Do You Believe This

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by BILLMCC66, Dec 3, 2007.

  1. BILLMCC66

    BILLMCC66 Bionic Belgian

  2. Lev

    Lev MajorGeek

    Not really tech support issue - moving to Interesting Website Links
     
  3. musksnipe

    musksnipe Guest

    But Vista is so pretty and has a lot of nice features that XP doesn't. ;)
    Besides more RAM is cheap. rolleyes
     
  4. Adrynalyne

    Adrynalyne Guest

    Unused ram serves no purpose, for anything.

    I much rather have Vista pre-caching applications with my unused ram, than simply letting it sit unused like XP does.

    Of course, I don't buy cars to look at, either. I buy them to drive.

    But hey, to each their own.

    I guess another way to look at this, is launching app speed, etc. is not the only factor in speed.

    If I can search faster, or get a task done faster, or have a feature that makes my life easier, then in those instances....Vista is faster.

    Raw numbers mean little vs. real world use.

    Comparing something that is 6 years old vs. new software tech isn't fair, either. Of course older software crap is faster, but in the end, its still older crap. People who want newer need to pay the price for the hardware capable of performing.

    Linux of yesteryear is crap compared to now. Of course, Linux of today will generally not run on a computer that was a blue light special 6 years ago either. Not without losing features, or being limited on what distros you can run. Yet people expect Vista to run on their Pentium IIIs like a champ.

    rolleyes
     
  5. Adrynalyne

    Adrynalyne Guest

    There really isnt more to it.

    Every OS version has changes to it, and will continue to do things differently. Lets review some history.

    Windows XP is faster than Windows Vista.
    Windows 2000 is faster than Windows XP.
    Windows NT is faster than Windows 2000.
    Windows 98 is faster than Windows ME.
    Windows 95 is faster than Windows 98.
    Windows 3.1 is faster than Windows 95.

    I see a pattern emerging. I wish I still had the URL, but Halo linked me an old article regarding XP after 6 months, and it was like looking at a Vista article now. Comparing XP to previous OSes, how it was slower, application compatibility was an issue....yada, yada.
     
  6. BoredOutOfMyMind

    BoredOutOfMyMind Picabo, ICU

     
  7. Adrynalyne

    Adrynalyne Guest

    Real world computing is not reflected in benchmarking. It goes back to the whole thing where people play games, or they benchmark.
    I am concerned with how well it works when I use it, not when I test it.

    Office 2007 runs as fast as Office 2003 on my machine. I am content with it, and care not what some generic test showed.


    Discuss.
     
  8. Adrynalyne

    Adrynalyne Guest

    Business upgrade cycle is an entirely different beast. You will not see businesses upgrading until they have to, usually. There are many businesses still on Windows 2000. There is a difference between personal choice and financial decisions...

    There is a reason why I diss benchmarks. Here is why.

    What is running on the laptop in Vista, vs. XP? I know my Vista machine ran like poop from all the garbage the OEM loaded. Removing that, and its very, very fast.

    What were the fragmentation rates on the drive for each OS? That makes a difference on access time, as well.

    There are a bunch of these little factors that can and will sway the outcome of a benchmark. Thats why I will never trust them.
     
  9. musksnipe

    musksnipe Guest

    This is the old Vista vs. XP thing.......
    Reviews only mean something to me before I buy a product. Once I have the product, the reviews go out the window as I put whatever I bought through it's paces. I have bought things that had nominal reviews but turned out to far exceed what was in the review.
    I was leery of getting Vista. I had heard all the horror stories. I found them untrue for me. Vista has many nice add-ons, runs my system faster than the XP that I have in a dual-boot partition, is easy to configure and repair (if needed), and it is still an infant, but will get better as it matures.
     
  10. Adrynalyne

    Adrynalyne Guest

    I felt the same way when XP was released vs. 2000.

    At any rate--its not MS'es fault that apps are still written to use GDI...which btw, isnt even used for the Classic theme in Vista, hence no hardware acceleration when turning Aero off...


    The whole argument is akin to Rosetta on OS X.


    My thought on the whole Office using GDI thing is like Rosetta and PPC apps. Its only there because of backwards compatibility. If it was a Vista only app--No GDI. IMO, the right answer is what Apple and third party software companies do:

    Universal binaries. They install the version appropriate to the OS and hardware.

    Alas, will this happen? Doubt it. Software devs are a lazy bunch (usually), and MS probably wont do it on their own apps either.
     
  11. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member


    Here ya go http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3672_7-5021075-1.html?tag=bhed but dont click the large links as the article is old and those are dead, click the orangey arrow to move on pages.

    Similarities are spooky! and will be no different to what will be said about Windows 7 or next OS released.


    Totally agree, no point in fixing whats not broken and XP is since SP1 & SP2 been one of Microsofts better OSes, who knows on Vista post SP1 or SP2, Vista SP1 in latest build is an improvement over RTM in some areas, but its beta and has a bit to go to final release. Sadly many try and get new tech to work with old, while I totally think that there should be backwards compatability, this in real life doesnt always happen.. we have to move on, no point in standing still otherwise we'd all be using PCs with 64kb of ram still, so as you mentioned unless building or buying a new PC with current tech, migrating to Vista is not the best option in all cases.


    I do find that Office 2007 has improved my productivity, I find the ribbon menus much easier to find what object or task I wish to use, over using multiple dropdown menus, pictures/icons are easily recognisable for most, although as we are all brought up on File, Edit, View, Tools then it can take a while to get used to this new way, just need to overcome that barrier to change.
     

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