Installing heatsink/fan combo over CPU

Hi Asus,

When I tried POSTing earlier, my monitor said "No Signal" and then went blank after about 5 seconds.

You said:

Except for the hard drive, 1 extra stick of memory and the front panel wires, I have nothing else connected except for the items you mentioned above. You didn't mention the hard drive but I left it connected. I believe that all power connections from the PSU to motherboard are connected. It nearly made me want to cry when I had to remove the front panel wires . . . the writing on the motherboard is so tiny that I had to use a magnifying glass and a flashlight and it took me about an hour to connect them and to make sure that each connector was using the correct pins.

I don't have a ps2 keyboard, only the one I use, which is a Logitech.

I have to shut down the computer that I'm using here to disconnect the monitor and plug it into the new pc. I'll bbs.

Denise

 

I will ask again because I did not seem to get an answer. I took the liberty of looking at a picture of your board. There is indeed a 12V 4 pin power connection on your board. Did you or did you not have that connected to your PSU? Forgive me if I missed it, but I did not see where you answered that question. If you do not have this plugged in, you will get the problems that you reported. It is for power to the CPU. I am betting that you did not have that connected. I am only attempting to help so it may be wise to at least give an answer back. This is all I can find in answering that and this is not what I am asking, "The power connector has 24 pins and is connected to the 24-pin power connector on motherboard."

 

Hard drive is Not needed to post

Reset CMOS is important

Front pannel wires removing all but power switch eliminates possible short or incorrect connections
Keeping the onboard speaker for diagnostics can be very helpful

What about your MOBO standoffs are you sure they are in the correct positions no extra's?

 

Attached is what I am referring to.

 

Hi Walter,

I also thought about that but the manual says to connect the CPU fan power cable into JCFAN1. I believe the port that you're talking about is JNFAN1. I saw in the manual that it has 12v of power but, on page 3 of the manual, it says that CPU Fan Power Header is JCFAN1.

Just to see what would happen, I disconnected the cable from JCFAN1 and connected it to JNFAN1 and the fan didn't start up.

If you meant something else besides what I did, let me know and I'll try it. I couldn't open the attachment.

Denise

 

Lets see....the picture I found is small, but it looks like a 4 pin 12V cpu power connector. I looked at some specs and from what I see there is only the 24 pin power connector, so your power was connected to the board. It must be the HSF connection then, as you say. Sure as heck looks like it though.

 

Hi Asus,

I'll try it again with the hard drive disconnected.

After I pulled all the front panel plugs and pressed the button to power up and it didn't, I knew right away the mistake I made.

I'm very new at this. How will I reset CMOS?

If I understand you correctly, you're saying that you want me to disconnect all the front panel connectors except for speaker and power switch.

I don't know what standoffs are. I know that my connectors are in the right ports and I disconnected all of them except for power to the motherboard and the hard drive. Since you want me to disconnect the hard drive, that will leave only these connected:

1 stick of RAM
PSU/fan/heat sink
Power switch wire
Speaker wire
Monitor
Keyboard

If these are incorrect, please let me know.

Denise

 

Hi Walter,

Thanks for trying to help

Denise

 

denise

the plug that walter34payton2002 is referring to powers the CPU itself
the plugs you are referring to just power the fan on the heatsink

I think he is on the right track
and as he mentions this would be a very likely cause of why your diagnostic leds are not lighting up
ie: the cause of your main problem

you will want to check that before doing anything else

there will only be one plug coming from the power supply that will fit
it will be basically square with 4 outputs

this is something the rest of us have overlooked
well done walter34payton2002

fingers crossed

 

Hi Asus,

I disconnected everything except

1 stick of RAM
PSU/fan/heat sink
Power switch wire
Speaker wire
Monitor
Keyboard

I also unplugged everything from the wall just in case it could help reset something.

But it didn't help. When I turned on the monitor, it again said No Signal. Also, the 2 front panel lights, LED_D1 and LED_D2 are still not lit, which means either a CPU or a chipset error, or maybe both.

Denise

 

our posts crossed over

did you try what walter34payton2002 suggested ?

 

Actually, Denise, if your mobo manual says that it has a 12V power connection, then that would it. It doesn't look like a fan plug that I have ever seen, but I am an Intel guy. See if you can take another look at that picture I put up then.

 

Hi Shanemail,

There's no cord that comes out of the CPU . . . there's only 1 cord that comes out of the fan. I plugged it into the JNFAN1, the port the Walter referred to, but nothing changed except that the fan didn't start up, so I plugged it back into JCFAN1. If there's another connector that you think I should try, just let me know.

Denise

 

the cord comes out of the PSU
and plugs into the socket just below the CPU / heatsink

refer to the post from walter with the picture of your motherboard on it

 

Not out of the CPU...out of the PSU. There is a square 4 pin out that will come out of your PSU (check all of the wires on your PSU if you have to). That square 4 pin connection needs to go into that 4 pin square hole in the mobo. This has nothing to do with the fan- leave that plugged in. The picture illustrates it all, but if you can't see it then look at every connector that comes out of your PSU. Find the square one. Look near the socket (above the PCI slots, below the socket, to the right of the I/O interface, and to the left of north bridge). There is a 4 pin in that will fit your 4 pin PSU connector. Put that in that square hole, it powers the CPU. That is what it looks like to me. Not the fan connection, leave that.

Here is an illustration of what the 12V power looks like from the PSU.

 

it is post #154 that I am referring to

 

Hi Walter,

I checked out the port that you pointed to on the picture of the motherboard. I looked very hard for that port and there isn't one that's located to the right of the chipsent. The place that you pointed to on the picture is where the battery is located.

Even the manual is slightly wrong. It shows, on page 3, that there are two 3-pin ports, one right above the battery and one right below it. There are no ports near the battery. There is only 1 3-pin port that's located under DIMMB1.

In the place where the manual shows two 3-pin ports, one is a screw that's connecting the motherboard to the case and the other is a round thing that sticks up about 3/4". There are 3 of them in a row. One is between the IDE ports and DIMMA2, one is between DIMMA1 and DIMMB2, and the last one is located between DIMMB1 and the battery.

Using that port, the fan turned on when I turned on the pc but the 2 lights, LED_D1 and LED_D2, are still not lit, which means a CPU/Chipset Error.

Denise

 

Hi Shanemail,

I posted a response to Walter's suggestion above this post. Those ports just aren't on the motherboard.

Denise

 

I double checked your board on Biostar website to the one I posted. It looks identical. I am seeing an ATX 12V power connection right where I marked it. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but that is your board and that looks like a 12V 4 pin atx connection.

TFORCE 6100-939, correct?

 

this is from your manual

that should be the location of the plug

your manual shows 2 different types of board
the 6100
and the 6100-939 (yours)

 

I looked at the manual too finally, Shane. Thanks. It is called JATXPWR2, Denise. I don't know if I can be more specific. It seems pretty simple...Look at what I circled, find corresponding plug from PSU, plug it in and there you have it. You know....Dell has some good deals nowadays (just kidding).

 

Hi, I'm attaching a picture of the motherboard and I labelled where ports are located and where they're not located. Hope this helps.

 

It looks like you have found the 4 pin conn, as you labelled it. I don't understand the rest of what you labelled. Now if you look for the thing that looks like what I posted in #165 from your PSU, then plug it in there. It is labelled JATXPWR2 on the board. Find that one way or the other, ignore any other "port" you are trying to illustrate.

 

Picture of 3-pin ports on the motherboard.

 

Can you point out the location that you're telling me to connect the 4-pin cable to?

 

It's 3:30 in the morning here and I'm wiped out. I plugged the connector into the port but I don't have the energy to climb back behind my computer table to disconnect my monitor and keyboard. I'll do it in the morning (probably afternoon considering the time it is).

Walter and Shanemail, thanks for your help. I'll definitely keep everyone posted as to how things have worked out. My face is just about ready to hit the keyboard again and when I wake up, I hate the imprints it made during the night.

Have a good night/day everyone and I'll see you in about 10 hours.

Denise

 

I did twice in both pictures I posted. They won't let me post a picture I already posted. I take it you found the atx 12V from the PSU. Good. Plug that in to what YOU labelled as 4 PIN CONN in YOUR post #172. Plug that into there. The 3 pin ports you keep referring to are IRRELEVANT to this discussion. Ignore those please. I labelled it twice in my pics, Shane copied it from the manual, and you circled it in post #172 and labelled it and I quote "4 pin conn." That is it. Plug that into there!

 

So you found it! DEAR GOD! I wonder why that was so tricky? You had me stumped because every time I would tell you that it was there, somehow you said otherwise. Anyway, I think you got it now.

 

I had to go to bed early, so I have just picked up on the efforts.
Everybody is really trying to be clairevoyant- that is difficult.
Walter asked question, THE MISSING PIECE OF YOUR PUZZLE. and you appear to FOUND IT.
The big moment , now is when you start again, after a good nights rest.

 

Hi Everyone!

Walter, I thought that you were talking about the 3-pin connector because I was talking about it. When you responded to connect it to the 4-pin connector, I thought that you didn't understand what I was talking about so I tried to show you that in the pictures of the mobo. When you spoke about the cord that comes from the PSU, I thought you were talking about the cord that comes out of the CPU. Miscommunications . . . I even pointed out the 4-pin plug to show you that there were no 3-pin plugs in the location you were telling me about. roflmao

I just got up a short time ago and I haven't connected my monitor and keyboard to the new pc yet. I need to check things on the net first because if the new pc POSTS, I won't be coming back to this pc, if the DVD drive will work with the new connection.

I'm sorry I gave you such a hard time last night . . . my brains were scrambled by 2 am and by 3 am, I wasn't really here. zzz

Denise

 

I plugged the monitor and keyboard into the new pc. When I turned it on, the black screen came up and it said "floppy failed." The next screen gave me 2 choices (forgot what they were) but to press either tab or esc. I started and restarted the new pc a couple of times and chose one then the other but it didn't do anything. About 10 seconds later, another screen gave me some choices and I needed to press F5. I pressed F5 and nothing happened. I pressed F1 through F12, tab, delete, and esc and nothing happened.

I read several articles on the net that said that SATA needs a floppy drive. I think that when it didn't find one, it couldn't go any further.

But we made a giant leap forward by plugging in the 4-pin wire, thanks to Walter :highfive

And thanks to all of you for your help and for not reaching through your screen and shaking me

So I guess that I'll have to wait for the floppy to come in the mail. I'm ready and raring to go though :hyper

Denise

 

Hi Denise,
A Great leap forward.
Walter thought about the one item we all did not think about.--The 4 pointpower plug.
My favourite quote:
The obvious often eludes us!
I hope Asus, or, Walter will come back to you soon, as I believe you should be able to just put your Windows XP disc into the DVD Writer, and load your operating system.
I believe you can ignore the screen words regarding floppy drive, as I have put a sata drive onto XP, by just going through the setup, and carry on, ignoring any request for a sata driver, as I am sure you only need that if you are going to install Raid, and I do not think you want to do that, at the moment.
RAID , IS USED IF YOU WANTO FIT MORE THN ONE HARD DRIVE

 

Hi baklogic,

I was tickled pink when I saw that black screen! I remember working in DOS (if the black screen was DOS) when I got my first pc at work. It had 250Mb, lol.

Ignore all requests for a SATA driver . . . got it!

I want to install a second SATA drive sometime in the future but not now. Just think, I'll be back sometime for instructions for setting up RAID, as you said. Just a warning . . . run . . . run as fast as you can and run as far as you can, lol.

Well, I guess I'll reconnect all the devices that I disconnected last night.

Denise

 

Baklogic is right, you only need the floppy for SATA if you are installing RAID and as he correctly puts it you need 2 identical drives for that. Anyway, I am not sure what the options are that it is giving you, but can you get into BIOS? You may have to set the SATA HDD as the boot drive and make all appropriate settings (time/date, ect). See if you can enter BIOS. You user manual will tell you how, but usually you just hold down F10 or DEL upon boot. Also, it is possible that you have the floppy cable in backwards- unlike the IDE cable with the extra pin to not allow that, the floppy cable can be installed improperly.

 

Glad to see you got it. Not to be rude, but I didn't miscommunicate at all. I even clearly gave you pictures of what I refer as to avoid miscommunication (power supply reference and mobo reference x2). I get the impression that you are browsing over the help people are offering. We don't just say things for no reason. It may be wise to be very meticulous in reading every word posted by the members here. I am glad to see that you are closer. I hope to be of more help to you.

 

Hello again, I hope things get back together quickly, for you.
When Walter was trying to make you understand, your wires probably became crossed, - when frustration gets to you, - it happens- you then find it hard to see the wood from the trees.
Very often, the absolute novice can jusr put in the XP disc, and go from there, but Walter is trying to explain that to be sure that time and date are set, you usually go into the Bios.
However, almost all settings canbe changed once Windows is installed from Windows settings- more on that when you come to it.
If you wanted to try to do it, as Walter has explained, I will try to simplify that a little.

 

Asus explained that he could help you with the sofware side, if, and when you need it.
As this is your first build, and Bios is a little frightening, why not just put in that XP disc, and go from there, when all reconnected.:cool
Come back to us, if everything goes well, to make sure that all those who have given their assistance can reap the benifit of knowing their help was a great benifit to you.:major
Come back, too, if you hit any sna:wave gs, and those still awake are sure to help.

 

It's not what I'm doing at all and it is very rude of you to say that. This is all completely new to me and I'm doing my best to understand. Besides this being the first computer I've built, I'm dealing with the differences between SATA and PATA and, due to the fact that the computer started up shows that I'm trying very hard and doing a very good job of figuring out and understanding what people are explaining to me. If I don't catch on right away and I need something explained to me again or in a way that I'll understand, it's only natural. I've been doing this for less than a week. You've been doing it for a while. Give me a break.

Denise

 

I still need to find and buy an IDE cable for the DVD drive so it'll be a little longer before I can finish connecting all the hardware. After that, it's onward to the software, and I'm enjoying doing all of this. It's like playing with Lego's when I was a kid.

Denise

 

Go easy on each other, if you were following the shoutbox in the last 24 hours you may have noticed that walter34payton2002 has appeared to have lost quite a bit of his sanity from this experience

We are all trying to help
and with the amount of posts on this thread it would be very easy to miss a couple anyway

Must say, its quite an accomplishment to get this many replies on any thread.
Im lucky to get any replies:crybaby

Good luck Denise with the next stages (DVDRW & Software)
we will all be here :wave

 

Ha! Good one, but that's normal for me.

 

I can't tell you how much I enjoyed this and learning about the inner workings of a computer. It's been wonderful and it's the first thing in a long time that's given me a sense of wonder and accomplishment. As I've said in other posts, I owe it all to you all here, for your patience, explanations, directions and eagerness to help. You're a great bunch of geeks and I hope this post helps other people as well. We encountered some unusual obstacles and found new ways to deal with them that produced the desired results. The building of this computer was and still is a joint effort. Once the IDE cable arrives, I can start to seriously get down to business again. I probably needed the rest anyway. I barely came up for air for the past few days.

Thanks to all of you again for what we've accomplished, but remember the warning I gave . . . I'll be back . . . LOL

Denise

 

I thought you had an IDE cable? It is for the BenQ, right? Didn't you have it hooked up (as far as I remember anyway)?

 

Some geeks + Girl that has computer questions = 200 responses

 

The number of replies is what made this such a great experience, and I needed all the help that everyone gave me.

I hope you've recovered at least most of your sanity Walter. I didn't mean to have you pulling your hair out, I really just didn't understand.

Thanks for your help. That 4 pin port and PSU connector did the trick!

Denise

 

Oh, Shane was just goofing around. I was talking about flux capacitors and other silliness from Back to the Future in the shout box and proceeded to goof off more. I was bored and this was well before this thread. Shane happened to be the victim of my nonsense at the time. It wasn't related, he was just joking.

As far as the IDE cable you are referring....I thought you had one. This is for the BenQ, right (I thought you had that hooked up already)??

 

Yep, I was joking
he was definately a few sandwiches short of a picnic before this roflmao

 

I did have the BenQ hooked up but with the SATA cable that came with the motherboard. Pressing the button on the front wouldn't open the door.

A few posts back, someone told me that I need a IDE cable for the BenQ. I bought one last night on-line. . . dang thing cost me almost $19.00 with shipping/handling. It's a "40-pin 80-conductor cable, ATA133/100/66/33 compliant, 26 inch round cable (16 inch + 10 inch) with two device connections, one Motherboard connector."

It's a little longer than I wanted but the shorter ones I looked at didn't have a second connector for a second device. I don't have another device to connect to it right now but I might in the future, so I decided it was worth the extra few dollars that I paid for the second connector. It should be arriving within 5 to 7 business days.

Denise

 

Well, the cable will bend quite well, so, if you connect another drive later, it will not seem so long.
Sounds like you are back chomping at the bit, but no hay to to bite.
Patience, as you have found can be a benifit to you.
However, if you wanted to try your luck, you could borrow the IDE lead from your old computer-------------

 

I was thinking of that also but something else is connected to the second connector. With all the ribbon cables inside, it was hard to follow it and I couldn't see what it is, so I thought it best to leave it alone. I'm definitely chomping at the bit though and would like to have received it yesterday. This wait is going to be tough.