church v. science part 2

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Got ya Abby just thought i would bring a smile to that hurting head of yours
and i was wondering whats the back story of your pains? because i know a few people going through the same thing and i might know of a few things for ya to try and if you don't feel like posting it here feel free to pm me

 

Well you're WRONG and here's why: yadda yadda yadda, ergo ipso facto.

 

Hah - you are BOTH right of course . . . unless it's the other way around in which case it may not actually be as indicated prior to the initial discourse concerning the aforementioned statement . . . on a Tuesday.

 

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Thanks for the offer but in my case I'm stuck with the problems I have. Long story...and as the Dr's say, I am unique as all ranges of my spine have various maladies....cervical, thoracic, lumbar and sacrum....it's wonderful (NOT!) when my coccyx pops out of joint and the Dr is trying to get it to go back in place.

When I was 6 I was run over by a car (went around and under the wheel 3 times) which resulted in massive injuries. The injuries I recall from what my mother told me were 7 fractured vertebra, pelvis fractured in 6 places, left hip was shattered, broken ribs, etc., etc. It was a miracle I even survived. After the majority of healing and surgeries were done I had to learn how to walk and talk all over again..spent a LONG time in hospital. I continued to have flare ups (aches & pains) all my life but nothing to severe so I essentially had a normal life..school swim team, gymnastics, loved to play basketball and climb trees etc. Then in 1991 I was rear ended while stopped at a red light. That wasn't too bad but 3 months later I was rear ended again while stopped in traffic waiting for a car in front of me to make a turn. I was hit really hard and my seat belt didn't lock so I hit the side of the brand new van I was driving and ended up wrapped around behind the steering wheel. In addition to severe whiplash (van seat had no head rest) I went numb from the waist down shortly after the accident. Pretty scary.

As a result of all the trauma I suffer from severe muscle spasm, migraines, bi-lateral sciatica and my thoracic region locks up so bad that my Chiropractor can't even get it to move when it's flared up and this is one of the triggers for headaches and the sciatica cuz it effects the rest of my spine/muscles. I also have fibromyalgia which the Dr's think is a direct result of all the trauma I have endured. I can't handle the cold at all...dampness or temps. below around 60 are killer. Every time I go to NY to see my family I'm pretty gimpy, especially the first few hours of the morning. When I lived in NY it got to the point where I merely existed day to day..in FL I actually live. I miss my family terribly http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/star17abby/cry.gif but I honestly don't think I would have survived much longer had I stayed in NY. The pain and accompanying depression was unbearable.

I have been to so many Dr's...specialists, surgeons, therapists...etc. and it's always the same. No back surgery cuz I would stand a 50/50 chance of being paralyzed from the waist down. Therapy as needed...daily exercise (stretches) and there are certain things I have to avoid so as not to aggravate things...an obvious one...roller coasters...LOL..a more difficult one...refrain from sneezing or coughing....*thud* Seriously, if a cough or sneeze catches me off guard and I don't get into the proper position quick it's a major set-back.

That's life eh? What doesn't kill ya just makes ya stronger. I'm a firm believer in that old saying 'everything happens for a reason' and while I get angry and frustrated at times I know that God doesn't give me more than I can handle...despite my 'down' times, I feel I have been blessed in more ways than I can count.

So, in a nut shell....this is the hand I was dealt..it could have been a lot worse. I often go long periods of time without a severe flare up as long as I'm careful and take care of myself but I do have those times when I have flare ups and can't figure out why or what happened to bring it on. I'm still able to walk around and live my life...get into play fights with Chris ( I WIN! LOL) and have the love and support of more people than I ever expected, Chris being at the top of that list..he's so amazing...when I get down they lift me back up...life is good.

 

I have a hangnail

 

LMAO...you better call 911 pronto!! Maybe Abbey will make you some chicken noodle soup??

WOW, Abbey...I can most definately see why you would have your good days and your bad ones!!!! I feel for you on the sneezing and coughing thing...had to deal with that during a couple of back surgeries...scares the crap outta ya!!

Well...on a better note...you DID survive, and like you said...god only gives you as much as he thinks you can handle!! Hope you get back to the upside again soon!!!!

Also...if you know where these people live, that rear ended you...we could get the goon squad (as my grandpa called it) and go beat'em up!!!!

Hope to see more of you around here soon!! BTW...have you sold your humble abode yet??

Roger

 

Oh No!!!!...when you get home I'll cut your finger off...no finger, no hangnail..problem solved

 

Thanks Roger. I was sitting here cracking up when I read about the goon squad. I just asked my daughter (again) last week if she could got to (name withheld) house and beat the crap outta her for me. LMAO

I was so ticked at the time of the accident. I was slightly paranoid about getting rear ended again after the first accident so I was very aware of cars behind me. I was sitting there waiting for this guy to turn....there was a long line of on-coming traffic and I saw she was traveling along at a good rate...as she got closer I could see her looking back over her left shoulder at some 'guys' in the park..knew she was gonna hit me...my choices were limited (actually non-existent)...I could either whip the wheel to the right, gun it and try to climb the big old tree that was right there next to me, turn to the left...gun it and face the on-coming line of traffic or push the brake pedal as hard as I could and pray that I wouldn't be pushed into the camero in front of me and then into on-coming traffic.

What made it that much worse? She got a 6 month ACD...that's it...and b/c I sued (their insurance company) for medical costs (they exceeded my employers insurance) and loss of wages (I was not able to return to my job due to the physical requirements) she has made it her life mission to make herself heard all about how I 'faked' my injuries...I have even been confronted about this by people she knows..people I didn't know but who somehow knew who I was...about how evil I am for lying and causing all these problems for her re: insurance rates went up. An offer to share my CT scan, MRI and X-ray films usually shuts them up..but..it doesn't make it any less upsetting.

People are so ignorant sometimes..if they can't 'see' the injury....a cast, a brace a wheelchair, etc. they figure there is nothing wrong and so many of them just make things worse with their vicious, thoughtless gossip.

 

Christ Abby, around the wheel three times?!?!?! It IS a miracle you're still alive! That must've sucked! And at 6yo I could just imagine how scarey that must be. You're one tough chick.


Damn.



-Steve

 

Pretty freakin` horrible for me too...still bothers me at times. Love ya sis...

 

Yeah, it did suck. It's an experience I'll never forget..I remember so many of the details vividly...including the middle aged couple who slowed down in their big black car...drove around me after I'd been run over (me laying there screaming my head off for my mother and bloody from head to toe)...they parked their car..looked over at me then just calmly walked away.

I was lucky it was the back wheel...had it been the front with the additional weight of the engine on top of me I'm sure I wouldn't be here now.

And thanks...I like to think I'm pretty tough. A survivor...things may get me down..I may even feel total hopelessness but I always manage to pull myself back up again and keep moving forward.

 

I know..I remember your horror as well as my own..and you running to get help. Love you too.

 

Hmm. Well I sure hope things start healing up and the pain eases in time for Christmas, Abby. Living in constant pain with spinal and joint injuries in no picnic, I know that for a fact. It just gets ya down. The pain is bad enough, but just not being able to do what you want/have to do is real drag, I know. I’ll keep you in my prayers and thought for a speedy recovery/relief.

Oh yeah, I just had the grommets in my ear drums cleaned out and replaced earlier this week. Been trying to put off the major operation behind the right eye until after Christmas at least. I dunno wether I mention it but the growth in the back of my noggin, that's been there for 25 years ha started to do bad things again, since I had that virulent Flu bug a few months ago. The M.RI. wasn’t very encouraging, I’ll admit. Eyesight in the right eye is down by 60% and the left only by about 15-20% or so. I've been wearing the old eye patch ,like the proverbial Pirate for a good while now, LoL. I'm trying to put off the major op. as long as possible, because it involves popping the eye out of my head and to get at all the build up and pressure behind the eye. And since there is a chance it might damage the optic nerve and send me blind anyway I'm more than a little apprehensive about it.

Oh well at least I'm not falling out of chairs and such like a darn fool as much with me new grommets. Anyway there was no way in Hell I wanted to spend my birthday in hospital (I hate those places), so I got myself released last night.

Then again, it could always be worse. We cold have Chris' hangnail.

I hope you both have wonderful Thanksgiving. I guess you will both be stuffed, besides the Turkey, LoL!

Regards, Barry.

 

I just caught up on this thread. Seems , for some reason, my browser is marking stuff as read, even though I haven't read it

@Abby....I never realised you were dealing with the fibromyalgia thing too. That alone in itself is enough for one person to have to cope with. I struggled with this and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) for 6 years. It took 5 to get a diagnosis! When it got to the point of considering a wheelchair they finally sent me for residential rehab. Thankfully I have made pretty much a full recovery now. I feel so much for you Abby. I still remember how hard each morning was to face, and I have nothing but total admiration for the way you continue to embrace each day despite the pain. You are a shining light to us all, as are many regulars here who deal day-to-day with physical and mental difficulties.

Big hugs to all out there who feel they need a hug today

 

i know the feeling just because someone does not see something wrong with ya on the out side that does not mean something is not wrong on the inside. my mother has some of the same things wrong with her. have you tryed them patches called "Duragesic"?

 

Abbey, where do I sign up for the goon squad at? I may be older, fatter and slower but I can still break 2X4's with my bare hands and people still are scared of me when I come around (I think it's my ugly mug LOL). Anyway, I will redouble my prayers for you, GT and Phantom as well (did not know you were sick Barry). Let me know if there is ANYTHING else I can do for you all. You have all been so good to me and mine I cannot begin to repay you.

Now on another note, if I may..... I need prayers for my daughter. She has been having some difficulties and the Dr.'s now think it may be either Crohn's Disease or a bacterial infection (they are leaning towards the Crohn's).

Thanks and God bless,

Jack

OH almost forgot, wanted to let you all know, Jean (my wife) has now been off of her Parkinson's Disease medications for a full year. The Dr.'s said she would never be off of them but God has proven them wrong once again. God does work in WONDEROUS ways.

 

Awesome news about your wife They said the same to me about some meds. I've been off them nearly 3 years now God is good

Your daughter has my prayers. I have a friend who has Crohn's...there are some great meds to help keep it under control, on a positive note, if it turns out that way.

 

@ Phantom....Thank you so much. I will continue to pray all works out for you. And I agree, hospitals suck...have spent more than my share of time in them.


@ Lev..the fibro was just the icing on the cake I guess. What's one more malady added to the mix? lol Fortunately my Dr was on the ball and sent me to a specialist when we couldn't get my pain under control and it was getting so bad there were days I couldn't move around or use my arms. I even had a home health aid for quite a while....that bothered me more than anything.
Thank you so much for your kind sweet words..that means a lot coming from you and I'm so glad to hear that your issues are under control.

@ N56...yes, I've had the duragesic patch and I was for the first time pain free. While it may be good for some it wasn't for me. Having been required by State Law to go through certification in order to administer medication to my clients I was already hesitant about this med b/c I knew the ins and outs of it. I decided to try it anyway and it made me sicker than a dog so I went off it. The Dr had me try it again along with compazine to combat the sickness but I still couldn't deal with the side effects and had to make a choice. I could either continue to be doped up on a highly addictive opiate, have no pain but go through life in a fog not fully aware of everything around me or I could learn to live with the pain to the best of my ability and 'be' aware. I chose to keep my brain cells fully functional and tossed the patch. LOL While I'm in pain all the time I would rather be this way than like a zombie...can't 'live' life if you're doped up.

@ Jack...LMAO Goon Squad line forms to the left.

Thank you for your support and prayers. I as you know have good days and bad days...but at least I can function and still walk around the majority of time. For that I thank God everyday....it could be so much worse. I just get down when I'm in severe flare up mode..not so much cuz it's unexpected but b/c the pain is so intensified and it lasts so long. At least here in FL I feel so much better than I did in NY. That too is a blessing.

I'm so glad to hear your wife is doing so well. I remember when you first posted about that. God does answer prayers and you folks are such kind, selfless, giving people how could he not answer yours?

I will pray for your daughter's health. It's so scary when you are facing the unknown, more so when it's your child. Fortunately with all the advancement in medicine people who do suffer from Crohn's disease have a much better quality of life than they did even 5 years ago. I have a cousin who suffers with this..she is now doing well. Hopefully your daughter just has a bacterial infection and it can be cleared up soon. Huggs! to you and yours!

 

Please stop it Teresa, you are making me cry and it's not good for my macho image to be crying in public. You take care and if you and Chris needs anything that I can give just give me a jingle. Did I ever give you my phone number? I can't remember anymore.

Cya hon,
Jack

 

I just want to say my prayers are with all of you Abby, Phantom, Lev, Wraith and your daughter and all of your families. GT you know you have mine, also.

Reading these posts makes me realize how lucky I am. My handicapped daughter spent 2 years in the hospital, but since then, not one single day. (I think she is immuned to everything now after all the meds she was on )
Everyone else has their health.

We are going thru some stuff right now with my son. He had moved out, thinking he knew everything, then called yesterday and has moved back in now with us. My other girls aren't happy because of the way he left. But, he's my son, and if it was one of them, I would do the same thing. I hope and pray they realize this.

Take care all.
Gal

 

@ Jack..aww...I'm sowry...but I won't tell about the tears....I promise.

Thanks gal. TBH, I think we are all lucky in one way or another. We have our crosses to bear, each and every one of us but I think our attitudes and outlook on life in general is so very important. We can either choose to let the tough times bring us down and those who care about us right along with us, or we can choose to look at it as another stepping stone and learn from it. Take something positive from every situation...it's there if we take the time to look for it rather than wallowing in self pity. If we focus on that one little thing, bring it to the forefront no matter how down or helpless we feel it will give you the strength to overcome or at the very least, move on and adjust to the situation at hand...Make the best of it. At least that's what I try to do.

While I know there are many that don't agree with my 'philosophy' all I can say is that is how I try approach anything I face. Chris often says when we are out and about just riding around that he gets more pleasure from watching me and my reaction to things than he does looking at what I'm looking at himself b/c he can see the sheer joy and pleasure on my face as I simply observe the little things that are all around us. It's the simple things in life that are so important to me. I don't need money or material things...sure they are nice but in the grand scheme of things they are unimportant. Life, love and living life to it's fullest, respect and consideration for others and kindness in general are what is important.

And always remember, don't ever forget that there are literally millions of people who have it a lot worse than any of us do...you can draw strength from that also if you choose too.

 

Sorry, Jack - I almost missed this. Thanks for the well-wishes. With regards to your daughter and prayers - consider it did! I actually know a few people with Crohn's disease, so I know at least something of the tribulations it puts one through.

On a brighter note - great news about your wife, Jack! Yeah, the Lord and prayer power never ceases to amaze me either.

Re: Abby:- No truer words said, Teresa. It may be somewhat of a cliché that "when the going gets tough, the tough get going", but it's essentially true. And when we're not 'tough' enough, that's when friendships and I believe, a power higher and greater than mine, comes into play.

It is true that we need to turn the stumbling blocks of adversary into the stepping stones of advancement. At the very least, as you said, we carn use it as a learning experience. I've often wondered why the bad things impress on our psyche so much. It took me a long time to realise the blindingly obvious fact that bad events impress us so deeply, in order that we may learn from it and grow.

The simple things in life are indeed the best. Taken by them selves they may seem trivial, or inconsequential, but together they each wonder of the world and universe around us, not only deeply influences us, but makes what we are.

All too often, people lead a 'blinkered' existence are so busy trying to be so-called 'successful' that they miss out on the vast majority of what life, in my opinion, at least is all about.

People that talk to me, and know of the numerous injustices in my life just can't figure out why I'm not madder than Hell at those concerned. I've been down that road, but never again. It doesn't take from your adversaries - it takes from you. But life is way too short for that, and I'm not about to throw away any more than I need to.

That's a little of what I think, anyway.

 

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All this time I just assumed AbbySue's real name was Abby, Tabitha, or something to that effect...and here I just figured out it was Theresa!!

Hmmmmm....don't take me long does it!?!?!?!

Roger

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Wrong! My name is Teresa NOT Theresa

Sorry..it's a real sore spot for me..long story I won't get into here.

 

Ummm, not quiet. Drop the 'h', and ya got it, heh, heh!


[Edit: Okay, so I've just spotted Abby's post. Oops, too slow, am I, LoL!]

 

God help any of you folks that accidently call her "Terry".

 

Woah!!

My bad...i'll most definately keep that in mind!!

Roger

 

You do that and we'll get along just fine! LOL

 

Teresa, you know I love ya girl!

Phantom, don't worry about almost missing my post. I know only too well how easy it is to do that one!

Rog, do you need to borrow my coke-bottom glasses so you won't mis-spell any more names? LOL

Chris, that "Terry" comment sounded like the voice of experience, dare I asked the results?

 

"We have our crosses to bear, each and every one of us but I think our attitudes and outlook on life in general is so very important. We can either choose to let the tough times bring us down and those who care about us right along with us, or we can choose to look at it as another stepping stone and learn from it. Take something positive from every situation...it's there if we take the time to look for it rather than wallowing in self pity."

I think that says it all Teresa ! From personal experience, I can tell you that all the tablets, caspules and patches won't cure the pain of a poor outlook.
We have a patient at our pharmacy suffering from one of the most painful forms of bone cancer around - and she looks like a million bucks everytime she comes in - ALWAYS a smile and a kind word for everyone. Her husband is much the same, although he gets down time to time and talks to me or the other pharmacist about the bad days. She has chosen NOT to inflict her suffering on others, the way so many do, and I hope I have the courage and grace to face such a situation in a similar fashion.

Love and Kisses!! ( Don't tell Chris), and always, prayers.

 

Why? What happens? Does she turn into a werewolf or something?! or does she tear into you?

 

depression and inability to handle cold can also be caused by inactive thyroid. I got cold a few winters ago, and couldn't get warm. My doc tested me, found underactive thyroid, put me on thyroid meds and I was burning up, felt good!

 

So many people carrying heavy loads. Most doing it quietly and bravely. We've got one heck of a group here.

Teresa, Jack, Barry, you're all in my prayers. Yes, God does do wonderful things. Sometimes the wonderful things He does is strictly in our hearts and souls. What we deal with in our lives makes us what we are, and the tough times most of all.

 

well after the 2nd of next month i might not be online very much my mother is having surgery so i will have to take care of her and everything else for afew weeks

 

I am also mindful of your, and others, situation, Gary. You will remain in our prayers, also.

 

Good point...but I've already been religiously taking syntrhoid for hypothyroidism for 15 years. It threw me for a loop until it was under control. My levels are tested regularly and sometimes more frequently, I can always tell when my dosage needs to be adjusted again...wish everything was so easy to get under control.

 

One of my cancers was thyroid cancer and I can tell you that when your thyroid is not acting properly it can be hell!

I had no idea about the health problems some members suffer from. I knew about GT and that was it. I hope for the best for everyone.

I'm having trouble trying to find the right words. I don't know people very well here and don't really know what to say, but I wanted to say something because I can relate to having health problems.

I just hope everyone gets better and stays healthy.