... and heres why people should not be allowed to vote\comment

Discussion in 'Software' started by Major Attitude, Nov 28, 2008.

  1. Major Attitude

    Major Attitude Co-Owner MajorGeeks.Com Staff Member

    http://majorgeeks.com/Norton_AntiVirus_2009_Gaming_Edition__d6078.html

    Rated a 2.2 today from 5 votes. Mine was a 5. It got to a 4 on the next vote meaning they voted it a 3. This means next THREE ranked it a 1. Come on in, tell me why it rates lower then a 4. Im running it, it is excellent. Yet people seem to think they are technically savvy and that all Norton products suck. Repeating what you have heard does NOT make you tech savvy, it makes you just another sheep. These same people have not run Nortons 2009 nor Gaming Edition and have no clue yet they rate it down.

    Want to tell me I am wrong? Prove it. Would love to meet and argue with ANYONE who rated it a 1. While Norton has become a huge bloatware product since way back in the 90's, Norton 2009 is a huge leap in better performance. They always had good scanning and removal in their suites and standalone products. Gaming edition uses about 4-5 megs of system resources and adds about 1 second to your boot time. Tell me how that sucks. Ill be patiently waiting.
     
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2008
  2. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    Well, I did not vote. And if you say it is that good, I would consider it. I just have bad thoughts when I hear Nortons...

    Plus, it is not free. For some reason, I get really cheap when it comes to software. Will blow all kinds of cash for borgs and gaming stuff, but get miserly when it comes to the antivirus stuff. :-D

    Do they have a free 30 day trial? If so, I would try it and buy it if it is as good as you say.
     
  3. Major Attitude

    Major Attitude Co-Owner MajorGeeks.Com Staff Member

    15-day trial. 40 bucks. I find Avira and Avast free to give too many false positives. AVG free is repeatedly having issues updating over the years, decided to buy one. Never expected it to be Nortons. But they should be watched, this Gaming Edition is sweet and no one knocks them for their protection, just the way they used to lock down your system and slow it down. Try it, let me know.
     
  4. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    I will give it a shot this weekend MA. I am currently using Avast, and have had 0 problems with it. I love how it just spouts out on the speakers that my virus database has been updated. Especially if I was gaming the night before with the sound cranked up... :-D

    I will post back with my thoughts on it.
     
  5. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    Ok, the install was painless. Kinda creepy for me to acually install a Norton product! But I will try it for a week or two, and if I like it, I will buy it.

    Jeez, installing the Nortons... I am usually uninstalling it. :-D
     
  6. Major Attitude

    Major Attitude Co-Owner MajorGeeks.Com Staff Member

    Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. Your in for a suprise.
     
  7. Lev

    Lev MajorGeek

    100 downloads and 5 gave it a below-average rating says to me that 5 people wanted to whine and 95 were too busy gaming with satisfaction ;)

    Is that $40/annum MA or a one-off cost?
     
  8. Major Attitude

    Major Attitude Co-Owner MajorGeeks.Com Staff Member

    Norton will stick to subscription, so I can safely assume it is yearly. Still not my favorite model, but I am willing to pay for a quality product.
     
  9. BoredOutOfMyMind

    BoredOutOfMyMind Picabo, ICU

    Norton 2009 was one of the Black Friday offers today at BestBuy, Office Depot, Staples and Dell.

    Thanks for the positive tip MA.
     
  10. tym

    tym Corporal

    Lets face it Norton's past versions were pretty bad. I did see the new version was supposed to be better. I still refuse to put it on my machine. Don't trust it and there are Lots of free versions of anti virus out there. Microsoft is getting ready to give out a free one, You can do online scans.

    Just can not see paying whatever norton wants a year when you can get the same protection for nothing. Just my 2 cents.
     
  11. Major Attitude

    Major Attitude Co-Owner MajorGeeks.Com Staff Member

    Not relevant in ANY way to the conversation. You have not tried it, so you can not speak to it. Im on a 15 day trial, did not pay for it either, yet. You do, however, help to make my point. You don't want to try it, but you are willing to diss it by dissing previous versions. Thats why were hear. I am telling you its better then anything from Nortons in a long time. I also spoke to the "free" antivirus programs I have used for years.

     
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2008
  12. foogoo

    foogoo Major "foogoo" Geek

    My question is what is the difference in the gamer ed & regular AV?
    I mean if you can make the AV faster do it, why label it "Gamers Edition"? Are they just looking to sell to gamers who spend the big bucks building the latest and greatest platforms? I game and do everything on each of my PCs, so what do I use?
    Rewrite: PC Users are an extremely demanding audience that simply won’t tolerate anything on their system that detracts from performance.

    If Norton knows there AV is untolerate they should fix it across the board, eh?

    Maybe Zonealarm that has a gaming option should repackage their software.

    BTW - I use only Norton products, so I am not being a hater.
     
  13. Major Attitude

    Major Attitude Co-Owner MajorGeeks.Com Staff Member

    The suites obviously are going to use a ton of memory compared to the base AV. This list shows why there is a gamer edition, most important to me was the ability to shut down certain features for a set amount of time. This way, there would be no scanning, alerts updates, etc while I was playing. Only a gamer would want to do this.

    Gamer ModeNo alerts + no notifications = no interruptions
    Optional settings to temporarily suspend updates, behavioral scanning and intrusion prevention
    Enabled automatically when your PC is in full screen mode
    Activate manually with a quick click on the Norton system tray icon
    Lightning Fast*Rapid Pulse Updates every 5 to 15 minutes
    Installs in less than a minute
    Adds less than 1 second to boot time
    Light as a Feather*Uses less than 6MB memory even without the Gamer Mode performance boost
    Needs less than 50MB hard disk space on installation
    Runs only 2 processes at a time
    Performance graphs display CPU and memory usage and how little Norton is using
    Respects your needsSmart Scheduler holds resource intensive actions for when you are not using your PC
    Resource usage table shows you the what, when and how long for background actions taken by Norton AntiVirus
    Delivers consistently strong protection - that’s why Norton AntiVirus has won more consecutive Virus Bulletin 100 awards than any other AV software




     
  14. Major Attitude

    Major Attitude Co-Owner MajorGeeks.Com Staff Member

    This just reminds me of people who pass on information to others as if it were fact. Took my friend to buy a laptop at Best Buy a few weeks back and the salesman was trying to sell him an extended warranty. I thought it was a bad idea on a $699 laptop. Then, the salesman tells me that the hard drives on laptops all die within a year and the warranty was cheaper then a new hard drive. I then asked him why he was selling me a computer whos hard drive would die in a year, after all I have owned 4 or 5 laptops over the past 10 years and all their hard drives still work. At this point, he lost interest in selling me the warranty for some reason. This sort of incompetence and false representation, like rating a product poorly based on past experience and reputation without having any recent knowledge, really pisses me off. In case you didnt notice.
     
  15. sikvik

    sikvik Corporal Karma

    MA, I always used a paid AV. Norton was always favoured, nine out of ten times for numerous pc's.

    I thank MG, and it's members recommendations, so *NOW* shall stick with AVG v8 free. ;) Update issues or none it's doing it's job. Till Avast, Avira or Avg8 (free) get flack on this forum and members .. Or other boards.. I'm good with free or will shuck up the $$...
    Cheers....
     
  16. Major Attitude

    Major Attitude Co-Owner MajorGeeks.Com Staff Member

    As long as your happy, great. Used AVG for so long myself. I just want one person to tell me why they rated it a 1. Of course, they can't, so it won't happen and thats all the answer I need :)
     
  17. Sharagoz

    Sharagoz Private First Class

    How long has the gamer edition been out? A week?
    I dont see how anybody can have any substantial basis of voting on, including you.

    At 40 bucks a year it better be brilliant compared to the free alternatives before I recommend it to anybody. After seeing how much trouble the Norton Firewall is causing people it will take a good while before I'm giving any of their security products a shot.
     
  18. Major Attitude

    Major Attitude Co-Owner MajorGeeks.Com Staff Member

    Ive been running it. Ask me questions. Like everyone else, you have not answered the question. Why rate it a 1?

    Thats it, seems no one even gets the point. Oh, and a week is more then enough. Test performance and detection and removal. Thats all. Ive been evaluating software since it came on floppies, you tend to get good at it after 12 or so years.

    You end your comment with the same attitude that causes people to vote it down.


    From here on out, answer my question people or dont reply as it will be deleted.



     
  19. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    Well so far no problems with it. It does use around 2% more RAM. :-D I am sure I could tweak it and get the usage down, but this is just a web browser so a couple of % either way is not an issue.

    I do have one complaint. And this is really a pet peave of mine with software these days. It automaticly put an icon in my toolbar, no problem there, but it put a Gadget in the sidebar by default. Sure, I just removed it, but I hate when programs try to 'advertise' on my desktop. Again, no big deal, just aggravates me.
     
  20. Major Attitude

    Major Attitude Co-Owner MajorGeeks.Com Staff Member

    2% over what other program, I forget Avast? Your on Vista, I am on XP, so I usually hover under 5 megs, which seems good. I also have no sidebar, so that would annoy me a bit as well. Thanks for tinkering, good to get some feedback from someone who used it. Let me know what you would rate it when your done from the usual 1-5 with 1 being lowst, 5 being highest.

     
  21. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    Yeah, 2% more than Avast. No big deal. My RAM was at 38% with Avast and Opera open, now it is at 40% with Norton and Opera. No big deal. This laptop has too much junk running on it, I have not tweaked it like I do my main computers. With all the programs running in the background, it is still a fast little sucker!

    Just posted so people could see the actual % change. I love the CPU and RAM usage meter on the sidebar.
     
  22. Major Attitude

    Major Attitude Co-Owner MajorGeeks.Com Staff Member

    If you play games, look for "turn on gamer mode" in the tray and see how she goes with a game on. This is a sweet feature which isnt for everybody, of course.
     
  23. Appzalien

    Appzalien Staff Sergeant

    I went to the page you listed and downloaded the software, and although I am wary of anything by Symantec I may give this one a try and vote afterwards. But to complain about votes is absurd, unless the vote corresponds to a comment. If I vote 1 without the ability to say why, or others the ability to read why I voted the way I did, the voting process becomes less an informitive function and more just random noise. So don't complain about your own device, improve it instead.
     
  24. Major Attitude

    Major Attitude Co-Owner MajorGeeks.Com Staff Member

    True, but we already are working on a comment system, we are only two people, not a big corporation and the system I want needs time to develop. We both had personal issues slow things down, not to mention time and development costs. I do disagree, it was rated a 1 by people who automatically rated it on what they heard, not the facts and that is wrong. Again, I have done this for years and it is no 1 vote meaning uninformed people vote, people who are yet to come here and tell me why. Otherwise, tell me personally you think it is a 1, if you do? Would like your opinion when your done please.
     
  25. Bugballou

    Bugballou MajorGeek

    Used Norton Internet Security until '04, went back to '03 for the remainder of '04. Then went with Trend Micro's offering until the middle of this year, uninstalled it after 6 months of a 12 month subscription, on three machines. Windows is a real money pit, as in she is high maintenance. I am using a free Linux OS to post this, Avast AV and Shorewall FW were freeware as well, and installations went w/o a hitch, w/o a reboot. Also purchased Norton's Save and Restore a few years back, used it about a month , wasted cash we could have bought groceries with. I did not vote on it, and will not try it, not even on our free dual core desktop with its 1.5G of RAM. Twice bitten, thrice shy. Just my rant on what I once considered quality products from a quality organization. Hope that the worm has turned for Symantec. My baby is American Made...:p
     
  26. Major Attitude

    Major Attitude Co-Owner MajorGeeks.Com Staff Member

    Good to know how much all of our hard work and opinions are respected by a handful.
     
  27. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    Well, I am starting to like this Norton thing. And I won't lie, I have thought anything Norton was a POS no matter what. And honestly MA, I tried it so I could list all the faults and problems it caused. I have not been running it very long, but it has a lot of configeration options, virus scan is quick, and I see no real world performance issues with my laptop.

    Dang you for having good software for me to try! :-D

    I am going to run it for the next week or so and see if I can find anything wrong with it. So far I am impressed. My only complaint is the gadget it installs by default on my sidebar. But a right click and remove gets rid of it, so I mean, I am looking hard for faults...

    Oh yeah. My one complaint. It is not free. ;)
     
  28. dlb

    dlb MajorGeek

    Very interesting. I personally do not vote on anything I have not personally tried myself. By 'tried', I mean I have used the app in question. That doesn't mean that I installed it, played with it for 5 minutes, then said "this sucks" or "this rocks", and then voted for or against. It means I used the app thoroughly for an amount of time, usually at least a few days. I don't see how an informed opinion can come about unless the app has been completely tried out in different circumstances for which the app was designed to see if it works as described, and how effective it is at doing what it's supposed to do. A while back I jumped the gun with a new AV app here at MG (no need to mention the name). I raved about it because, at first, it seemed like a great app, but after using it for a couple of days, I saw my original opinion was wrong; the app was pretty lame for what I needed at the time. Like Fred G, I'm a big fan of freeware. Anything free. If I can get a good app for free, I'll do that over paying for something. However, I have paid for apps that are worth paying for. So if this paid version of Norton does what it should, and does it better/faster/easier/etc than its free competitors, I'll probably buy it. (Did I just say I might actually buy a Norton app?!?!?! LOL)

    Anyway- thanks for the heads up MA. Because I honestly trust your opinion, I'm actually going to try the Norton version you linked to. I'll uninstall my current AV (which is Avira) and try the Norton. If I find it to be better than Avira, I'll buy it.

    [dlb]
     
  29. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    "(Did I just say I might actually buy a Norton app?!?!?! )"

    LOL! I had an internet slowdown half an hour ago, and I instantly blamed the dang Norton. My other computer was just as slow. Perhaps Norton has removed their head from the dark smelly place and made a good product.

    The only 'fault' I can see so far is it is not free like Avast. But, it seems to have a lot more options. I love freeware, but if it works, I don't mind paying for it.
     
  30. Cat_w_9_lives

    Cat_w_9_lives Major KittyCat

    Maybe those that rated a "1" should look here, rated Adv+
    http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/ergebnisse/report19.pdf

    I used Norton SSs till 2005 and never had a problem but I'm not a power user or a gamer. I recommend Norton Suites to family/friends because it's user friendly and does the job for them. If I installed Comodo on their PCs they would be calling me dail. I like Comodo but not friendly for some users.

    Ranking it a "1" is just unfair and bias, can you remove the ranking if just silly? I looked at other reviews 3.5-4 range.
     
  31. studiot

    studiot MajorGeek

    I was Norton user for the best part of a decade, on a least some computers.

    I like(d) the fact you could log on to Symantec and find details /removal instructions of most suspicious objects.

    Then in 2006 things went horribly wrong. I had to keep reactivating my protection, for no good reason. Finally it wouldn't even do that, just before the subscription became due.

    After wasted Email and phone calls I wrote a real letter to the Symantec CEO. Asking what I should do and what I should say say to customers who were in a similar position.

    Two years on and I am still waiting for an acknowledgement, let alone a reply.

    Meanwhile I changed to alternative protection and got on with my life and my business.

    So my first question is

    I am told (yet again) that Symantec has a wonderful new version of Norton. Mebbe so but does anyone know what will happen come renewal date? or if a user simply needs help?

    I would say that I average two or three pcs a week that work perfectly again once some version of Norton has been removed.

    So my second question is

    What would I say to the owners of these pcs that might persuade them to shell out for yet another version of Norton?


    No I haven't voted, I will wait till 2010 to see if the product stands the test of time. If so users will be demanding it by name.
     
  32. studiot

    studiot MajorGeek

    To those who believe Norton 2009 is a good thing.

    Read first page 22 of the latest issue of Personal Computer World (March2009).

    If unconvinced then read

    page 26 of the same rag.
     

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