solution with the CPU, and they warranty the CPU and cooling solution as a unit. As long as it is installed as per instructions and used within the terms of the warranty, should the CPU fail, they will cover it.

It is also important to note that you have a choice! If you don't want to use an OEM cooler, but you still want warranty coverage, buy an OEM CPU. Newegg sells several that don't come with heatsink fan assemblies, but do come with a 1 year warranty.

The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975 is quite clear. If the after market part fails, the car maker is NOT liable to cover damage associated with that failure. They cannot automatically void the entire warranty for the truck if you use an aftermarket cooler, but if a breakdown inspection shows signs of overheating or inadequate lubrication, repairs come out of your pocket. And the CPU makers could easily see under microscopic inspection if a CPU failed to due to heat - and they certainly have the equipment to do that, if they want to spend the time to do so.

Therefore, if you use an after market cooler, and your CPU fails due to overheating, the CPU maker is not required to honor the warranty. If you overclock the CPU, that is improper use and the warranty is void too.

And make no mistake. If you buy a fancy new Zalman cooler and it fails and destroys your CPU, Zalman will replace the cooler, but they will not replace the CPU. They don't even pretend to in their warranty.

Note that Intel's warranty information is more legal-speak, but also makes it clear.

Intel CPU Warranty Information (my bold added)

Intel warrants the Product (defined as the boxed Intel® processor and the accompanying thermal solution)... ... if the Product is properly used and installed, for a period of three (3) years. This Limited Warranty does NOT cover:

• damage to the Product due to external causes, including accident, problems with electrical power, abnormal electrical, mechanical or environmental conditions, usage not in accordance with product instructions, misuse, neglect, alteration, repair, improper installation, or improper testing; OR
• any Product which has been modified or operated outside of Intel's publicly available specifications​

So with both AMD and Intel, the warranty clearly states the CPU must be used in accordance with the instructions, and the instructions say to use the supplied cooler.

Common knowledge means nothing if it is still wrong. It is common knowledge you can pick up a copy of Windows, Office, or any CD or DVD you want for $5 or less at any flea market in any 3rd world country. That still does not make it right, or legal. It is common knowledge the software will allow you to install an OEM license for Windows purchased with your old computer onto your new computer, but that too is illegal, and therefore, not right. It is common knowledge you can roll right through a stop sign and probably get away with it. But it is not right to advise someone it is okay to do so, and also not right is instructing others on how to perpetrate fraud.

Sales associates? If you are going to believe a sales associate, someone trying to sell you that expensive after market cooler, how would you like to buy a share of the Brooklyn Bridge? I'll make you good deal.

 

Yup Ma, I OC my i7 930 to 3.8GHz ATM though realizing that one day it may all go 'poof' well before its time!:-D I'm currently replacing my stock Q6600 cooler and my PSU before the thing blows up as I run the sucker at %100 24/7, including the GPU's. What's that Latin phrase... caveat emptor I believe. There's nothing wrong with OC'ing, just do it properly. I haven't lost a CPU yet!

 

Wow, MSI only ships one data cable? Anyways, I just installed the Hyper 212+ on my Q6600 and the thing is running great! Pics to follow.

Halo, I know you have a CM 690 case and I never utilized mine to it's full potential until now with a total rebuild, meaning new cooling and PSU and had to pull the mobo out too. You might remember the mess I had with all the PSU wires at the bottom with that sucker.:-o No more man, it's as neat as one could get it now.

 

This is exactly what I said: If the failure can be proven to be a result of the aftermarket part, the mfr. is not liable. If there is no cause/effect relationship to the aftermarket part, the mfr. must honor the warranty. (I too am familiar with the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act)

Beyond this, I'm dropping the issue. Both of us have covered the topic in depth and shared good information. At this point I'll exercise my right as an American to agree to disagree. :major

 

Actually, you advised users to commit fraud, and explained how to do it by smearing paste on the heatsink to make it "appear" the OEM HSF was used.

The difference here with your after market oil cooler and the OEM HSF is you don't add the 3rd party HSF as "extra" cooling for the CPU. An aftermarket oil cooler, on the other hand, is used to "supplement" the existing cooling, not replace it. The 3rd party HSF is an unapproved alternative that replaces the supplied fan. That's a big distinction.

So,

1. 3rd party coolers don't supplement, they replace,
2. The CPU makers have no way of ensuring, or requiring 3rd party coolers provide required cooling,
3. The only way they can ensure the CPUs are adequately cooled is by providing the cooling. ​

For those reasons, and because Intel and AMD warranty their retail CPUs for 3 years, they can dictate the cooling used in the terms of the warranty agreement.