Why Is My Computer Suddenly Not Defragging??

Discussion in 'Software' started by jek1862, Apr 24, 2010.

  1. jek1862

    jek1862 Private E-2

    I've had a lot of computer problems over the years, but this one is just plain weird, to me.
    Up until yesterday, I NEVER had any problem with defragging my disk. Then I do my defragging yesterday and it simply will not defrag, not a single file! I thought it may be a problem with the defrag utility I use, Defraggler, so I downloaded two others to check it out. I DL Auslogics defrag, and the O&O defragger. Same thing, will not defrag.
    One thing I did notice on the report afterward. It says "List of LOCKED FILES". Maybe that's the reason. I don't know much about defragging, but maybe because these files are 'locked', the utility cannot defrag them. The question in my mind is HOW did these files come to be locked. I certainly haven't done anything different lately to make them so. And if this is the problem, how do I go about UNLOCKING these files? I do use a System Restore(I don't like System Restore) utility called Rollback RX, which locks the snapshots it takes of my disk, and I made sure the disk was unlocked before I did the defrag.
    So I decided to print here the report generated by O&O for your review. Maybe you can see what the problem may be and how to cure it. Thanks very much. Here is the report(notice it says the defrag files and degree of fragmentation are the SAME, before and after the defrag attempt):

    Report for volume ©
    Action carried out: SPACE
    Status: Successful
    Start: 4/23/2010 717 PM
    Finish: 4/23/2010 7:10:45 PM
    Time taken (hh:mm:ss): 00:04:28
    Volume data
    Serial number: F058-8487
    Device name: \Device\HarddiskVolume1
    File system: NTFS
    Total space: 106.08 GB (113,911,869,440 bytes)
    Free space: 83.33 GB (89,482,248,192 bytes)
    Total clusters: 27,810,515
    Free clusters: 21,846,252
    Sectors / cluster: 8
    Bytes / sector: 512
    MFT length: 109969408 bytes
    MFT mirror start: 13,905,257
    Start of MFT reserved area: 17,067,264
    End of MFT reserved area: 17,118,496
    Volume statistics
    Total no. of files: 75,709
    Total no. of directories: 17,079
    Analyzed files: 92,788
    Moved files: 0
    Fragmented files before: 1,019
    after: 1,019
    Degree of fragmentation: before: 5.407
    after: 5.407
    List of fragmented files
    Fragments No. of clusters File name
    4 26,848 C:\$MFT
    List of locked files
    Fragments No. of clusters File name
    1,149 1,156 C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download\c91af43e301542f65a88d59517636d32\
    541 8,601 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Apple Computer\Safari\SafeBrowsing.db
    274 4,402 C:\ProgramData\Avira\AntiVir Desktop\INFECTED\4f084388.qua
    238 12,950 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\FLVService\Sign In(18).bin
    210 13,668 C:\Program Files\Shield\ShdDsk.sdi
    184 1,392 C:\$Secure:$SDS:$DATA
    173 4,402 C:\ProgramData\Avira\AntiVir Desktop\INFECTED\579f6c28.qua
    153 447 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\Cache\f_000051
    135 6,677 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\FLVService\Sign In(6).bin
    133 2,069 C:\Users\John\Documents\Freecorder 4\the way we were (lala-good SS).mp3
    129 554 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\Cache\f_00005d
    128 26,390 C:\ProgramData\Avira\AntiVir Desktop\TEMP\avguard.tmp
    110 13,668 C:\Program Files\Shield\shdinit.sdi
    100 5,237 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\FLVService\Sign In(5).bin
    89 2,420 C:\Users\John\Documents\Freecorder 4\Jackie Blue-jango.mp3
    79 3,266 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Temp\O&O Defrag Professional\O&O Defrag Professional Edition.msi
    69 9,264 C:\$Extend\$UsnJrnl:$J:$DATA
    60 2,591 C:\Users\John\Downloads\nexusradio.exe
    60 2,169 C:\Users\John\Documents\Freecorder 4\Hot Stuff(play audio video.com.mp3
    54 216 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\index.dat
    54 2,205 C:\Users\John\Documents\Downloads\lrecordeva(195-1)_setup.exe
    52 5,083 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\FLVService\Sign In(3).bin
    46 686 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Apple Computer\Safari\Cache.db
    45 1,778 C:\Users\John\Documents\Downloads\aimp_2.61.560.zip
    44 1,696 C:\Users\John\Downloads\EasyMP3DownloaderSetup.exe
    44 203 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Recovery\High\Last Active\{73325B1D-4EE3-11DF-B8D3-00142A16DB12}.dat
    42 1,807 C:\Users\John\Documents\Downloads\winamp5572_lite_all.exe
    39 1,461 C:\Users\John\Downloads\Manic Monday.mp3
    36 908 C:\Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Apple Application Support\CoreAudioToolbox.dll
    35 4,167 C:\ProgramData\Apple Computer\Installer Cache\Safari 5.31.22.7\Safari.msi
    33 3,422 C:\Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Apple Application Support\icudt40.dll
    32 180 C:\Users\John\AppData\Roaming\Apple Computer\Safari\PubSub\Database\Database.sqlite3
    32 537 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\Cache\f_00002e
    32 100 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\Cache\f_000075
    30 3,460 C:\ProgramData\Apple\Installer Cache\AppleApplicationSupport 1.2.0\AppleApplicationSupport.msi
    30 379 C:\Windows\Installer\3f718c.msi
    29 29 C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download\c91af43e301542f65a88d59517636d32\x86_prnhp001.inf_31bf3856ad364e35_6.0.6001.18000_none_d2d06b9620b04c9a\I386\
    28 1,513 C:\Windows\Installer\2f06402.msi
    28 622 C:\Users\John\Downloads\Donna Fargo - The Happiest Girl In The Whole USA.mp3
    27 1,382 C:\Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Apple Application Support\WebKit.dll
    26 956 C:\Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Apple Application Support\CoreGraphics.dll
    26 895 C:\Users\John\Downloads\cindy louper - cyndi lauper - girls just wanna have fun(1).mp3
    26 26 C:\Windows\inf\setupapi.app.log
    26 793 C:\Users\John\Documents\Wondershare Streaming Audio Recorder\Record_4212010\95058 PM\Tusk.mp3
    25 2,405 C:\Users\John\Downloads\Opera_1051_en_Setup.exe
    24 822 C:\Users\John\Documents\Downloads\s2beta_103_install.exe
    23 866 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\FLVService\Sign In(4).bin
    23 26 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\Cache\f_0000a1
    23 132 C:\Windows\WindowsUpdate.log
    22 1,458 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\FLVService\Sign In(8).bin
    22 25 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\Cache\f_0000a2
    21 21 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\Y97UIUK3\
    21 212 C:\Users\John\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\PrivacIE\index.dat
    20 1,304 C:\Users\John\Downloads\Janet Jackson - Come Back To Me.mp3
    19 22 C:\Windows\winsxs\Temp\PendingRenames\
    19 1,286 C:\Program Files\Opera\opera.dll
    19 618 C:\Windows\System32\oodtray.exe
    19 100 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\Cache\f_000073
    18 599 C:\Windows\Installer\3f7195.msi
    18 1,669 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Media Player\CurrentDatabase_360.wmdb
    18 2,797 C:\Windows\winsxs\Manifests\
    18 18 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\OHQJKX6N\
    17 1,377 C:\Windows\winsxs\
    17 447 C:\Users\John\Documents\Downloads\defragsetup.exe
    17 74 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\Thumbnails
    17 543 C:\Windows\Installer\3f7187.msi
    17 705 C:\Users\John\Downloads\StationRipperInst.exe
    17 58 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\Cache\f_000050
    17 18 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\old_Cache_000\
    16 1,259 C:\Program Files\Safari\Safari.dll
    16 260 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\Cache\f_0000c2
    15 200 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\FLVService\Do i need to install service pack 2 for Vista ulimate_ - Yahoo! Answers(2).bin
    15 471 C:\Users\John\Downloads\FLVPlayer.exe
    15 76 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\History Index 2010-04
    14 321 C:\Users\John\Documents\Downloads\unconfirmed 93643.download
    14 554 C:\Users\John\Documents\Downloads\disk-defrag-setup.exe
    14 1,426 C:\Program Files\Safari\SafariTheme.resources\ArtFile.bin
    13 1,055 C:\Users\John\Downloads\Scott McKenzie - If You're Going To San Francisco (Be Sure To Wear Some Flowers In Your Hair).mp3
    13 1,208 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\FLVService\Sign In(15).bin
    12 15 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\Cache\f_0000a5
    12 180 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Temp\irsetup.exe
    12 260 C:\Windows\Installer\{53480330-E1D1-41CA-B8F8-7F78644F7F50}\_2F7B8B49_4A02_49EF_9E9B_16E6D721008B
    12 806 C:\Users\John\Downloads\plugins\plugin_zhttp.dll
    12 613 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\FLVService\Sign In(14).bin
    12 12 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\MIS2C4EF\
    12 140 C:\Users\John\Downloads\id3lib.dll
    12 1,609 C:\Users\John\Desktop\DJ_Music_Mixer_Portable[1]\Thinstall\DJ Music Mixer\Damaged.4-16-7da b.33
    12 12 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\Cache\
    12 1,172 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\FLVService\Sign In(12).bin
    11 618 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\FLVService\Sign In(7).bin
    11 14 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\Cache\f_0000a0
    11 11 C:\Users\John\AppData\Roaming\Real\rhapsody\startuplog.txt
    11 493 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\FLVService\19F941D2.bin
    11 139 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\Cache\f_000070
    11 387 C:\Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Apple Application Support\Foundation.dll
    11 684 C:\Users\John\Downloads\Spice Girls - Wannabe.mp3
    11 45 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\Cache\f_0000b9
    11 100 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\Cache\f_00007a
    10 100 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\Cache\f_000074
    10 10 C:\Users\John\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\Application\4.1.249.1059\Resources\Inspector\Images\

    (If this was not the correct forum for this post, sorry, and please move it)
     
  2. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi

    What Windows version you using?


    Whay can happen is if you have been using files, and playing music is that the system has still got a hold of the applications and for that reason locks them from being changed, happens more with system files than others, but try a reboot and defrag straight away, or boot to safe mode and try a defrag there.
     
  3. jek1862

    jek1862 Private E-2

    Hi,
    Thanks for your reply. I am using Vista Ultimate. I tried both of your suggestions and no dice...I simply cannot defrag. I think the problem is that these are all 'locked files', as the report states. But how they became locked files, I have no idea. I think unlocking them is the key, but am not sure. Please think of alternate suggestions for me to hopefully solve this problem. Thank you.
     
  4. Break_Da

    Break_Da Sergeant

    I tend to do all defrag for windows from safe mode using the commam prompt window or from run on start... Vista has a lot more switches to operate during defrag ;) check it out, safe mode will not have a bunch of things called for allowing a more effiecient defragmenting of files and folders, plus a boot switch to aid in boot up (assuming this is for the registry but have not seem any proof to support it)
     
  5. jek1862

    jek1862 Private E-2

    OK, here's my situation of late. I have run the defrag from safe mode, still won't do anything. Defragged from command prompt, nope. Defragged as an administrator, nope. Used Vista's defrag utility, nope. Used O&O Defragmenter as it is supposed to be able to unlock and defrag locked files, nope. I was surprised at that(the O&O failure). This has me concerned.
    Another thing I did. I had a spare hard drive lying around and popped it in and took the current one out. It came up with very different results! All the files presented using this other hard drive were NOT locked, and all were able to be defragged. None of the locked files presented in my current hard drive showed up on this hard drive. I don't know if that means anything, other than my problem could be with my hard drive. Could be going on me, I dont know.

    I did a disk error check, and came up with something interesting, that might be a clue. It said "recovering orphan file"(please define that for me) on several occasions. I've never seen that before on a chkdsk. Obviously, I would not have seen that if nothing was wrong.
    The bottom line is I am just getting locked files to defragment, and nothing is defragmenting as a result!! Very frustrating. I used the Unlocker utility and have tediously gone through the list, and am about 3/4 the way through deleting these files. I am very careful as to what I delete. It says no locking handle found, so I am forced to delete. I am looking for an unlocker that unlocks locked files with an unlocker feature, not just delete, rename, and move. I might just delete a locked file my system needs. If you know of one, please let me know. Because if I can unlock all of these locked files, and there are HUNDREDS of them, causing about a 3% defragmentation presently on my disk, then it should be no problem to defrag them, as they will now be all unlocked. Thanks for all your help.
     
  6. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    Is there a particular reason that you expect files on one hard drive to show up on a different hard drive?

    Perhaps you need to explain how you can pop out one hard drive, pop in another hard drive and boot up the same computer.
     
  7. jek1862

    jek1862 Private E-2

    Yes, I admit that was quite a stupid thing I said, in retrospect. I didn't realize what I was saying. I was just trying to illustrate that when I put in the other hard drive I had no locked files appearing and was able to defrag as normal. And the reason I can boot up the same is I had Vista on this hard drive, as well. I hope that clears up some things. But I am no closer to an answer to my problem. Please help.
     
  8. Jordan Rivers

    Jordan Rivers Private E-2

    Well, I guess you could give Ultra Defrag 4.0 a shot. It is a open source freeware defrag tool that has the option of defragging the hard drive before the Windows boot process initiates. Might work for you, might not, just something to try. It is found here: http://ultradefrag.sourceforge.net/
     
  9. hrlow2

    hrlow2 MajorGeek

    In regard to post #7, how did the machine bootup with another drive that you popped in? Had it been installed and the Operating System been installed on the same machine or what?
    I personally have 3 drives that I do installs of the same OS on, just in case of trouble with one, I can just switch.
     
  10. jek1862

    jek1862 Private E-2

    PROBLEM FINALLY SOLVED. About a week ago, I installed a system restore type utility called Rollback RX, which I assume a lot of you may be familiar with. Well, I just had an idea tonight to uninstall the thing, as my defragging problem started about the same time I installed this software. Right after I uninstalled it, I tried my usual defragging. Frankly, I was quite shocked to see I no longer had the problem I've been discussing with you all in this thread. Everything defragged, no problems now. The only thing I can think of is this. This Rollback RX takes 'system snapshots' daily of your system and then 'locks' these snapshots. This is what most likely was causing me to assume those undefraggable files were locked files, when in fact they were not. The software was making them 'locked'...and unable to be defragged. I believe my deduction is sound, as now I can defrag everything, and no locked files are appearing. I am just happy and relieved this problem is finally solved. Thanks for all of your help on this. I should've mentioned the Rollback RX, but I really didn't think it would cause something like this.
    Now I have a new issue. I do not particularly like using System Restore, for various reasons. That is why I installed the Rollback RX. It does extra things that Vista's System Restore doesn't do, like you can boot from the startup, and it will take a COMPLETE, nothing left out, snapshot of your system in the event you need to restore after some big problem or something. But of course I can't use this Rollback RX anymore, due to the defragging problem it caused me. So what I am looking for now is a system restore equivalent to replace the Rollback RX with. Something that will 'restore' my system if I need it. There must be other software or utilities out there I can use, freeware preferred, and also that is superior to System Restore, if possible. Please recommend to me at least one or more utilities I could look into that would accomplish this purpose of fully backing up my system, in the event of an emergency, and any advice you may have for me. Thank you once again.
     

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