Can it be done?

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by sobeit, Nov 17, 2012.

  1. sobeit

    sobeit Master Sergeant

    Hi all.
    At the mo my router is on my desk in the lounge next to my pc on an extension socket, not ideal and I'm not getting the best reception around the house.
    I want my pc to still run on ethernet but don't want to put new cables in.

    The master socket is under the stairs.
    I have a ethernet cable that runs from under the stairs to my loft doing nothing at the moment.
    I have another ethernet cable that runs from my desktop pc in the lounge to the same area in the loft as the first.
    In my loft I have a wireless 4 port router acting as a access point.

    Would this work?
    I put my router under the stairs and plug the ethernet cable into it, then, in the loft plug the two ethernet cables into the router acting as a access point and plug the other end of the second cable into my pc creating a sort of 'ring main'.

    Cheers.
     
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2012
  2. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi Sobeit


    Yes very possible and I run Powerline Ethernet at home and it runs perfectly, I use it to connect two desktops and a Smart TV to my internet, saving using the WiFi.

    http://www.netgear.co.uk/home/products/powerline-and-coax/ is good.

    But as you have if you can connect the router to the Ethernet cables you already have installed you can network the PCs and internet all in one place, just make sure that the internet connection be it phone/cable is ok, if cable it should be but if phone interent then you really need the router to be next to the main phone socket and not using extension cables as this will reduce the signal a lot, hence why I use Powerline.
     
  3. sobeit

    sobeit Master Sergeant

    Thanks for the reply.
    I'd looked at those powerline things but found mixed reviews.
    Obviously still not as good as ethernet cable but if you use them and they are pretty good then I may invest.

    The router at the moment is on a phone cable extension that is about 10 metres long so I really could do with moving it to the master socket.
    The other cables running up to the loft are Cat 5 cables so should be fine.

    I have just been up my loft and found one of these amongst my junk. http://www.netgear.com/service-provider/products/switches/unmanaged-desktop-switches/FS108.aspx#

    I take it this will do my cable connecting job?
    Just plug everything in to this in the loft and it should all talk to each other?

    BTW, if I do get powerline stuff will the 500mbps type (about £85 the pair) be fast enough to stream info to a you view box?
     
  4. BILLMCC66

    BILLMCC66 Bionic Belgian

    I have been using TP-LINK powerline http://www.tp-link.com/en/products/details/?model=TL-PA211KIT for over 2 years now and would not go back to wifi,it runs at 200mbps so is incredibly fast and not only that it is just as secure as an ethernet cable.
    It utilizes the electric circuit in your home so if you have a power socket you have internet.
    Like David i run 2 PCs and a smart TV on the system.
     
  5. foogoo

    foogoo Major "foogoo" Geek

    What is a master socket? Do you have a 'modem' and a router? How many ethernet ports? What service is this DSL or cable?
     
  6. BILLMCC66

    BILLMCC66 Bionic Belgian

    This system works by connecting one of the units to your modem with a short ethernet cable (master socket)and then putting it in a power socket. after that you can connect a second,(slave socket)third or fourth unit by plugging it into any power outlet in your house and with another short cable to the PC or TV and you have internet service wherever there is a power outlet.
    You can then if you wish turn off the Wifi on your modem thereby negating anyone else using your internet service.
     
  7. sobeit

    sobeit Master Sergeant

    BILL, thanks for that.
    I know sort of how they work.
    It is the speed I'm concerned with.
    I'm wondering what percentage you get using these.
    Lets say you lose 40% using wireless instead of ethernet, how much less efficient are these powerline things than ethernet?

    foogoo, here in the UK a master socket is the first socket the phone line reaches inside the house.
    Any sockets after those are extensions.
    Obviously the more longer the extension the chance of interference is greater especially down these tiny copper wires.
    It's amazing that it works at all but there you go.

    It's DSL, I have just a router with two ethernet ports.
     
  8. BILLMCC66

    BILLMCC66 Bionic Belgian

    I personally have found the system to be just as fast as a direct ethernet connection.
    I am not going to say there is NO loss but it is negligible.
     
  9. foogoo

    foogoo Major "foogoo" Geek

    I know that you should get better reception with the router being up, but if you can't then try moving it down to your desk? I can't get a clear picture of your set up.
     

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  10. sobeit

    sobeit Master Sergeant

    Not quite foogoo but then I didn't explain it very well.
    I kept some stuff out of the picture trying not to complicate things but now you have decided to play "can you tell what it is yet?" I've added my own contribution. :)

    Current setup and proposed setup.
    As you can see, I need to send the signal to the loft to get wifi to the antenna on my chimney to serve my workshop/music room.

    I want to use ethernet A to send signal to the 8 port switch in the hope that this switch will be able to serve the access point and my pc.
    This will save me putting more cables in.
    From what I can gather the 8 port switch is nothing complicated and needs no setting up? Unless you know different.........................
     

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  11. foogoo

    foogoo Major "foogoo" Geek

    ok if it is an 'off the shelf' consumer switch that should work as in your diagram. Consumer switches are not managed so you don't have to do anything but plug it in.

    much easier to understand.
    Thanks
     
  12. sobeit

    sobeit Master Sergeant

    Hi all.
    I've finally had time to get this done.
    I did it today and as you've said it was just plug and go.
    I'm wondering if I will lose any speed?
    The cables are about 20m (10m to the switch in the loft then 10m back down to the pc).
    Will the switch being a 10/100 and not a gigabit be a problem?
    It's also only cat 5 cable not the latest 6 but from what I've read this shouldn't be too bad.
    I also think I'm going to get a pair of those Powerline things, at £38.00 for a pair running at 500mbps it's not much dearer than running another cable and lots less mess.
    Any advice appreciated.
    Cheers.
     
  13. sobeit

    sobeit Master Sergeant

    Hi fseo1.
    Firstly, please don't hijack others threads.
    I expected an answer to my questions not a question from someone else.
    Second, I don't think you are meant to use the forums for advertising.
    Cheers.
     
  14. Major Attitude

    Major Attitude Co-Owner MajorGeeks.Com Staff Member

    Don't feed the trolls. Report the post next time as someone else did.

     
  15. sobeit

    sobeit Master Sergeant

    Awww.
    Trolls are my favourite creature, ah well I'll have to find a new hobby!!
     

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