Gun Sight Question DavidGP?

I have a question perhaps DavidGP can answer when he has time. Long story short, the inserts in my gun's sights fell out. This is a known issue with my gun, I could send it back, but, me being me, I don't want to send my gun off for a month or two.

The sights were 3 dot, 2 in back, one in front, that were white, with just a slight green tint. (they glowed in the dark.)

I painted the front sight white. Question to you sir, is there a color scheme that will make the eye focus fast on the front sight, then, aim with the rear sights? I am talking about flash sight shooting, very fast. Currently I have white on the front, and yellow on the back. Seems to work great in practice.

The white front and yellow rear 'seem' to work better than all white dots. Any suggestions? Is there any advantage to multicolor 3 dot aiming applications. That you know of, I am sure it is not a big topic of discussion... :-D

Thanks in advance for your time.

 

ummm, yea, get a laser for it :-D:guns



Oops, i'm not David

 

Don't want a laser. Had one a while back. Fun watching dogs chase the light around. :-D

 

I was just wondering if any particular color scheme would be best. I want to acquire the front sight, then the rear. I remembered he was in eyeball research. One of the neat things about forums, you meet all kinds of folks you might not otherwise meet.

 

Most I have seen are 3 white dots. They do make green, yellow, orange and I saw blue night sights. Those are the glow in the dark kind. I am just using paint, so am not limited color wise. Hmm, maybe a pastel... :-D

 

If you think about it seriously for moment, if there really was a better option/choice for the colors used, don't you think the military would have already thought of, or implemented it?? Just saying.....

 

Possibly. But don't they often use items made and designed by the lowest bidder? :-D

Plus, not having served in the military, I am not familiar with the types of pistol sights they use. :cool I am also not familiar with the type of pistol sight picture they teach. A quick Google shows me the standard issue Baretta M9 has plain iron sights. Of the people I shoot with, some use the 3 dot, some just a dot on the front sight, some just plain iron sights. One progressed from 3 dot to 1 dot, to plain iron. And of course there are variations, some use different things besides just dots.

As with most things, there are many theories about what is 'best'. A general consensus is to use what works best for you. So, some serious thinking might make someone seek out information, and try new things. In a year, I may have just plain iron sights, or may stay with the 3 dot system. Actually, when I was buying the yellow paint, it popped into my head that perhaps DavidGP would have some insight, due to the nature of his job.

Just saying...

 

http://www.colorsontheweb.com/colorcontrasts.asp

Could try some high contrast colours such as yellow and blue or pink and green.

I doubt there's any colour scheme that increases the focal speed of your eye.:confused

 

Thanks Rikky. I am not trying to speed up the focus sight if my eyes. I am curious if there is a color combination that would aid in attracting the focus to the front sight, more than the rear sight. Ideally, focus on the front sight, and then do a little aiming with the back sights and shoot.

Am using this for a flash sight picture, not traditional sight picture. Developed back in the 50's and onward by Colonel Cooper. The yellow on the rear sight and the white on the front one seem to be working well, but I have not shot with it yet, just dry presses.

If you like reading, here is a quote from a Wikki. I disagree with a little bit of it, but it explains the flash sight pretty well.

"Flash Sight Picture

The Flash Sight Picture is a method of allowing the cognitive faculties of the shooter to align the target and the sights without the delay involved in the conscious alignment of sights, as used when slow-firing a rifle at a distant target. In point shooting, by contrast, the pistol is drawn from the holster and fired from the hip, without the sights being aligned at all.

In slow-fire rifle shooting, the front sight and rear sight of the rifle are aligned with the distant target with great care, taking at least several seconds.

The Flash Sight Picture technique falls between these two methods. During a gunfight, waiting to align the sights is too slow. However, more accuracy than point shooting is required to hit one's assailant reliably. It is physically impossible for the human eye to focus simultaneously on the rearsight (nearest to one's eye), the frontsight (further away from one's eye), and the relatively distant target at the same time. The muscles of the eye adjust to focus sight on one specific distance optimally at any one instant, so 3 different distances mean the shooter's focus must hunt (muscular physical adjustments) between all three points of mental concentration. The greatest adjustment of focus (relatively more ocular muscle contraction) is required to view shorter distances, such as the gun's rearsight. In the Modern Technique the shooter is taught to focus on the front sight of the pistol and align it against the target, ignoring the rearsight for quicker aiming and minimal physical requirements. This prevents the focus of the eye from hunting between rear sight, front sight and target, wasting vital time in refocusing.

The technique is called 'flash' sight picture because the cognition is best able to perform this function when the target and frontsight are presented quickly as a single image, in a 'flash', as if the shooter had just turned around to face a threat appearing from close by. The shooter's vision can "see" the rear sight, even if the focus is on the front sight. This is enough for the cognition to make an alignment. With the flash sight picture, the front sight and a rapidly presented image of the target are used to align the pistol. This is faster than slow-fire rifle, and offers more chance of hitting the target than point shooting from the hip.

The cognitive functions of the brain align objects in the hand with distant objects at great speed. This ability of human cognition can be used to align the pistol with the target. Colonel Cooper discovered this specific ability and named it the "Flash Sight Picture".

Human cognition can perceive a "Flash Sight Picture" at a speed faster than conscious awareness. This facility was discovered during World War II experiments with rapid recognition of aircraft silhouettes. Experimentation was continued after the war and branched into subliminal advertising in the 1960s, where images were flashed onto cinema screens for a duration too short for the viewer to notice, yet for cognition to have observed the image nonetheless.[citation needed]

Use of the Flash Sight Picture requires a rapid acquisition of the frontsight in order to allow the brain to perform its calculations. This focus on the frontsight is one of the main themes Colonel Cooper impressed upon students of the Modern Technique to clear their minds when shooting during a confrontation. The emphasis for students of the Modern Technique on the word "frontsight" was so great, that a shooting school and a shooting magazine were named after this phrase."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Technique_of_the_Pistol

 

I've seen a few weapons use orange blade, with a white outline on the rear sight.

 

Interesting Triaxx2. Unless the orange was really bright, I would think the white would overpower it. Certainly an option to consider.

I got plenty of toothpicks to repaint the sights... I am really liking the yellow rear sights and the white up front. I may go shoot it in the AM, to test my theory. The white front sight is very visible.

I asked this here to try to pick the minds of scientific types. On gun forums, it will be green vs. red, Chevy vs. Ford, Intel vs. AMD... This is my little quest to find the best color sight combo for me.

:major

 

Interesting read,few more brainstorms-

THE highest colour contrast would be black and white,if you had the rear sight black or bare and the foresight white I think that could give good results,eye's will focus on the most brightly lit part of the sight first and will draw your attention requiring concentration not to focus on it for accurate aiming.

Another thing to consider maybe is an illuminated front sight,the light/bulb would have to be tiny or built into the front sight,I googled and only found those tritium sights which are just glow in the dark basically.

If the technology doesn't exist there's always old skool-

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-47bPt88oMiQ/TwuWneQjISI/AAAAAAAAA3A/7ZaeheJARns/s1600/HP+Candle+4.jpg

 

Bit tough to keep the elevation on that gun! Plus probably not too good for the holster... :-D

I tried it with the back sight black and the front sight white. Great contrast, but I like the rear to have some color for aiming. Thus my quest for the perfect color combination. :cool

 

I may be way off here, but do you have any objections to a Red Dot sight? Not the non magnified scope, but the lens.
This way it doesn't obscure your peripheral view.

http://www.cabelas.ca/index.cfm?pageID=71&&section=1195&section2=1374&ID=42410

These things are great, I got one on my air soft rifle, fast and clear target acquisition.

Although generally require some form of rail, mine and most I've seen are RIS mounts, although the one I have and the ones Cabellas have will fit several different sized rails.

Just a thought.

 

Those look great for a rifle, and some use them on shotguns Ned. Would not work well with my handgun. It would also require a new holster, and is one more thing that could fail. Would love to have one on my AR though!!

The gun I am talking about is this: http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...57751_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

 

Ohhh I must have miss read that you were talking about a pistol, sorry I assumed you were talking about a rifle :-D

Carry on then.

 

NP. :-d

 

Did DavidGP ever chime in?!?

 

Not so far.

I looked up Orange Blade, and found this: http://www.opticsplanet.com/millett-front-sights-rear-blades.html

 

Yes, there is a lot of options. Yellow, green white, blue, orange and probably some other colors. Squares, lines, dots, triangles...

 

Anyone else see the irony of using Dave's knowledge of curing people in the medical research field to help Fred kill stuff:-D

I know Fred just targets

 

Thanks for the info. I am liking the yellow and white, but paint is cheap. I may change them.


Rikky, you should see the gun collections of some of the doctors around here. :-D

 

One way to drum up business:-D Like weatherman with a leaf blower.

 

"Maybe a question I need to ask in work in that what two colours will allows a good narrowing of focal sight, aka good shot.
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I would be very interested in the info. Keep in mind, front sight only, eyes are on the front sight, second thing is the back sights. Flash sight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Technique_of_the_Pistol

I have linked to this before, just making it more easy for you to reply, as you choose to.