Foreign Governments In Us Elections

Are you trolling me? The article is about the WTO which is a legal way to challenge Trump's tariffs.
So we have common ground, how about this as a definition on how to define trade imbalance? Not the opinions other than how to calculate trade, note the Starbucks vs Boeing analogy closely.
https://www.cfr.org/blog/right-and-wrong-ways-adjust-us-china-trade-balance

 

Once again you post no solution, good articles though.

 

What trump says... and what Trump does... is not always the same.
There are countless reports saying he wants out.. he doesn't want out.
Take your pick.

Trump wants out of the WTO.

https://nypost.com/2018/06/29/trump-reportedly-wants-out-of-world-trade-organization/

Trump doesn't want out of the WTO.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/29/donald-trump-no-withdraw-world-trade-organization-688742

Here's an interesting read.

Really?
http://www.spiegel.de/international...n-trouble-amid-trump-trade-war-a-1215802.html

 

He should, you are doing very well at evading a personal stance.
I think we should stay in the WTO and re-negotiate payment and watchdog status. China needs to play by the same rules as other nations.

 

Do you seriously not understand what he said?

 

WTF

Hey Tim, I thought DOA was fairly smart........ but apparently not......
Methinks DOA is just trolling

 

Read the whole thread Joffa, how many solutions have been posted as a personal opinion to solve a problem?
Yes, I am somewhat trolling, trying to get people to actually THINK and come up with solutions, not just post problems. I understand all the posting about being against problems, but if there is no posted solution what's the point?

 

You got your answers. You just keep moving the goalposts.

 

Some easy to see:
post #52, no proposed solution, well researched, but no personal well thought out solution. Good questions, why were there no answers in the post?
Post #55 again, good points, but where does the person making the post state his stance and what he thinks should be done?
Post #56 just a link which is good comment but no solution or even a personal stance.
At least I say things rather than just post links and whine. See posts 21 and 22, 22 should have been a direct reply, instead he does a sidestep. If you consider post 22 an answer I find that strange as it neither confirms no denys the poster's own views.
The goalposts have not moved, some are running away from them. I am after well thought out personal beliefs and solutions with links supporting them. What I keep seeing is a lack of personal commitment and thought hidden behind links to others' ideas.
Post# 26 I thought was clear "
Time for me to stop. I see no direct response to my questions, just "strawman logic".
In case you missed it, my question is "Do you support illegal actions to promote change?" I was expecting posts like my own "When all legal means are exhausted". Or perhaps people are still considering where they stand on this issue."

 

Who are you referring to?
I merely made a reference to the countless online news reports.
Half a dozen says he wants out, and the other six say he want's to change the 'rules'.

 

We did answer you but you disregarded our answers when we disagreed with you. This is pointless.

 

Finally an opinion, I assume Tim means himself by "any but the brain dead". But I don't think the WTO can do that nor will they consider why the tariffs are implemented
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Just Playin, you totally miss my point. I actually like that you disagree. But I do ask that you have a solution (what do YOU plan to do, no one else, YOU) and own it rather than hiding behind name calling and other's opinions.

 

That's not what you asked. You didn't like the answer so you moved the goalposts.

 

Civil disobedience and dissent are only illegal behavior when laws are unjust.

“Civil disobedience, as I put it to the audience, was not the problem, despite the warnings of some that it threatened social stability, that it led to anarchy. The greatest danger, I argued, was civil obedience, the submission of individual conscience to governmental authority. Such obedience led to the horrors we saw in totalitarian states, and in liberal states it led to the public's acceptance of war whenever the so-called democratic government decided on it...

In such a world, the rule of law maintains things as they are. Therefore, to begin the process of change, to stop a war, to establish justice, it may be necessary to break the law, to commit acts of civil disobedience, as Southern blacks did, as antiwar protesters did.”
~ Howard Zinn, You Can't Be Neutral on a Moving Train: A Personal History of Our Times

 

Mekanic, sounds like you are in line with Martin Luther King. Civil disobedience is a viable action as long as no harm comes from it? Please clarify if this not your stance.
quote from his Wikipedia page:
"King is best known for advancing civil rights through nonviolence and civil disobedience, tactics his Christian beliefs and the nonviolent activism of Mahatma Gandhi helped inspire."

 

Read the first three posts and see if you can figure out who changed the subject. I don't mind, but the original topic got changed pretty quickly.
But my intent is still the same, just failing. To get what guidelines people here use to vote/act/post on a subject. A stance on moral and political issues takes time and is difficult to put into words. Many people don't have their own and are drawn in by news and history as it is presented to them which can be false. As stated above I am against civil disobedience until legal channels are exhausted, that point being determined on a case by case basis.

 

More in line with Gandhi.

"Civil disobedience is not only the natural right of a people, especially when they have no effective voice in their own Government, but that it is also a substitute for violence or armed rebellion."

~ Mahatma Gandhi

 

With regards to the WTO...

http://www.spiegel.de/international...n-trouble-amid-trump-trade-war-a-1215802.html
Tim, don't you think this is unfair?

China is the world's second most powerful economy.
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/022415/worlds-top-10-economies.asp

 

In other news...
Trump is now accusing Germany of being a “captive” of Russia.
http://ewn.co.za/2018/07/11/trump-accuses-germany-of-being-captive-of-russia

 

Why would a Russian oligarch buy an interest in a company which develops voting machine software?

It appears that Trump may be simply a culpable idiot. By electing a man like Trump to the White House, America has found comic relief.

 

Or perhaps Trump was elected because of what Hillary did. Slightly lesser of two evils?
But like you, I can laugh at the situation while I work to make it better.

 

My apology. Completely forgot about this.

 

Hillary didn't do things much differently than Colin Powell when he was Secretary of State regarding e-mail. It's funny how it was claimed routine maintenance and secure deletion was "hiding something". If you want to permanently delete something, one would tend to use something far better than BleachBit.

The "right wing" in this country with the aid of an adversarial government managed to prevent Clinton from being elected. Ironically, they used to call Obama the "Manchurian Candidate", lol...