Windows Defender used and now can't start up my computer properly

Discussion in 'Malware Help - MG (A Specialist Will Reply)' started by viviene18328, Dec 30, 2012.

  1. chaslang

    chaslang MajorGeeks Admin - Master Malware Expert Staff Member

    Okay the Active: Yes is the important info I want to find out about. So this was for the System Rese NTFS Partition 100 MB partition???

    The only two we care about are the below
    Code:
    Volume 1 C System Rese NTFS Partition 100 MB Healthy nothing in info column
     
    Volume 2 D eMachines NTFS Partition 686 GB Healthy nothing in info column
    
    Did any of the volumes show as Boot or System
     
  2. viviene18328

    viviene18328 Private E-2

    The information in post 50 is what came up when I put in the command: list volume


    The original info was:

    Partition 1
    Type: 27
    Hidden: Yes
    Active: Yes
    Offset in bytes: 27136

    and below that it was:

    *Volum3 3, ltr E, label is blank, Fs is RAW, Type is partition, Size is 0 B, status is healthy and info is hidden.

    None of the volumes showed as Boot or System, just volume 1, ltr C, labeled as system rese. Nothing else.
     
    Last edited: Jan 1, 2013
  3. chaslang

    chaslang MajorGeeks Admin - Master Malware Expert Staff Member

    I'm going to give you an example of the kind of things I'm looking for. Obviously volume numbers, labels and sizes will be different than yours since this is not for your system, but I want to highlight some important items in bold purple below that I'm looking for.
    Code:
    DISKPART> list disk
      Disk ###  Status         Size     Free     Dyn  Gpt
      --------  -------------  -------  -------  ---  ---
      Disk 0    Online         1863 GB  3072 KB        *
      Disk 1    No Media           0 B      0 B
      Disk 2    No Media           0 B      0 B
      Disk 3    No Media           0 B      0 B
      Disk 4    No Media           0 B      0 B
     
    DISKPART> select disk 0
    Disk 0 is now the selected disk.
     
    DISKPART> list partition
      Partition ###  Type              Size     Offset
      -------------  ----------------  -------  -------
    [COLOR=purple][B]  Partition 1    System             500 MB[/B][/COLOR]  1024 KB
      Partition 2    OEM                 40 MB   504 MB
      Partition 3    Reserved           128 MB   544 MB
      Partition 4    Recovery           500 MB   672 MB
      Partition 5    [COLOR=purple][B]Primary           1850 GB[/B][/COLOR]  1172 MB
      Partition 6    Recovery            10 GB  1852 GB
     
    DISKPART> list volume
      Volume ###  Ltr  Label        Fs     Type        Size     Status     Info
      ----------  ---  -----------  -----  ----------  -------  ---------  --------
      Volume 0     H                       DVD-ROM         0 B  No Media
      Volume 1     C   OS           NTFS   Partition   [B][COLOR=purple]1850 GB[/COLOR][/B]  Healthy    [B][COLOR=purple]Boot
    [/COLOR][/B]  Volume 2         ESP          FAT32  Partition    [COLOR=purple][B]500 MB[/B][/COLOR]  Healthy    [B][COLOR=purple]System[/COLOR][/B]
      Volume 3         WINRETOOLS   NTFS   Partition    500 MB  Healthy    Hidden
      Volume 4         PBR Image    NTFS   Partition     10 GB  Healthy    Hidden
      Volume 5     D                       Removable       0 B  No Media
      Volume 6     E                       Removable       0 B  No Media
      Volume 7     F                       Removable       0 B  No Media
      Volume 8     G                       Removable       0 B  No Media
     
    DISKPART> select disk 0
    Disk 0 is now the selected disk.
     
    DISKPART> list partition
      Partition ###  Type              Size     Offset
      -------------  ----------------  -------  -------
      [COLOR=purple][B]Partition 1[/B][/COLOR]    [B][COLOR=purple]System  [/COLOR][/B]          [COLOR=purple][B] 500 MB[/B][/COLOR]  1024 KB
      Partition 2    OEM                 40 MB   504 MB
      Partition 3    Reserved           128 MB   544 MB
      Partition 4    Recovery           500 MB   672 MB
      Partition 5    [B][COLOR=purple]Primary[/COLOR][/B]           [COLOR=purple][B]1850 GB[/B][/COLOR]  1172 MB
      Partition 6    Recovery            10 GB  1852 GB
     
  4. viviene18328

    viviene18328 Private E-2

    Okay. Boot and system are not under any of the volumes in the information column. System is not under any of the types for any of the volumes either.

    I think that I have monopolized enough of your valuable time. Unless you feel we are getting somewhere maybe it's time for me to give up the ghost and get a new computer. What I'd like to know is where the heck my daughter picked up this lovely virus. I've seen it mentioned that it could have been picked up from Google Chrome but she is on facebook, Oovoo, uses Skype, etc. If you want to continue trying to figure it all out okay, but if not I would certainly not have a problem with stopping. I need to learn a heck of a lot more and I also need to get better virus protection. I was using avg 2012 (which I paid for on all 3 of our computers) and I did have it updating every couple of days. The computer we've been working on is the only one that has gotten this virus.
     
  5. chaslang

    chaslang MajorGeeks Admin - Master Malware Expert Staff Member

    If we can get one partition marked as bootable, we may yet be able to boot.

    There is a PQSERVICE partition on your eMachines PC that could possibly be used to reimage your drive back to factory ship state. That is as long as the malware and the change that Windows Defender Offline made did not break it. I'm not sure how to do this with eMachines but someone in the Software Forum may know.

    Not really sure as there are thousands of people getting Alureon infections each week. They are very common and come from many differnt places. We fix them all the time. The running of Windows Defender Offline is what made this problematic.

    We can try some more. I would like to have you make the below G-Parted CD which we should be able to boot from. We may be able to use it to show the partitions and see the flags ( like boot flag ) and mark one partition as bootable. The instructions are for an older version of G-Parted but we should be able to do this

    Now boot off of the newly created GParted CD.
    [​IMG]
    You should be here...
    Press ENTER
    [​IMG]
    By default, do not touch keymap is highlighted. Leave this setting alone and just press ENTER.
    [​IMG]
    Choose your language and press ENTER. English is default [33]

    Once again, at this prompt, press ENTER
    You will now be taken to the main GUI screen below
    [​IMG]

    Let me know if/when you get down to this point where it is list partitions. Notice in the above how one partition has a Boot flag.
     
  6. viviene18328

    viviene18328 Private E-2

    Okay I'm at the last screen. On the system reserved partition I see boot under flags. Under the pqservice partition I see a diag flag. There is a yellow triangle unde between the partition name and file system on the label eMachines. What is that?
     
    Last edited: Jan 1, 2013
  7. chaslang

    chaslang MajorGeeks Admin - Master Malware Expert Staff Member

    This may be indicating the problem. For this eMachines partition, is it the one that is 686 GB ( GiB on G-Parted screen ) ? And when you look in the Flags column, you do not see this partition marked as boot ?

    Is any partiton at all marked as boot?
     
  8. viviene18328

    viviene18328 Private E-2

    "This may be indicating the problem. For this eMachines partition, is it the one that is 686 GB ( GiB on G-Parted screen ) ? And when you look in the Flags column, you do not see this partition marked as boot ?

    Is any partiton at all marked as boot?"

    This is what I see:

    Partition /dev/sda2, file system ntfs, label PQSERVICE, size 12.00 GiB, used 9.03 GiB, Unused 2.97 GiB, flags diag

    Partition /dev/sda3, file system ntfs, label system reserved, size 100.00 MiB, used 33.59 MiB, unused 66.41 MiB, flags boot

    Partition /dev/sda4, yellow triangle, file system ntfs label eMachines, size 686.54 GiB, used ------, unused -------, no flags

    Partition "unallocated", file system unallocated, label none, size 1.87 MiB, used -----, unused -----, no flags

    So it's the second partition under what I see that has the flag "boot" boot does not appear anywhere else.
     
    Last edited: Jan 1, 2013
  9. chaslang

    chaslang MajorGeeks Admin - Master Malware Expert Staff Member

    Okay, I'm not sure if the 100MB partition should be the have the boot flag or if the larger 68G GB partition which contains Windows should have the boot flag but the yellow triangle is probably indicating an corruption in the file system which is likely why you received the below error message earlier when we tried a fix
    Boot back up to the command prompt with your Recovery Disk and see if you can run the below command.

    chkdsk /f

    Let me know if this runs and what it says when it finishes. This will take awhile to run.

    EDIT::: We need to make sure that you run the chkdks /f on the actual hard disk and not the CD or some other drive. I'm going to assume the hard disk will be drive C so the command would be

    chkdsk c: /f
     
  10. viviene18328

    viviene18328 Private E-2

    So choose command prompt and then type in the command: chkdsk /f

    and then after that runs I tell you what it says.


    Or do you want me to choose command prompt and then type in the command: chkdsk c: /f

    Just want to check and make sure before I do this.
     
  11. chaslang

    chaslang MajorGeeks Admin - Master Malware Expert Staff Member

    Yes the below one because I believe your hard disk will be drive C and you are booting up from a CD
    but did we determine earlier that a different drive letter was used for the 686 GB drive partition
     
  12. chaslang

    chaslang MajorGeeks Admin - Master Malware Expert Staff Member

    Yes I believe we said it was D so use

    chkdsk D: /f
     
  13. viviene18328

    viviene18328 Private E-2

    When I clicked on command prompt to get started this is where I started out:

    X:\Windows\System32>

    So I typed in chkdsk c: /f and then entered.

    This is what came up:

    CHKDSK is verifying files (stage 1 of 3)....
    256 file records processed.
    File verification completed.
    0 large file records processed.
    0 bad file records processed.
    0 EA records processed.
    0 reparse records processed.

    CHKDSK is verifying indexes (stage 2 of 3)...
    330 index entries processed.
    Index verification complete.
    0 unindexed files scanned
    0 unindexed files recovered.

    CHKDSK is verifying security descriptions (stage 3 of 3)....
    256 file Sds/SIDs processed.
    Security descriptor verification completed.
    38 data files processed.
    CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal...
    1184800 USN bytes processed
    Usn Journal verification completed.
    Windows has checked the file system and found no problems.

    102399 KB total disk space
    24292 KB in 49 files
    24 KB in 39 indexes
    0 KB in bad sectors
    4131 KB in use by the system
    2048 KB occupied by the log file.
    73952 KB available on disk.
     
  14. viviene18328

    viviene18328 Private E-2

    The eMachines drive is D in looking at post 51 or 52.
     
  15. chaslang

    chaslang MajorGeeks Admin - Master Malware Expert Staff Member

    Yes, see message 62 that I posted
     
  16. viviene18328

    viviene18328 Private E-2

    Ok I ran the new command. This is what I get:

    The type of the file system is NTFS.
    Volume label is eMachines.
    CHKDSK is verifying files (stage 1 of 3)...
    333056 file records processed.
    FIle verification completed.
    928 large file records processed.
    0 bad file records processed.
    0 EA records processed.
    60 reparse records processed.
    CHKDSK is verifying indexes (stage 2 of 3)...
    399184 index entries processed.
    Index verification completed.
    0 unindexed files scanned.
    0 unindexed files recovered.
    CHKDSK is verifying security descriptions (stage 3 of 3)...
    333056 file SDs/SIDs processed.
    Security descriptor verification completed.
    33065 data files processed.
    CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal...
    36352568 USN bytes processed.
    Usn Journal verification completd.
    CHKDSK discovered free space marked as allocated in the volume bitmap.
    Windows has made corrections to the file system.

    719886335 KB total disk space.
    69879812 KB in 192524 files.
    237872 KB in 33066 indexes.
    0 KB in bad sectors.
    460431 KB in use by the system.
    65536 KB occupied by the log file.
    649308220 KB available on disk.

    4096 bytes in each allocation unit.
    179971583 total allocation units on disk.
    162327055 allocation units available on disk.
    Failed to transfer logged messages to the event log with status 50.

    and now I am at:

    X:\Windows\System32>
     
  17. chaslang

    chaslang MajorGeeks Admin - Master Malware Expert Staff Member

    Okay now just for the heck of it, try booting up normally.

    If it does not boot, then reboot back into G-Parted and let's see if the "yellow triangle" is gone.
     
  18. viviene18328

    viviene18328 Private E-2

    It would not boot normally so I re-booted back into G-parted. The yellow triangle is gone. :)

    Unfortunately I have to call it a night. Have an early meeting but I'll check back in after that. Thank you!
     
  19. chaslang

    chaslang MajorGeeks Admin - Master Malware Expert Staff Member

    Okay then let's try changing the D drive to have the boot flag.
    • Right click on the 100MB Partion and select "Manage Flags"
    • Remove the Ticks from Boot as follows ( ignore the hidden flag item in the below image ) and close then Manage flags form
    [​IMG]

    • Right click on the 686GB Partion and select "Manage Flags"
    • Add a check for from boot flag
    • Now click the Apply selection ( the green check mark ).
    • You should now be here confirming your actions per the below.
    [​IMG]
    Did all that work thus far?
     
  20. chaslang

    chaslang MajorGeeks Admin - Master Malware Expert Staff Member

    I will not be back until late tomorrow night. I too have a 6AM meeting tomorrow as I'm working with people from other countries ( China and Germany ) for real work.;) And I will not be back home until after 9 PM tomorrow.
     
  21. viviene18328

    viviene18328 Private E-2

    I followed your instructions and managed the flags and made the changes. The apply check mark did not work. Even though it was not highlighted to show it was active I still clicked on it but it didn't do anything. I never got the pop up asking me if I wanted to apply the pending operations.

    Somehow it must have applied the changes because when I removed the Gparted cd I then restarted the computer to see what would happen.

    It came up to the DEL and F12 screen like it normally does and then the following came up:

    BOOTMGR is missing.

    Press Ctrl+Alt+Del to restart

    So I did restart and the same thing came up again.

    More thanks to you for all the help.
     
  22. viviene18328

    viviene18328 Private E-2

    Since I'm nosey I did a Google search for "repairing BOOTMGR with G-parted" and found this link:

    http://www.ehow.com/how_12194597_use-gparted-repair-bootmgr.html


    I did not do this. I'm just going to wait because I've already made a mess of the computer and don't want to do it again when I believe we are making progress.
     
  23. chaslang

    chaslang MajorGeeks Admin - Master Malware Expert Staff Member

    Okay before we try something like grub, I want to check out a few things.

    Okay boot from your Recovery disk and at the command prompt type in C:
    and hit enter. Does the prompt change to show the C drive?
    Type in dir
    and hit enter. Do you see your files listed and do you see a folder named boot

    Now type in the below command and hit enter. Note there are spaces before the -r, -h, -s and boot. And note that -s is the letter 's' not a number 5 as you used way back in message # 27 on drive D.

    attrib -r -h -s boot

    Now type dir and see if you see the boot folder.

    Also I want to check on the disk partitions again now that we used G-parted to make some changes. So from the C prompt, also run the below commands.

    diskpart
    select disk 0
    list volume

    I want to see what the list volume command shows. I only care about the below two partitions so you don't need to type all the other info
    I'm looking to see if the boot flag showed up on Volume 2 and if Volume 1 is showing as System. Like in my example back in message #53 which showed the below
    Code:
    DISKPART> list volume
      Volume ###  Ltr  Label        Fs     Type        Size     Status     Info
      ----------  ---  -----------  -----  ----------  -------  ---------  --------
      Volume 0     H                       DVD-ROM         0 B  No Media
      Volume 1     C   OS           NTFS   Partition   [B][COLOR=purple]1850 GB[/COLOR][/B]  Healthy    [B][COLOR=purple]Boot[/COLOR][/B]
      Volume 2         ESP          FAT32  Partition    [COLOR=purple][B]500 MB[/B][/COLOR]  Healthy    [B][COLOR=purple]System[/COLOR][/B]
      Volume 3         WINRETOOLS   NTFS   Partition    500 MB  Healthy    Hidden
      Volume 4         PBR Image    NTFS   Partition     10 GB  Healthy    Hidden
    We need to have a Boot and a System partition for your PC to come up.
     
  24. viviene18328

    viviene18328 Private E-2

    The prompt changed to show the C drive.

    My files are listed. There is no folder named boot.

    I typed in attrib -r -h -s boot

    Response was: File not found - boot

    From the C prompt, I ran:

    diskpart
    select disk 0
    list volume

    This is what you provided:

    Volume 1 C System Rese NTFS Partition 100MB Healthy
    Volume 2 D eMachines NTFS Partition 686 GB Healthy

    This is what I show:

    Volume 1 D System Rese NTFS Partition 100 MB Healthy
    Volume 2 C eMachines NTFS Partition 686 GB Healthy

    There is no boot and no system under information on any of the partitions.

    Heading to bed now as I have another early meeting in the a.m. Will be back tomorrow to check what I need to do next. Thank you again!
     
  25. chaslang

    chaslang MajorGeeks Admin - Master Malware Expert Staff Member

    Hmmm! No Boot flag. This is troubling. But the symptoms did change to where you got the BOOTMGR missing message so let's try something that sometimes will fix this. Boot your PC from the Recovery CD again and this time Retry the Startup Repair selection and see if that works. This can sometime repair/replace the bootmgr.

    Also now your volumes are reversed and drive D is the System drive so run the below on drive D

    Now type in the below command and hit enter. Note there are spaces before the -r, -h, -s and boot.

    attrib -r -h -s boot

    Now type dir and see if you see the boot folder.
     
  26. chaslang

    chaslang MajorGeeks Admin - Master Malware Expert Staff Member

    And just as an FYI, let me explain the System and Boot partitions ( also sometimes called volumes ).
    • Microsoft developers really messed up with the choice of names being used because they are actually the exact opposites of what the names are coveying and this has a tendancy to confuse everyone.
    • The System partition and boot partition on a hard disk are what Windows uses when starting.
    • The System partition actually contains the files used to boot Windows 7 while the boot partition contains the system files required to start up the PC and points to which Windows installation to run.
    • So on your PC, the 100 MB partition should be a System partition and when you boot your PC there should be a \boot folder on this "System" partition containing a BCD file that provides information on your where your Windows installation is located ( which for you is the 686 GB partition ) so that the Windows Operating System can be "booted" ( which is why they use the word boot ).
     
  27. viviene18328

    viviene18328 Private E-2

    Boot your PC from the Recovery CD again and this time Retry the Startup Repair selection and see if that works. This can sometime repair/replace the bootmgr.

    When I did this it said to hit any key to boot from the dvd or cd.

    When I hit F12 which is how I get to the point where I can choose the dvd/cd drive so I can get the recovery choices it said that bootmgr was missing and to hit alt+ctfl+del to reboot.

    I only took the steps you told me to take in the last set of instructions. Now off to bed as my head is spinning again. Since I now can't get the recovery disc to come up to get to a command prompt I can go no further.
     
  28. chaslang

    chaslang MajorGeeks Admin - Master Malware Expert Staff Member

    I'm not sure I follow what you did. Were you actually able to run the startup repair or did you never get to that menu?
     
  29. viviene18328

    viviene18328 Private E-2

    I could not get to the start up menu on the recovery disk. It keep saying bootmgr missing or the equilvalent. Hit alt+control+del to restart.
     
  30. chaslang

    chaslang MajorGeeks Admin - Master Malware Expert Staff Member

    It sounds like you are booting from the hard disk not the CD. Make sure BIOS settings are still correct and that you are botting from the Recovery CD not the hard disk.
     
  31. viviene18328

    viviene18328 Private E-2

    I booted the PC from the Recovery CD again and retried the Startup Repair selection and it worked!!!!

    :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D

    Thank you!!!!!

    I've been using AVG anti-virus 2012 full version on all 3 of our computers. Should I be using a different anti-virus? The other 2 computers were fine with no problems.
     
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2013
  32. chaslang

    chaslang MajorGeeks Admin - Master Malware Expert Staff Member

    You're welcome. I do recommend that you run thru the below now that you can boot. This way we can be sure there are no other malware issues:

    READ & RUN ME FIRST. Malware Removal Guide


    While AVG is not one of my favorites ( mostly due to how they bogged PCs down and a few other issues ) it is probably not much worse than other choices. Definitely not better but not too much worse. No antivirus programs, not even the big names like Symantec and McAfee are protecting people against these types of infections. If they were, we would not be so busy here. The bigger problem than the lack of protection is the lack of detection and removal which all of these programs are VERY BAD at. It is just a state to where malware has evolved. Much more manual interaction and removal is commonly required now because the protection tools do not work well enough for the common every day infections that we see in this forum and dozens of other forums like ours see the same issues.
     
  33. viviene18328

    viviene18328 Private E-2

    I will definitely run it. I have to replace my anti-virus option very soon so if there is one that you would recommend I'd appreciate it. I have malware bytes also on my computer and I really like that. Since I'm the one that does this on our 3 computers I will be purchasing for all 3 computers.
     
  34. chaslang

    chaslang MajorGeeks Admin - Master Malware Expert Staff Member

    Why? Is it a paid version that is expiring?

    Do you want a full security suite ( personally I don't like them as them have too much baggage ) but some users really need a security sute because they just don't practice safe surfing..... at least not well enough.

    And what was the age level of the person who was able to infect this particular PC? Sometimes with teenagers and below, the fastest way to add more security is to not allow them to have a user account with administrator priviledges. This can become and issue when they want to install games,.....etc because they will not be able to do so without an admin doing it for them, but it does stop a lot of other problems from happening. It will however possibly increase you work load as the administrator. ;)
     
  35. viviene18328

    viviene18328 Private E-2

    Yes the paid version I purchased is going to expire. I don't mind being responsible and setting limits on the computer. After working through this virus removal (my daughters are 14 and 15) the 15-year-old said, I didn't load anything on the computer." Hopefully I explained this correctly to her, I said that surfing on the internet is enough to get one of these viruses, not necessarily downloading a game, picture or whatever because friends say on facebook are always putting clickable links there for you to click on.

    So after you saying that AVG bogs the computer down some I'm open to changing to something that does not.
     
  36. chaslang

    chaslang MajorGeeks Admin - Master Malware Expert Staff Member

    Even when they are careful, they can still manage to get infected unknowingly and kids just really will not remain that careful as they are always in a rush.

    When we get to final instructions, I would be posting the below for you to read. It would be a good read for everyone.

    How to Protect yourself from malware!

    As stated in it, there just is no perfect solution, but the end user can be the best first line of defense, or their own worst enemy especially if uneducated in good surfing habits.


    They all have an effect. Some more than others. Also it is a matter of exactly what you install from them. For example:
    • Just the antivirus ( which these days always includes antispyware)
    • AV + Firewall
    • AV + Firewall + email protection + antispam
    • The whole internet security suite which typically may include a bunch of things you really don't need.
    Also some tools have interface or operational moded that can be too difficult for some users to handle. For example there are many things about Comodo's Security Suite that are really good and it seems to provide very good protection. But some people can handle getting the firewall all setup and configured for all the things you run and it needs tweaking when updates occur. But I find this good.


    If you are a safe and smart surfer, you can easily get away with just the below even though the Windows Firewalls are far from the best:
    1. A good router with a hardware firewall which most include these days. If you don't have a hardware firewall, you must get one.
    2. An antivirus with antispyware only - example Avira
    3. Windows Firewall for a firwall but there are better choices, like any of the below
    As with all free software today, you have to be careful when installing not to install misc toolbars and other items that come with them. Free software really cannot be totally free anymore. It costs too much to make and keep updated.
     
    Last edited: Jan 4, 2013

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