How do I create a bootable rescue Disk?

Discussion in 'Software' started by oma, May 20, 2008.

  1. oma

    oma MajorGeek

    I purchased a Seagate Pro External Drive and have the free Acronis V8 version. I don't have a DVD burner - just a CD burner.

    I plan to clone/image my C drive, but understand that I will need a bootable rescue disk if my C drive fails? I would like to be able to save all the other software and settings I have installed after the factory installed programs.

    Do I need a (additional) software program for it and which one? Is there any free software for creating a bootable rescue disk?

    I'm still a newbie and therefore need something easy to work with. Thank you.

    BTW: Windows XP Home edition - free Zonealarm - AVG 8 - Skype - Firefox - anti-spyware etc.
     
  2. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi

    A CD Burner is fine for the Rescue Disk as I have my Acronis Rescue Disk on CDRW, yes if you have a major problem with your Windows OS or hardware failure, it will allow you to recover your OS ( Operating System ) and all your settings and installed software so like you never had an problems.

    No Acronis and its True Image allows you to create the Rescue CD from its menus and this CD is bootable, all you would need to do is to enter your BIOS ( at boot time you should see the key press needed to enter your BIOS, flashes up quickly so keep sharpe eye out for it ) and make sure the 1st boot device is the CDROM.

    I would get hold of a CDR or CDRW blank CD, then start Acronis and click as highlighted in the below image "create bootable rescue media" and follow the prompts.

    http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/9541/ati8oi9.jpg


    this process is all automatic, just read whats in the prompts and at the end you will have a bootable Acronis Rescue CD, and this once booted to is a light disk run version of Acronis True Image which will allow you to recover your saved Image file.
     
  3. oma

    oma MajorGeek

    Thank you for your quick reply Halo!

    So, in actuality there are 2 steps to take?
    1) create a separate CD rescue disk on Acronis True Image, Version 8. Is a CD
    disk spacious enough to capture the info?
    2) create a clone/image to be assigned to my external Hard Drive, also by the
    same software?

    The above to be sure that I'm fully protected from any failure of my C drive?

    Have to read up about the BIOS thing - don't understand anything about it. :(
     
  4. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi oma

    1. Yes the rescue cd allows you to boot to Acronis's applciation in case your OS is not bootable. Yes its fine for a normal 700mb CD, was going to say its around 50MB in size as a guess as I have habbit of not labeling CDs but found the Acronis Rescue/boot CD and its total size is 70MB.

    2. Yes Acronis allows you as its main function to create a clone of your hard drives, so that in an event of your Windows not booting or becoming very malware infestated you could recover to a last good known image file, so when recovered the image writes its saved data to HD and is once finished just like you never had any issues , with all software and settings intact.


    Here is manual ( posted this in a thread of yours co-incidently a month ago ) http://us1.download.acronis.com/pdf/trueimage8.0_ug.en.pdf has all the steps you need plus exactly what Acronis TI does for you.


    I use this software alot, would always recomend it as a backup solution and Mada's guide to creating a image file in that thread of Kestrels is great to follow. I would add one bit I do in that I always have three rolling images of my OS C drive on the go in case one becomes corrupt

    so would go like this
    F:\Vista backup images\May08a.tib
    F:\Vista backup images\May08b.tib
    F:\Vista backup images\May08c.tib

    then next would be
    F:\Vista backup images\May08d.tib and I would delete F:\Vista backup images\May08a.tib as being too old.


    Also create FULL backups not incrementals.
    Make sure your external drive is NTFS format, if its FAT32 then the max file size of FAT32 in 4gb for each individual size will have your Image file split into many parts, whereas with NTFS they will be in one file only.
     
  5. oma

    oma MajorGeek

    Thank you once again Halo!! Now I understand it clearly. You've been of GREAT help to me and therefore really appreciate it!

    When my Seagate External HD arrives, I will image the C Drive immediately.

    BTW: I already created a bootable CD disk and it was really easy!! :)
     
  6. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi oma

    My pleasure, if you hit any snags just post a thread and as quite a few of us use Acronis TI we should be able to guide you throught it, but have a read of the manual before your external arrives as the steps are fairly straighforward.

    GREAT STUFF on bootable CD for Acronis.

    [tip] Also just check and write down on the CDs case label what the key press/s are to allow you to enter your BIOS to change the boot order in case its not set to 1st boot device CDROM.
     
  7. oma

    oma MajorGeek

    I just created an image, using Acronis TI 8, from the C drive to the F Drive (Seagate) and now I'm a little confused.

    It took me a few tries to finally "get" it. ;)

    On my auslogics software it says that I currently use 5.58 GB, however the F Drive shows only 3.28GB.

    Does this means that it did not create a full image of the C Drive? Or does it skip certain files on my Windows XP Home?

    Thank you.
     
  8. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi oma

    No, on both counts, what Acronis does is to image the whole used space, but it also compresses it to save a little more space, but you do have a complete clone.

    You can adjust the compression ( none, normal, high and maximum ) but to be honest leave it as default which is normal.

    My 42.5GB used C drive space compresses in an image file to 27GB
     
  9. Appzalien

    Appzalien Staff Sergeant

    OMA, I have been using Acronis for a long time but I recently ran accross a post where the guy mentioned cleaning up the C drive before imaging to keep the image file as small as it can be. So now I go thru a little process prior to making my backup.
    1. Run CCleaner to remove excess temp files
    2. Uninstall any programs I don't use or need from the add/remove programs
    3. Run a registry cleaner to remove unneeded registry entries
    4. Stop and restart System Restore if I'm sure the OS is running great (and at this time you can also turn off restore for your other drives, I only use it for C anyway). This can really make some room check C's properties before and after to see the difference.
    5. Defragment C
    6. Run "nullfile-1.02.exe" from the root (directly under the C drive, not in any folder) of C. This is probably the most important part especially if your OS is a few months old. What it does is writes 0's to all the free space on the drive, making it really easy for your backup program to compress the free space. When you uninstall stuff and delete to the recycle bin those things are recoverable because they're not really gone and when you make a backup of the drive that hidden stuff gets backed up too. Running nullfile clears the free space on your drive to give you the smallest possible image you can get. If you have a large drive it can take an entire day to run, it creates a dummy file under the C drive and keeps filling it until all the free space is zeroed, then deletes the dummy file.


    I once ran without doing all this and got a 6gig image, found the post about cleaning up and re-did it and got a 3gig afterwords. This also allows me to get a complete image of a new install on one dvd (6gig to about 4 gig after compression).
     
  10. oma

    oma MajorGeek

    Thank you once again Halo!! You're precious!!

    Yes, I left the compression at the default. (normal)
     
  11. oma

    oma MajorGeek

    Thanks Appzalien! I "cleaned" my C Disk (your first 5 points) and additionally scanned with Ad-aware, Spybot Search and Destroy and AVG as well, prior to making an image. Thought it would be the right thing to do. ;)

    #6 I didn't do because I didn't and don't know HOW to access run "nullfile-1.02.exe".:confused
     
  12. Appzalien

    Appzalien Staff Sergeant

    "Nullfile-1.02.exe" is what to google to find it, then you just put it under your C drive. That is directly under C, not in a folder under C but directly under C where the Boot.ini and Config.sys files are. Thats the root of the drive. The root of any drive means that the files there are not in any folder but exposed directly under the drive letter.

    As a matter of fact you can put nullfile in the root of D or E and it will do the same thing. It opens a command window when you double click it and then when you start it it will write zero's to the free space on the drive.

    If you have already made your image this is a good time to see what a difference it can make by compairison. If your drive has a lot of stuff in the free space it will make a big difference.

    Its a pretty straight forward program aand needs no installation, and it will not harm your PC. If you were to put it in the wrong place it would just overwrite the free space of where ever you put it.
     
  13. oma

    oma MajorGeek

    Thank you for your reply Appzalien!

    If I understand you correctly, I would have to google for a software to download and then proceed as per your instructions?
     
  14. Appzalien

    Appzalien Staff Sergeant

    Here is a direct link for you to download:
    Code:
    http://theatomicmoose.ca/g4u/nullfile-1.02.exe
    I got the link from this page, if you read Section "5.10 Reducing the image size" you will get an idea of what it does:
    Code:
    http://theatomicmoose.ca/g4u/
    The page is for linux but the link I gave you is Windows (under the Pascal Solution), there is also a 64bit one if you think you might need it in the future.

    This is the same one I use, I actually read thru most of that page when I had googled it last, to get to the download, but you don't have to do that if you don't want to since it deals with linux its like Greek to me.
     
  15. oma

    oma MajorGeek

    Once again many thanks Appzalien. I will read about it first and then download the software!
     
  16. Appzalien

    Appzalien Staff Sergeant

    Remember, It takes along time so start it in the evening and let it go overnight. I can't remember the exact time but the 250gig drive I ran it on (200gig was free space) took about 10 hours I think, But the image size savings was really good since the free space was full of junk.
     
  17. oma

    oma MajorGeek

    Thanks Appzalien. I have some questions about this software. I'm using the free Acronis TI version 8 and it created an image of the C drive. Is the "null" software an image creator as well? Or does it just create zero's in the empty space? Do both softwares conflict with each other?

    Thanks
     
  18. Appzalien

    Appzalien Staff Sergeant

    Nullfile is not really much of a software its more like a batch file and therefore closer to a spyremover than acronis. You run it from the root of any drive you want to clear the free space on, to write zero's in all the free data area. This large data area of nothing but zero's then, is then very easy for an image program to compress because its all the same. The free space of a well used drive is usually full of stuff, deleted files, uninstalled programs, you know, stuff. All that stuff will be imaged by acronis which means that if you brought that image back the stuff would come with it and be recoverable just as it is now with recovery software. The problem is it takes up alot of room and if your system is fine without it you might as well overwrite it and make your image that much smaller.

    I think the 10hour time I gave you was way off, but its been awhile since I ran it, lets say more like 4 hours for 200gig, I think thats closer to reality.
     
  19. oma

    oma MajorGeek

    Thanks Appzalien for your explanation. Is it safe to download from that website - it's a bit too funky there!
     
  20. Appzalien

    Appzalien Staff Sergeant

    Yes, I have that file myself and have used it many times on several different drives and systems. If you want, you could google and find another source, but I can vouche only for that link. The funkiness probably comes from it being a site for Linux users, all the vernacular is in linuxese.
     
  21. oma

    oma MajorGeek

    Appzalien, thank you very much for your recommendation!
     

MajorGeeks.Com Menu

Downloads All In One Tweaks \ Android \ Anti-Malware \ Anti-Virus \ Appearance \ Backup \ Browsers \ CD\DVD\Blu-Ray \ Covert Ops \ Drive Utilities \ Drivers \ Graphics \ Internet Tools \ Multimedia \ Networking \ Office Tools \ PC Games \ System Tools \ Mac/Apple/Ipad Downloads

Other News: Top Downloads \ News (Tech) \ Off Base (Other Websites News) \ Way Off Base (Offbeat Stories and Pics)

Social: Facebook \ YouTube \ Twitter \ Tumblr \ Pintrest \ RSS Feeds