Civil Rights Still Has A Long Way To Go In Estados Unidos

Economists and state bodies know very precisely the minimum figure of direct government funding of those actions. It is not in dispute by anyone as is the fact that just one 5 year action cost many times more than the banking crash bailout.
It's simple - wage a monstrously expensive illegal war or use a tiny part of that money to solve 25,000 deaths every single day from lack of access to clean water.

You are wrong on the UN and the Iraq war - in the view of the UN itself and virtually the entire world.
The statistics on teenage pregnancy in the developed world are not disputed. The reasons for the higher rates is also not much disputed by anyone.

 

You have lost me, buddy. I didn't dispute the cost of anything. I questioned you about specific things you have said pertaining to "western culture" while you used various incidents and their cost to bolster your opinion. How about sticking to what you said?

I told you your understanding of the crash of 2007/2008 is nil, and your understanding of finance in general is lacking (nothing you have posted since has changed that observation), and you respond with bean counters know exactly what was spent on this or that, lol What, exactly, does that have to do with my statement? Nothing. You avoid meaningful debate. Why?

You combine the cost of the Iraq war with your opinion it was illegal and immoral . . . but you refuse to debate it. I gave you a UN resolution that allowed it, and you simply say it's not so.

I did not dispute statistics on teenage pregnancy. Why do you claim I did? I do challenge your assertion that the causes are "not much disputed" . . . they most certainly are.

. . . aaaand you still refuse to identify the more enlightened cultures that you spoke of.

I'm not your enemy, Max . . . I'm just trying to see where you are coming from. You aren't making it easy.

 

Ok let's see some facts.
To invade a sovereign country it requires the voting agreement of the UN Security council - that's the law that every member signs up to. There was no legal permission for the war, ergo it was illegal.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/16/iraq.iraq
That was not my 'opinion' but the opinion of UN officials, the opinion of the UK governments own most senior law officer and all 28 members of its legal department on foreign policy.
The whole world knew it was illegal and based on lies at the time.
Colin Powell has even admitted to LYING at the UN on the issue, and the UN senior weapons inspectors disputed the WMD claims long before the invasion.

I know plenty about the banking crash. It could only happen because President Bill Clinton changed regulatory law in 1998. That allowed primarily US banks to create 'investment' packages made up hugely of sub-prime never-ever-would-be-repaid debt. That was sold around the world.
It's so simple an 11 year old at school could understand it. Countries like The UK assisted that process with their own failure to ensure effective regulation.
Iceland has jailed 26 bankers for their role in the crisis in their country, and the Icelandic people in their 10s of 1000s marched to ensure that the Icelandic government told countries like the UK to bugger off when it wanted them to pay for investment losses.
Shame no other country has acted so well.

 

Yes, lets look at some facts. Not media generated hysteria parroted over a decade after the fact.

In your 12 year old article, there is a paragraph that I quote below:

"The UN chief had warned the US and its allies a week before the invasion in March 2003 that military action would violate the UN charter. But he has hitherto refrained from using the damning word "illegal"."

The "opinion" of "UN officials" does not have the force of law. My opinion on marijuana is it should be legal for adults . . . many share that opinion . . . but that does not have the force of law. Period dot. Your statement that "the whole world knew it was illegal and based on lies" is just your opinion. Your opinion does not have the force of law. Colin Powell's statements have been disputed by those with as much authority, connection, and knowledge as he had. I respect Powell . . . I met him and have a copy of his book.

You are on the right track about the financial crash. But my question as to your point when you originally brought it up you have avoided.

 

The UN constitution makes clear an invasion of a sovereign country requires a Security Council vote.
It didn't happen.
I'm amused that you carry on with a viewpoint that is not only disputed by the world's legal minds, but is disputed by 100s of MILLIONS of people including a substantial majority of US citizens shown in many polls.
The only people supporting your view in senior public positions are those who should be hanging from a very rough rope.
124,000 US service personnel have committed suicide as a result of those military actions - compared to the 6000 killed in the military field itself.
The Blairs, the Bushes, the Rumsfelds and Cheneys have that on their conscience, let alone the 1 million dead Iraqis.

Thank goodness for the massive number of US citizens who have voted for Sanders in the primaries - Sanders shares the pole opposite view to yours.

 

You offend me sir. You are reprehensible to use suicide rates to support your position. How dare you pretend to know the mind of men and women who have given their all for this country.

My viewpoint may be disputed, but not by all of the "world's legal minds" by any means. You call for the execution of those that disagree with your opinions, and that has no place in any civilized discourse. "100's of MILLIONs" of people, including a substantial number of of United States citizens do not support your view. Your opinion is not fact by any means, and you parrot hype.

I am done with you.

 

They are a fact of military action. Trying to hide them is disreputable to the memories of those people.
The implication of your comments is that only 'foreigners' (probably from non-white nations) should stand trial at courts of international justice.
Again, not shared by most civilised people in this world. If it was good for Milosevic and Karadzic (who didn't take actions resulting in illegal deaths and injuries even remotely approaching Blair and Bush) then it's good for others.
They wont hang, but they should.
Your heartfelt desire for censorship is sad because it is not shared by the vast majority of people who live on this planet.

 

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It has nothing to do with the Iraqi war, sex education, poverty, etc, etc.
Start another thread... and try to keep it on topic.

 

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