Windows XP SP1 vs. SP2

Discussion in 'Software' started by nickwsu, Jan 24, 2006.

  1. nickwsu

    nickwsu Private First Class

    I notice that some people stick to SP1 regardless of the security problems and vulnerabilities, I was just wondering what the advantages are of staying with SP1.

    I have noticed that SP2 takes considerably more memory usage and slows computer and connection speed down slightly, can anyone confirm this?

    Thanks
     
  2. brownizs

    brownizs MajorGeek

    Actually SP2 slowing down the computer, taking more memory, and connection speed is a false. SP2 actually patched quite a few programs in XP that had vulnerbilities.
     
  3. snakefoot

    snakefoot Sergeant Major

  4. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    SP2 didnt just introduce some security fixes but many more items to the core code as well.

    Slowdowns could mean a multitude of things... from

    Not updating your AV to latest version to take into account the core security updates

    To an internet or p2p slowdown for some because SP2 introduced a limited max concurrent connections to 10... can be overcome.

    Users not updating drivers, software, bios etc post or pre SP2 install.

    Spyware infestated PC.


    personally with a fully patched PC and updated software I have noticed no slowdown at all and my PC is not latest hardware either.
     
  5. Just Playin

    Just Playin MajorGeek

    That's not exactly correct.
    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/sp2netwk.mspx#EIAA
     
  6. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    depends what they class as a valid IP addresses.. do you know what the vaild IPs are or could be?

    I noticed this after installing SP2 on just normal websites as in the BBC, when streaming stories and viewing pages I got event ID 4226 multiple times... cannot say the BBC is an invalid IP?
     
  7. snakefoot

    snakefoot Sergeant Major

    Believe Halo is correct. SP2 introduces limit the amount of half-open TCP connections to 10. A TCP connection is half-open during the connection-phase. This means you can only have 10 simultaneous TCP connection attempts after installing SP2.

    This is to prevent worms similar to Sasser and Blaster to spread so quickly like they did.

    P2P opens and closes TCP connections frequently because it is expensive to have more than a 1000 open TCP connections simultaneous. Therefore they meet the limit of 10 very quickly.
     
  8. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    If Snakefoot can remind me, SP1 had 20+ concurrent connections by default IIRC?

    exactly, it was introduced to prevent mass outgoing connections from worms/trojans to curb DDoS attacks and those nasties as you mentioed Snakefoot, once its used one of the 10 TCP/IP connections it will open your next page or add the connection to your download, but you only get 10, which limits speed of surfing and downloading.
     
  9. snakefoot

    snakefoot Sergeant Major

    When a TCP Connection goes from half-open(attempted) to open(connected), then it no longer counts as a half-open connection.

    The limit of 10 only affects software that put an "extreme" pressure on the attempted TCP connections. (User initiated web browsing and downloading with HTTP/FTP doesn't get near the limit).

    Don't recall a limit being mentioned before SP2 unless having enabled SYN-Attack-Protection. MS KB Q142641, besides the max limit for concurrent TCP connections
     
  10. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    cool cheers for that Snakefoot :)
     
  11. Insomniac

    Insomniac Billy Ray Cyrus #1 Fan

    I'm doing this from memory, but apart from security improvements, SP2 also gives XP native bluetooth support.

    Prior to that, XP only officially supported Micro$$oft mice and keyboards.
     
  12. nickwsu

    nickwsu Private First Class

    First off, thanks for replies.

    I am running Norton 2006, fully updated, and have not had any problems installing or booting with SP2.

    I'm not exactly sure if its SP2 in particular, as I was putting alot of stuff on my comp the last couple weeks (I just got a new HDD and noticed this during staging). The stuff I downloaded in between SP1 and SP2 was coming at me at about 1.2mbps, and post-Sp2 downloads have been around 250Kbps.
     
  13. brownizs

    brownizs MajorGeek

    Tweak the settings, Defrag, clean up Temp and cache. Could also be that your line stat's have gotten worst. But also it could just be your habits have changed and you could be seeing the lag due to you may be online playing a game, or the such. I doubt SP2 has anything to do with your stats changing.

    I can tell you from my history that a machine that had SP1 on it before SP2 will still show the same line stats when comparing from the same site doing speedtests, and Ping tests for latency.
     
  14. Shataan

    Shataan Private First Class

    "Actually SP2 slowing down the computer, taking more memory, and connection speed is a false"

    Well, I am tweaked out on Sp1 still. I tried Sp 2, and immediately noticed performance was hurting. Deleted Sp2 and all was good again. So I myself won`t ever update to Sp2 any time soon.
     
  15. brownizs

    brownizs MajorGeek

    Depends on what programs that you are running. As all of us have pointed out, P2P sharing, along with hosting a game server on a machine running SP2 will show a slowdown. Normal web browsing and other things will not have side effects.

    Personnaly the plus's overwhelm the negatives why to install SP2.
     

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