Illegal Alien

I'm getting tired of Illegal alien's bashing America & Americans.

I'm tired of Protest from Illegals, many whom cant even speak English.

Have you been to the Hospital/Emergency room lately, ya might be in for a long wait as there probably is an uninsured free loading Illegal Alien ahead of you.

I'm tired of paying the way for others!

I found this Interesting:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49557


I'm starting to wounder about the safety of my family/friends & fellow American's.

I think it's time to Lock & Load Just In Case!

If your one of these Illegals protesting in my neighborhood ya better be careful not to break any laws cause ya might find your self surrounded by a bunch of pissed off Americans
Remember your all free to go back to your country!

Have A Nice Day

 

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You talkin' to me?
You must be...
I doan' see nobody else.

 

If you don't like aliens ASUS, then change your avatar.

 

It's no fun being an illegal alien.

 

one day - in the not so far off distant future - there will be one world. meanwhile asus, stop talking about your fellow man with so much contempt. i do hope you rise every morning with thanks trembling accross your lips..- but i doubt it.

 

i find your post grossly offensive BTW

 

Nothing wrong with immigrants I believe. But.......the term illegal has a meaning. I have a lot of Hispanic friends around here and even they think that illegal means illegal. If I cheated on my imcome tax return so I would have more money to feed my family would the gov't understand and say that's alright. I think not. I'm not sure what I would do about the current illegal immigrangts but I would stem the flow and then address it. Yes I know we are a country of immigrants but a hundred yrs ago or even more we had room now we don't and must be selective about how many is too much. However, I feel our biggest problem is outsourcing jobs rather than immigrants. Second however, as long as it is illegal to come in the US without proper processing we must abide by the law or suffer consequences. That is my take. I don't hate the illegal immigrants or even dislike them and I take exception to calling them aliens. Just abide by the laws or face the music.

Jack

 

you have to understand the hoops one has to jump through to be legal. it is not mearly a question of having a job. or having family. the US immigration and green card proceedures are a nightmare beyond reason. what you would end up with is NO immigrant labour. in addition, how dare anyone, sitting in the richest nation on the planet and 'the land of the free', complain about others struggle for minimum wage, menial labor, and tenement housing. if these are the things that immigrants are fighting for, what must they be leaving? to walk away from family, familiarity, and recognition to a place of predudice, and oppression takes a tremendous amount of corage. i think you have all forgotten the sacrifices that were made so that you can sit in judgement of the rest of the world.

 

It's a problem, but not our countries biggest, by far, and it certainly isn't new.

I see this as a "diversion of the week", as Bush's approval ratings hit a new low.


Hey, aren't we due for "Amber Alert" threat level warning soon?



-evil

 

if asus first post wasnt an incite to hatred and violence than please explain what is.

 

nevermind

 

Not trying to defend anyone or take sides here, but I'm assuming Asus' "lock and load" comment referred to protecting himself against violent protestors.

I don't think he actually meant he was going to go out and shoot random illegal aliens.


-evil

 

What about the International airports that have 2 options. One for the locals, and 1 for "Aliens", when going through Customs. I find that offensive. Bazza

 

That's easy for you to say, and you have a vested interest.

Where I live, I feel like I'm in another country.

It's been overrun with people (I won't say the country of origin) who don't speak English, own shops with foreign writing on them that I can't understand, walk on the wrong side of the footpath, etc etc.

Is it too much to ask for people who live here to speak the language and adopt the culture?

And you seem to forget that the people ASUS referred to are breaking the law, or is it OK for them to do it?

 

Not my Intent!
My Intent was merely to incite Discussion & bring about awareness (maybe my choice of words wasnt the best)

I'm not suggesting anyone resort to violence, but if need be, I can & will Defend my Life, my Family, my friends, my Property & my Country.

This immagration thing is huge problem, it should have been addressed long ago.

I think its time to make some drastic changes.
I think the first things that should be considered are Deportation & Closing borders.
Im not suggesting we deport all Hispanics or any other group Illegal or not, but if your not Legal & you break Any Laws or dont Pay Taxes & ya cant speak any english Then I say "GOOD BYE"

 

That's never going to happen unfortunately.

Politicians only care about the next election, and the less people they upset, the better for them.

 

america would grind to a halt without the immigrant workers. as previously stated, there is no way to apply for entry into the us for the type of jobs they are employed for. if you are 'illigal' and you get so much as a traffic ticket, then you are immediately deported. BECAUSE you are illigal you cannot pay taxes. surely the more realistic approach would be to RELAX immigration critiria? that way workers could pay taxes, get insurance, employers could use labor of their choice, and people would not be living in fear and trepidation. i dont care what accent a person talks with (although admittedly i used to get 'fed up' with those that didnt speak the lingo at all) we are still talking about human beings with the same hopes and fears, the same souls, the same pressures (or far worse), and the same will to risk all for the betterment of those thay love. all the time we split the world into 'us' and 'them' we promote racial hatred. to speak of ordinary hardworking people as 'crawling out of the woodwork' (previous thread),or 'uninsured freeloaders', is to negate the very real problems these people have and do experience. i was actually born in El Paso. ten miles or less is the difference between my legality and 'theirs'. in addition the archaic and iniffeciant immigration laws affect many more people than those crossing the tex/mex border. the US has little 'pet' projects that mean you can circumvent the immigration laws if you are 'micronesian' (sp?) or - laughably - canadian. but not english, australian, or any other country that DOES speak english, and DOES have the same religious and cultural background.

 

The company I work for hires about 40 workers from Mexico to help in the seed fields and with harvest, all are legal and all pay taxes, and I have never been told by them that it is a big hassle to get into the country to legally work.
Most come back year after year and we have a great working relationship with them.
What needs to be stopped is the employers who hire the people who enter illegally and pay them cash to work instead of withholding taxes, etc...
Most are are hardworking people that just want to make a living just like the rest of us and most of these jobs most " Americans " dont or wont do.
Most of them send money home to support Mom, Dad, Grandma, etc....
How many people you know help support there elders?????
Oh well.........

 

Thank God Australia doesn't have to share borders with anyone.

We still have immigration problems, but it would be a lot worse if we had less affluent neighbours right next door.


I hate anyone that moves to a country and settles in their own ethnic enclaves rather than living in the wider community.

That's what causes turmoil in other countries, so leave your crap at home.

I'd love to see someone get Japanese or Chinese citizenship if they couldn't speak the lingo.

 

my experiences beg to differ. i dont know how your company employs these workers, but it is very possible that they are in fact illigal, but have false papers that enable them to pass through as laborers. it is my understanding that only jobs that cannot be filled within the local population qualify for green cards. As we hope to eventually sort this mess out ourselves, we decided not to go that route. if caught with illigal papers, hubby would then never be able to resolve this in the proper manner. admittedly, i am dealing with honolulu immigration...and they dont even want americans here, let alone other nationalities!! it is therefore possible that not all immigration offices are so difficult to work with. (i eventually recieved a great deal of help with my childs naturalization from the texan authorities). i do apreciate the recognition that the workers you employ are decent, family orientated and hard working as i am ranting more about the attitude than the arguments for or against. much aloha to all.

 

Would just like to add my percocet-loaded viewpoint here lol. It may or may not be relevant depending on how clear/unclear my thinking is right now...

I came to this country as a legal alien. The term "alien" has been used for decades and personally, I do not find it offensive. It is simply some words to determine who is a full citizen of a country and who is not. Other countries use the term too - it is not just the US. I am now a Permanent Resident.

Sometimes 'cold" language has to be used to help identify the status of an individual. I guess if you have been through an immigration procedure you understand the depth to which they investigate, and the reasons why they use language that seems harsh, but really has no intention of being so. Offense is a choice (in many cases) and to me an accurate definition of status in language used for a long time is only seen as offensive in today's overly PC climate.

</percocet rant>

 

i agree with you, lev. and it is the depth at which they go that makes legality so difficult.

in addition, to be realistic, (although not percocet laden, i can hardly discribe my life as realitic. lol) america does not run on the 'legal' system of things. it runs on money. it makes no difference whether you are picking a president or a gardener....its all money. with money immigration is no problem.....so heres the rub, the terrorists have lots of it. if there was NO IMMIGRATION AT ALL this contry would not be any less safe, or any less rich. IMHO

PS. how the h*lll are you?

 

Your posts are hypocritical to the max. Did YOUR ancestors learn to speak the language, adopt the customs, or embrace the culture of the people who were there before them? If you think it's such an important factor, why don't you do it?

Your comment about 'own ethnic enclaves' basically describes your entire country.

And it's not the immigrants that cause turmoil, it's the ignorant masses who oppress and intimidate them, forcing them to remain in their own communities.

And maybe America is the dominant nation in the world expressly because we take people in, while China and Japan exclude a whole hell of a lot of smart people who could make their country a better place. Natch.

 

No one said you have to adopt the customs of the original inhabitants.

That's just silly and isn't worthy of further comment.

That comment is even sillier than the first.

You have proof of this do you, I'd love to hear it?

No one told them to live in the one suburb, and speak and write in a foreign language.

There are suburbs here where if you are blindfolded and dropped off, you wouldn't know you are in Australia.


Australia is an Anglo Christian country with a strong British heritage, and that's just the way I like it.

Anyone who doesn't can go elsewhere instead of trying to change it.

 

So it's basically do as I say, not as I do?

Just because it's silly, doesn't make it not true.

You've never heard of people beating up on immigrants? I thought it was getting to be kind of an epidemic in Britain, and that's basically what the furor is about, people wanting to do mass deportations, border patrols, etc.

Defend against what/who? People who simply want the same opportunity as you to give their family a better life? Who are you to deny them that?

Who gave you the power to decide who stays and who goes? Yourself. They are simply doing the same for themselves.

So what makes you more important than others? Because you were there first? Isn't that exactly the same reasoning you labeled so silly it wasn't even worth responding to?

 

No, it's do as the entire country does.

That benefits not only the country, but the individual/s migrating.

What you're advocating is, "screw you and your country, I'll do whatever I like".

So asking people to to learn the language and blend in to their adopted country is now beating them up?

It's got nothing to do with who was the first.

You move to a country, you adopt it's language and culture, and don't break laws.



Would you like it if I came to your house, rearranged your furniture to my liking, smashed a few things I didn't like, and spoke an alien dialect until you felt intimidated and out of place?

 

I think the topic of this discussion has blurred somewhat.

Almost all countries western countries have experience with hiring cheaper foreign labour. THis does not make the labourers illegal immigrants.
Germany has a well documented past with using the Turks as labourers, and all the racial hatred that stems from that.
The UK has a large indian originating population that came over to do cheap labour, and is not without its own racial issues, especially in strongly multi-cultural areas.
And the US has Mexico.

Its possible for people from these countries to migrate and work as cheap labourers, but that is seperate from the issue of illegal migrants.

National Identity is an equally curious issue. Examples of nations forcing an identity onto immigrants and having problems (France and the riots in Paris) seem to be as frequent as problems in multi-cultural areas. Racism is a 2 sided coin and it is a huge problem with no easy answer.

And for what its worth, the US immigration procedure sucks and is a nightmare. My application for a greencard has taken almost a year and is only just nearing completion.

 

I know that "alien" is not a USA only term. This was not a shot at the USA. Hell, I even married a Yank. I first came across the term in the UK, when flying from OZ, en-route to Africa. Why not 2 signs UK citizens, Non-UK citizens, USA citizens, Non-USA citizens, Australian citizens, Non-Australian citizens, or whatever nationality of the airport / port, you are in. I'd prefer that to "Aliens ". Bazza

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In most European countries, and several of the main hubs of the US I've flown into I have only ever seen those 2 types of signs. In fact I've never seen a sign for aliens in an airport to my recollection.

In the UK they are divided into EU citizens and non-EU citizens. The European countries I've flown into (admittedly not many) are also signed similarly.

The US seems to have US citizens and non-US citizens.

 

It was a long time ago that I saw the "Alien"sign in the UK airport. Long before the EU. Glad to see the EU, non EU alternatives, and the US variety as well.
Gotta get about more. Bazza

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Illegal Aliens take over trades and drive other nationalities out. This is highly organized. Please stay on topic and stop attacking the OP. In some forums derailing the thread would get you banned, and rightly so.

 

In which you can leave that sort of thing up to the moderators and admins.

This is the Lounge (Off Topic). Everything derails. If a moderator or admin deems it needed, the thread will be closed.

 

whats an OP?

 

On the Bridge of the Federation Starship USS Enterprise


Kirk: Mister Scott, report.

Scott: She's breakin' oop captain. Must be the illegal aliens.

Kirk: Transporter Room...Beam the illegal aliens back to Mexico.

Sulu: Captain we're under attack from giant Samari swords.

Kirk: Hold on Sulu, Mr. Scott has to beam the aliens back to Mexico first.

Scott: Aye, Captain. But who will take jobs lower than any America would.

Spock: Logically, Captain, the Klingons can take the lowest jobs.

Kirk: Good thinking Spock.


Moral: Real aliens are the real problem.

 

hmmmm It didn't yesterday? so 12 million stayed home didn't go to work.....to show us? I didn't even notice.....saw it on the news


I really don't care how they get here.....If they burn the My flag and spit on my country then ask for help when they are hurt, ask for money when they are broke? Why would I want to help them.

If I were to break the law ....I would go to jail.
If they break the law bye bye forever or jail.

And you said how hard it was to be here legally really?
I have friends from all the planet even mexico that are here on work visas. So it can't be that hard. Two of them have been here 11 years all legal paying taxes...still working below 10 per hour carrying thier own weight and not protesting in the streets.

If I burned their flag it would be a hate crime and off to jail I would go.

We have soooo many things sooooo much more important.
The list would be endless.

Like someone else said if you don't like it here leave bye bye now

 

The point is, if you go to a country, what is the problem with LEGAL immigration? You don't expect me to illegally enter your country, refuse to learn your language, or abide by your laws, do you?

Immigration is fine. Foreigners are fine. Illegal anything is not fine.

You obey the law, period.

 

The keyword here is 'ILLEGAL'
If you are in a country illegally you have 2 choices:
1) Get Legalized
2) Get OUT

 

The same people who want an open door policy for everyone, are the same people who cry out the loudest when their standard of living drops, or their suburb looks like a third world country.


laurieB, OP = original poster. Or if you're with someone you like OP = Oh Please!

 

if only everythng in life were that simple. or is there some reason you think people PREFER to stay 'illigal'? i can only repeat...from my own experiences...the immigration proceedures in the US are a nightmare beyond the scope of most. most 'illigals' entered the country 'legally' when you overstay your visa you dont actually become, automatically, an 'illigal alian'. there is a phrase for it but i've forgot it. this problem intensifies the longer it goes on for, and the more intrenched in your life you become. please try to imagine what those choices and stresses mean. the people you are so glib about have families, communities, ethics, ambitions, cares and worries just like you. they are not some seperate, somehow different, brand of human being. i cant comment on the flag burning. diddnt see any of that, but dont actually watch a lot of the news. aloha

 

Regardless of whether they have families or emotions, they're still breaking the law.

The immigration procedure being a nightmare is no excuse either (It seems to work OK for countless others).


You either have a country where the rule of law is respected and obeyed, or you have a basket-case anarchist state.

 

Hello LaurieB
I'll bet there's not many Illegal Hispanics in Hawaii!
I'm sure it easy to forget about the rest of the US while hanging at the beach even more so while smoking weed
Hey I'm just Kidding, Nothing personal here, unless your an Illegal!

There are so many Illegals in my city one of the Two large Hospitals serving the community had to close.
These Illegals whom don't have Health Ins when they get sick/pregnant or whatever they simply go to the Emergency room ( nothing like free services at the Expense of Legal citizens)
The School's are Big trouble Now

Kinda Gives new Meaning to "The Land of The Freeeeeee"

If one has no problem entering a country Illegally, they probably wont have any problem breaking other laws too.

 

Everything in Life IS that simple, Laurie!
I'm from New Orleans and I rode out Hurricane Katrina in the rented house I lived in. I only left 10 days after the storm because I was FORCED to.
I went from having a place to live, everything I needed, a good job, pets and a hell of a lot of what I wanted to... ZIP...0...NADA in less than 24 hours.
They put me on a plane and flew me to Des Moines with my suitcase containing some instant coffee and 50 cents.
I learned THIS:
You either DO or you DON'T
You WILL or you WON'T
You CAN or you CAN'T
What if...maybe....and 'sitting on the fence' is an utter waste of precious time.

 

Hello Toni
Wow, from New Orleans to Des Moines, Hope you like Corn





I like your sig
Today I feel like a Statue
I'm covered with Illegal Immagrunt

 

lol...I LOVE corn!
I HATE snow...but I'll adjust!

 

Another plus
Ain't no Hurricanes

 

Funny how many LEGAL immigrants there are. The law isn't the easy way, but it is the LAW.

 

Personally I didnt find the process to be a nightmare, although it is very long and cumbersome. But that's okay too. I came from the UK - a country that allies with the USA, and so a lot of the hoops I had to jump through were simply part of the immigration process put in place to ensure ALL non-nationals are entering for the right reasons. It would be impossible to have different immigration laws for different countries based on the level of risk for each different foreign national entering. So one set of rules it is, and you either abide by them and the process, or you stay at home. If you don't respect a country and it's laws, why would you want to be there anyway?

I also found Homeland Securities to be extremely helpful each time I contacted them with a query.

My question to those immigrants protesting (legal or illegal) is why bother to immigrate to a country if you think you are getting such a bad deal?