Experiment's on Humans without Consent

ASUS · Jul 7, 2006

Anyone heard of Polyheme, Poly SFH-P (Manufacture of NorthField Labs, I think)
It's a man made Experimental Blood approved by FDA for experiment on Trama patients, Without The Patients Knowledge
Just seen a story on 20/20 about it Scary
Seems in some major citys if your in accident or similar you might recieve some of this experimental product with your knowledge.
People are dying & or having Heart attacks where as this product is the Prime suspect
FDA started to do Interview with 20/20 that lasted about 30 seconds then they declined to comment.

http://www.defrance.org/artman/publish/printer_1531.shtml

The only way to Guarantee you wont get this Polyheme is to wear a special blue exclusion bracelet

http://www.slhn-lehighvalley.org/body.cfm?id=768

Here's List of some Hospital's participating or who had participated
California
UC San Diego Medical Center, San Diego, California, 92103, United States; No longer recruiting

Scripps Mercy, San Diego, California, 92103, United States; No longer recruiting

Colorado
Denver Health Medical Center, Denver, Colorado, 80204, United States; Recruiting
Jeffrey S Long, RRT 303-436-7906

Delaware
Christiana Hospital, Newark, Delaware, 19718, United States; Recruiting
Christine Babenko, RN 302-733-4549

Georgia
Medical Center of Central Georgia, Macon, Georgia, 31201, United States; Recruiting
Debra Kitchens, RN 478-633-1584

Illinois
Loyola University Medical Center, Maywood, Illinois, 60153, United States; Recruiting
Marcia Halerz, RN, BSN, MBA 708-327-2457

Indiana
Wishard Memorial Hospital, Indianapolis, Indiana, 46202, United States; Recruiting
Gretchen Huffman 317-287-3029

Methodist Hospital of Indiana, Indianapolis, Indiana, 46202, United States; Recruiting
Rick Lowry 317-962-6144

Kansas
University of Kansas Medical Center, Kansas City, Kansas, 66160, United States; Recruiting
Suzanne Porras, RN 913-588-0068

Kentucky
University of Kentucky Medical Center, Lexington, Kentucky, 40536, United States; Recruiting
Anna Rockich, PharmD 859-323-6346

Michigan
Detroit Receiving Hospital, Detroit, Michigan, 48201, United States; Recruiting
Kathy Owensby, MS 313-577-5314

Sinai Grace Hospital, Detroit, Michigan, 48201, United States; Recruiting
Kathy Owensby, MS 313-577-5314

Minnesota
The Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minnesota, 55905, United States; Recruiting
Kelly Sahs 507-272-2158

New York
Albany Medical Center, Albany, New York, 12208, United States; Suspended

North Carolina
Duke University Medical Center, Durham, North Carolina, 27710, United States; Recruiting
Paula Sprague, RN 919-681-2406

Ohio
MetroHealth Medical Center, Cleveland, Ohio, 44109, United States; Suspended

University of Cincinnati Medical Center, Cincinnati, Ohio, 45267-0769, United States; Recruiting
Kay Vonderschmidt, NREMT-P 513-558-5786

Miami Valley Hospital, Dayton, Ohio, 45409, United States; Recruiting
Susan Mallett, MS, APN 937-208-5069

Pennsylvania
Lehigh Valley Hospital, Allentown, Pennsylvania, 18103, United States; No longer recruiting

St. Luke's Regional Resource Trauma Center, Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, 18015, United States; Recruiting
Christy Stehly, BS 610-954-6076

Penn State Milton S. Hershey Medical Center, Hershey, Pennsylvania, 17033, United States; Recruiting
Theresa Novchich, RN, BSN, CCRC 717.531.4703

Tennessee
University of Tennessee-Memphis, Memphis, Tennessee, 38163, United States; Recruiting
Stephanie Panzer, RN 901-448-5714

Johnson City Medical Center, Johnson City, Tennessee, 37604, United States; Suspended

Texas
Memorial-Hermann Hospital, Houston, Texas, 77030, United States; No longer recruiting

University of Texas Health Science Center, San Antonio, Texas, 78284, United States; Recruiting
Janet McCarthy, RN 210-567-5724

Brooke Army Medical Center, Fort Sam, Houston, Texas, 78234-6315, United States; Recruiting
Nancy C Molter, RN, MN, PhD 210-916-5690

Utah
University of Utah Health Sciences Center, Salt Lake City, Utah, 84132, United States; Recruiting
Lisa Reynolds, RN, BSN 801-585-0385

LDS Hospital, Salt Lake City, Utah, 84143, United States; Recruiting
Jolene Fox, RN 801-408-2295

Virginia
Sentara Norfolk Hospital, Norfolk, Virginia, 23507, United States; No longer recruiting

Virginia Commonwealth University Medical Center, Richmond, Virginia, 23298-0454, United States; Recruiting
Judy Katzen, MS 804-827-0283

Inova Fairfax Hospital, Falls Church, Virginia, 22066, United States; Suspended

West Virginia
West Virginia University/Jon Michael Moore Trauma Center, Morgantown, West Virginia, 26506, United States; Recruiting
Bill Manley, RN, CEN 304-598-4659

More Information

Study ID Numbers: RTBSE-11-(N)
Last Updated: June 23, 2006
Record first received: January 28, 2004
ClinicalTrials.gov Identifier: NCT00076648
Health Authority: United States: Food and Drug Administration
ClinicalTrials.gov processed this record on 2006-07-07

TimW · Jul 7, 2006

Was just on abc tonight ...been going on for a good while ....supposed to stop in a month or so ....no one knew!!!

Lev · Jul 8, 2006

I'm relieved to not see Oregon on that list, having recently had major surgery myself. Really scary stuff......

Natakel · Jul 8, 2006

Creepy stuff. I am not opposed to using experimental medical treatments if I should find myself facing certain death . . . but I do demand informed consent.

I'm aghast.

DavidGP · Jul 8, 2006

Very scary stuff indeed, the UK has laws were the Doc's have to be upfront with experimental drugs and treatments so the patient is well aware of what they are getting into, also they have to sadly read some of the required literature in which some read like a small novel and if not read properly you could miss sections on adverse affects of said drug, but at least you are given the chance.. in this case scarely without patient consent, if a patient is brought into trauma unconsious then this subsitute IMO should not be administered but only used for consenting patients.

I also would have serious doubts at the validity of the data that will come from this trial as trauma depts are often way to busy to fully fill in the research documents needed in trials, which is why this seems to be an uncontrolled trial and pretty much confirmed by this statment,

In a statement, Northfield denies it " resisted publication " but says: " We did not allocate resources to publication. In retrospect, reporting the full study results earlier would have been better. "
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Kinda falls on the side of they didnt have full results in the first place to publish.

Dr. Gould says Northfield typically pays hospitals around $10,000 a patient to participate.
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Nice lure to use unconcious unsuspecting gunineepigs ( patients ) into a cash making trial?

G.T. · Jul 8, 2006

I smell some large lawsuits coming. While tramua centers often have to administer drugs/treatment without informed consent or approval, they are NOT allowed to use experimental un-approved drugs/treatments that way. Shame on them all, and on Northfield, which obviously was trying to do testing without the rigorous procedures needed for proper testing.

Jerkyking · Jul 8, 2006

I seen this story on the news yesterday too. They tested it in our area. I had to say I was shocked to hear about it being done without consent. This stuff may actually work & be fine and eventually be the future... however I am against any testing done on humans without their knowledge or consent (but still won't wear a bracelet).

Toni_1947 · Jul 8, 2006

I am not surprised, as all sorts of illegal testing has been going on for decades.
We, in the U.S., have not been and may never be safe from the "Mad Scientists"

http://wwwmcc.murdoch.edu.au/~mickbrod/postmodm/m/text/frisson.html
In Part:
This paper seeks to illuminate the historical convergence between what was in the public domain and what was classified or kept 'secret' regarding the many thousands of US citizens who were deliberately and systematically exposed to nuclear radiation as part of cold war research.

The Final Report of the Presidential Advisory Committee, delivered in October 1995, largely avoids issues of survivor notification and compensation. And while condemning the atrocities of the past, the Advisory Committee's recommendations for the future includes an inexplicable loophole. These recommendations would still permit experimental radiation tests to be conducted in secret for the purposes of 'national security'.

Intentional releases of radiation could be continued in secret at sites across the USA without informing local residents or other interested citizens. Under these conditions it may well be happening right now...
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...and how much do we NOT KNOW?
I've learned to live each day as though it were my last....because it might be.

DavidGP · Jul 8, 2006

Toni_1947 said:

..and how much do we NOT KNOW?
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Lots Toni, I have no doubt of that.... also alot depends on the actual doctor being upfront that a drug that maybe able to help your ills is actually experimental or not.

This is the stages the UK trials go through http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/medical_notes/4872918.stm , the one I'm involved with has 2yrs left in which we are collecting data to submit finally to NICE with recomemndations if its viable or not, in the mean time 2 new drugs have emerged past Phase I and entering now Phase II with recruitment of patients who meet the criteria for the drug under guidelines for the same disease we research.

star17 · Jul 8, 2006

Some folks have fake faces, fake boobs, fake organs....why not fake blood?

There are two professional field in which full disclosure & consent is a luxury: legal and medical.

Kodo · Jul 8, 2006

you doofs.. it's all safe.. it's made from the blood of Blonde people
//end sarcasm

Just Playin · Jul 8, 2006

This reminds me of the Prozac/suicide link story.

slider · Jul 9, 2006

G.T. said:

I smell some large lawsuits coming. While tramua centers often have to administer drugs/treatment without informed consent or approval, they are NOT allowed to use experimental un-approved drugs/treatments that way. Shame on them all, and on Northfield, which obviously was trying to do testing without the rigorous procedures needed for proper testing.
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I agree 100%. This is a totally unacceptable testing methodology, both ethically and medically speaking.

From the article :
While Northfield says PolyHeme could be useful in rural ambulances, battlefields and other settings where real blood is out of reach for hours, it hasn't conducted a large-scale test focusing solely on that notion. It says assembling patients for such a trial would be too difficult and time-consuming. " We all recognize that doing the [trauma] trial in an urban setting was not ideal, but this was the only way to get the trial done, " says a Northfield spokeswoman.

Drug / Medical device testing is ALWAYS difficult and time consuming. If it is not, you are doing it wrong. I cannot believe that the company would release such a statement, and not recognize its implications - " it's to much trouble to do it correctly". And the payment of $10,000 per patient is much in excess of the money needed to document the results. They were simply trying to buy the physicians good will.

Outrageous. The company should be disbanded, and the decision makers at the company barred from any kind of medical practice, treatment, manufacturing. And the FDA decision makers who allowed this to go forward should be removed from the FDA.

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