EU fines Microsoft record $1.4bn

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by N5638J, Feb 27, 2008.

  1. N5638J

    N5638J Guest

  2. musksnipe

    musksnipe Guest

    I don't really understand this. (It may be too early, yet) How can a European court fine an American business for anti-trust violations? Do companies in different parts of the world have to give up trade secrets now? :confused Couldn't those companies have hired some code writers and figured it out?
    I'm not really taking a side here, just wondering how this can actually be a violation.
    For instance, if Pfizer discovers a combination of drugs that cures disease X, do they have to give the formula to every other drug manufacturer, as long as they make it available to the population?
     
  3. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    The EU commission are a group of idiots, who cannot get anything right, at one point they wanted bananas to be straight not curved, plus if Microsoft have to divulge all their code then every other software company also has too ( google should publish their search engine code, Sun, Oracle etc all their server code )? this also goes for any company so the likes of car, drugs companies should have to publish all their designs and formulas as Muskie pointed out, patents would be worthless.

    Hell why not force MacDonalds to publish their secret sauce recipe!

    What the EU commission wanted Muskie is a scapegoat and a source of cash revenue to pay for the highly paid commissioners who do not voice the opinions of the people.....



    To quote this comment above, if MS went open source then it would be still ripe for hackers as they will have copies of the code to exploit, hence the term open source!!! I was at a chat last year when this was brought up, in relation to linux servers, while linux OSes in the home are not hacked or exploited much, the majority of servers that host websites are Linux based and its these that are exploited and sending the majority of the worlds malware to infect Windows PCs, mainly as Linux is the dominent player in this sector as Windows Server is not the major used server soft! worth thinking about.

    http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2008/02/rstbtool.html
    http://www.heise-online.co.uk/security/Sophos-Linux-machines-hijacked-for-botnets--/news/110132


    Linux home PCs are not majorly targeted.
     
  4. musksnipe

    musksnipe Guest

    Thanks for the info, Halo.
     
  5. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Any software that become the dominant player is ripe for exploit, it would be still the same if Linux or OSX where the major used OS, they would be exploited to hell.


    Sadly and to get a tad back onto topic, if Google, Linux and others have issues with MSFTs Operating System, Browser etc then its upto them to write a better ones, I know if they did I would likely use it, hell I use Gmail predominently as its the best for me, I love competition as its great for the consumer, but NO way should you stifle any companies new tech or what they bundle with it, its again upto the others to make a better job of it and put their money where their mouths are or shut the hell up.

    Apple have done a great job in cornering the MP3 player market, no issues with the Eu over this, Google have the search market sown up, so why are they not fined?

    The EU has many more issues that affect the people they serve to deal with than Microsoft, you only have to take the various prices of goods acrossthe EU to see this, even taking into concideration the exchange rate some goods are price fixed higher with no valid reasons! ( majority of time all thats changed in the $ symbol for the £ one ) This is what I want them to deal with, but they will not.


    If my math is right and going with something that is built no more than 20miles from me, in the Jaguar factory, the new XF in the UK £59,500 in the USA $62,975 the exchange rate is worse for USA than the other way in UK£ so theoreticall the XF in the USA should be $109,098, but working out what it costs in the USA to the current exchange rate we really if all being equal should be paying £31.715 for the same car, I find this more important than what browser is dominant!
     
  6. musksnipe

    musksnipe Guest

    Halo's on a roll. Get 'em, man! LOL
     
  7. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Its just the logic that mystifies me some days Muskie, ok great they fined MSFT 1.4b and if its not contested and dragged through the courts for another 4yrs ( making the lawyers rich ) then what would the EU spend this cash on? will it be used for the benefit of the people? or as usual spend on burocratic redtape and useless white papers which solve nothing.

    Think I'm finished with this topic now, said my peace and fed up with red tape and the burocratic nightmare as I have gone through 2 days of it this week.....
     
  8. ItsWendy

    ItsWendy MajorGeek

    I can't help wonder what would happen if MS just ignored them and pulled all their assets out. Would the EU no longer use Windows?

    It's a fantisy I know, but how do they really expect to enforce it?
     
  9. musksnipe

    musksnipe Guest

    If it's that simple, then they ought to stop sending MS products over there and let everyone deal with LInux or buy expensive Mac's.
    Once again, that seems like giving up trade secrets and I can't see a company being forced to give them up.

    If someone wants to use Windows, fine, but if someone wants to create an application for Windows and is not capable of figuring out how to make it work without having the MS code, then let them pay MS for the use of their code. Don't fine MS because others want to make money off of them.

    If I grow and sell Michigan Macintosh apples (the tastiest in the world) all over Europe and an apple grower there is jealous because he can't grow apples as tasty as mine, would the EU fine me because I refuse to send my methods and soil samples, so that apple grower can duplicate what I am doing?

    It amounts to the same thing.
     
  10. musksnipe

    musksnipe Guest

    Sorry, Steve...it still amounts to being forced to give up trade secrets.
    And a system is only as efficient, as the people who created and maintain it. Linux didn't make it efficient, the people of Helsinki did.
    Which would be good for us all, considering MS would strive to make their software better once they have actual competition. Which in turn would cause other OS's to be created or refined to try and beat MS's. That's called competition.
    But in this lazy "just give it to me because I want it" world, there are government bodies they see competition as a bad thing.
     
  11. musksnipe

    musksnipe Guest

    Out of all this, that is the only thing that makes any sense, if true. I didn't read that deeply into the article.
     

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