Is there a way to tell what day/time and email was originally sent?

Discussion in 'Software' started by LauraR, Nov 21, 2013.

  1. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    I was wondering if original info for an email would contain the actual day and time an email was sent.

    I received an email from someone that they are trying to pass off as having been sent this past Monday. I just got it this morning.
     
  2. brownizs

    brownizs MajorGeek

    It should be in the header info. May possibly be in UTC, depending on the server. It should be in "Received: from".
     
  3. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    So, if it was actually sent on Tuesday and I received it today, would the Tuesday date show up in my header info? Or would it just be the info from when gmail supposedly received it?
     
  4. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

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  5. Goldenskull

    Goldenskull I can't follow the rules

    You would have most likely gotten it the same day.Most email systems are no longer slow any more.

    Looks like the same day to me,
     
  6. brownizs

    brownizs MajorGeek

    You have to expand the header, to see the real info in the raw header. The Sent & Received info can be messed with, if someone wants to fake it, same as the send from address.

    What you want to look at, is when it came through the sender's email server. Now of course if it is a private server, again, they can mess with the raw header, by changing the date & time on the server, to cause the header to be "fixed". Same with Compose info.

    Are you trying to find out if someone is stating they never got an email on a certain date, or trying to prove that you sent the email on a certain date?
     
  7. brownizs

    brownizs MajorGeek

    The Google Toolbox Header analyze tool is the best way to prove when it was sent, when it routed through the other server, and when received.
     
  8. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    I used the raw header from my email with the google toolbox app I linked to. Is that what you're talking about? It translated it to my attached picture.

    I seriously doubt the person tampered with anything. They were basically trying to say they had sent the email back on Tuesday. I received it this morning (Thursday). I decided to look at the header, but wasn't sure if it would show when the email was actually created. If this email was created on Tuesday, would the header show that? It looks to me as if it's saying it was created today...15 seconds before I received it.
     
  9. brownizs

    brownizs MajorGeek

    If the server went down, or if they were using an email program, yes the email could have been held in their Outbox, due to server issues.

    I have noticed that usually around 9pm Central time, email deliveries stop, and do not start until around 6-6:30 am Central time. Also have noticed that att's yahoo servers are really bad for certain POP servers, for not working with Outlook.

    Did the OP compose the email on a laptop that was while they were not connected to the Internet possibly, or just may have had server issues.

    Two days, makes it sound like the USPS or Canadian Post was handling the mail.
     
  10. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    This is a home office and I seriously doubt anything went down. This was more me trying to check what I figured was the case, that the person was trying to insult my intelligence by sending an email 2 days after the fact and wanting me to believe it was that much delayed. You're more likely going to just not get an email than have that type of delay.
     
  11. Caliban

    Caliban I don't need no steenkin' title!

    I agree, Laura. I've been playing with my Gmail headers (boy, that didn't come out right...;)) over the last couple of days trying to simulate your circumstances and I see nothing to indicate anything other than the mail being created on the same day it was received.
     
  12. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    LOL

    Did you try to send it using Outlook or something and turning off your internet? Seeing what the created timestamp said?

    I think I'll do that.

    Yay! An experiment. :-D
     
  13. Caliban

    Caliban I don't need no steenkin' title!


    No I did not - deviously great idea. I've a feeling that the culprit has no idea with whom he/she is messing. :major
     
  14. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    Okay. Well, it did show the created timestamp to be the time I turned my internet back on. So it is possible for the email to have showed a delayed created by date in that case. I am pretty sure her connection wasn't lost for 2 days though. lol
     
  15. brownizs

    brownizs MajorGeek

    I am still thinking email program issues. I stopped using Outlook for email, since I was having to reinstall Windows 8 so much, due to issues caused by updates, and was testing Ubuntu & Mint also on this machine, along with 8.1 beta.

    I just use yahoo webmail for my @att.net, since I am on my iPhone, Nexus 7 tablet, or the computer. Plus just got tired of having to deal with the whole reinstall the files for my personal folder in Outlook.

    So going back, if the OP stated they tried 2 days ago, you could ask them to send you a copy of their send log, which would show if they were having issues sending from their program to the server.

    I have seen @att.net act up for more than 24 hours on certain POP servers, as I stated before. I have also seen stuff get stuck in the Outbox, even on a domain, due to issues between the exchange server and our servers at the main computer center for the State of Illinois, due to they screwed up the VPN connection, between satellite offices, and the main computer center.
     

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