It's Time to Get Over Microsoft

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by DavidGP, Nov 22, 2007.

  1. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Reading this article by Bruce Byfield this morning and I agree with him in is observations on the weird minority community who tirelessly have a pop at Microsoft,



    Full article
    http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/entdev/article.php/3711871
     
  2. ItsWendy

    ItsWendy MajorGeek

    I don't obsess, I just don't like em much. A lot of it has to do with their business practices, and their ongoing procedures of saying one thing and doing another.

    If you like computers they are a necessary evil. If it wasn't them it would be someone else. Personally, I think a little dislike is good for them. They are arrogant, and need watching to keep them honest. If MS had their way they would be the only company left, and would dictate what is good for all. Back in the day they used quite a few dirty tactics and sometimes outright thievery to get on top. Anyone remember the difference between DOS 6.2 and 6.22? Lord help someone who steals their code though.

    But, like I said, they are necessary, and have done some good things. I just wish they wouldn't reinvent the wheel and rename all the parts every couple of years, and expect everyone to pay $200+ for the privilege.

    FOSS isn't the answer for everyone, not by a long ways. I've tinkered with Linux, but I'm not even close to being able to use it effectively. Even when I used a TRS-80 Model I with tiny BASIC I was using Microsoft, and that didn't change when I went to Commodores. One of the things Microsoft did definitively was firm up standards when it was needed most. We still see slight vestiges of the standards wars (as in MP4 vs. Qtime), but for the most part even open source has benefited from these issues being resolved.
     
  3. Burning_Monkey

    Burning_Monkey MajorGeek

    I agree totally with Bill. There is a whole laundry list of reasons that I choose to hate MS, but like Bill I am not going to write blogs about my hate. I also am not going to be some MS apologist though, going through life saying that everything MS is like mana from the heavens. Catching the breath of Bill Gates in a jar will not cure lepers, nor is it a tool for summoning demons from the ether. It probably just smells bad. :)

    Another reason to hate Microshaft, every one loves a success story, but hates successful people or companies. Quite the dichotomy, isn't it?
     
  4. ItsWendy

    ItsWendy MajorGeek

    Be honest though, who doesn't wish they weren't Mr. or Mrs. Bill Gates? :D
     
  5. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Difference between you two guys Bill and BM is that you have really constructive critisisms of this company, many do not and use the really old kiddy words like "Micro$oft" and "Windoze" that show they have no idea.

    I agree they are not perfect by a very long shot, but somethimes rather than gripe and moan about them without every getting anywhere, isn't it good to either eat your words and go FOSS or actively join a beta test and tell the developers what you feel about their software and what direction it should go?

    I know that this will not happen for business practices, sadly most of that is out of the software devs hands too, like pricing, in which I feel the software is way too expensive, if they followed Apple ( although Apple pop new versions out just as much ) and charge a resonable price or multi-licence versions as many of us these days have 2 or 3 PCs, it would really cut down in piracy, thus malware.

    As the article mentions ( and is written by a Linux writer/user ), if Microsoft was out of the picture, SUN or Adobe or another would take over and the same critiques would continue.


    Very true... kinda guess I read all about the american dream wrong.... be successful and be hated.
     
  6. shanemail

    shanemail Fold On

    As a home user If you don't like it, don't use it.
    I imagine it is somewhat more difficult for businesses :confused

    One of things that a lot of average users require is an easy to use GUI, Microsoft provides that.

    While I am very inexperienced with other Operating systems (installed Gutsy Gibbon, haven't got around to looking at it yet), I see no reason why they cannot make themselves more user friendly. From what I have read here and elsewhere that appears to be a very common gripe.


    The pricing and license restrictions are a definite problem, I wouldn't mind paying the price if I could use the OS on up to 3 computers. I would still see it within their rights to only have this applicable for computers owned by the same person though.

    I am also still confused as to why it is generally acceptable for software developers to release products that are not completed (service packs) I am aware that a lot of this has to do with security updates, but it would be nice if the final service pack was released at least a year before the replacement OS hit the shelves.
     
  7. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    I agree, with put up or shut up... however many who moan and state go linux, hate microsoft with a passion, do not dump MS software as they do not know how to run Linux, its not as easy as some think and LiveCDs while a great taster of an OS, is not a viable final option, it needs to be installed on the HD, then there is the usual apps we all love and getting used to them, out of the BOX, Windows is superb, if Linux devs could produce this as Apple have then great as it will give MS a run for its money and create some competition as we see between AMD and Intel, this drives prices down.



    MS did do this but in a limited timeframe, you could get 3 licences cheaper than buying 3 full seperate licences and this needs to be standard in Windows 7 without fail.

    Never happen in reality as no software will ever be final, the code is way too complex once you take away the core kernel which is fairly small, the rest is huge... In the case of Windows there will always be a cross over in service packs as many users will still be on the old OS before migrating to the new and I kinda like this as it says in soem small way to the uses of the older OS, we are not just dumping you becasue we have a new OS out ( well just yet that is ).


    Software is a funny old game, you love it or loathe it at times.
     
  8. Sk1ttles

    Sk1ttles Private E-2

    I think the major grip that most have with Microsoft is the monopolistic nature of the company. Hey don't get me wrong, anyone in business would love to be able to have a monopoly. And as for griping I can remember a Mr Bill Gates some almost thirty years ago griping about IBM, and its monopoly. Funny what goes around comes around again.

    What ticks me off the most, are those that malign any new software, that includes those that maligned Mr Gates when he introduced MS-DOS. Open code is always a gutsy move for any company to make, for it means that they have to keep current, in order to stay at the top. Mr Gates and his company chose Open Architecture, because they didn't have the resources to do otherwise, but unfortunetly chose to go the closed code route with their software to entrench their ability to survive. Strange isn't it, it was the Open Architecture, that enabled DOS PC's to trounce the Closed Architecture of Apple, even though at the time the Apple system was superior in many respects.

    Closed Code is a Poor choice, for it will mean their eventual lose, as it did for Ma Bell, IBM, General Motors and many others. Any person or company that can not take having their stance challenged, always fails. One of the Open Coders Mantra's:- "Open Code, Open Mind - Closed Code, Closed Mind", and I remember a Mr Gates saying that in a Seattle Convention I attended some almost thirty years ago.

    Strange isn't it how things change, when the challenger becomes the challenged
     
  9. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Sadly in this day and age Open Source Code is ripe for anyone to add backdoors and vunerabilities due to its open nature, closed code its much harder, albiet hackers aim for that code more. Sadly a byproduct of this day and age of folk wanting your personal data, if we didnt have malware in computing, Open Source Code is the way to go.

    One thing that many do not know is most servers are running linux and not Win Server, the main source of botnets and infections come off linux servers, yes they infect Windows Desktop PCs but the source is Linux and Open Source software.. why well Linux is the server soft of choice and the market leader so like Windows being the market leader in desktop soft, malware writers hit what is topdog in any area, if Mac OS became a popular choice they would hit that.
     
  10. Adrynalyne

    Adrynalyne Guest

    I've not seen a direct advantage of open source, aisde from swift updates, and of course it being free to do with what you like. Even Apple knows better than keeping their entire OS Open source.

    Open source = more developers, sure, including crappy ones that muck up things. It also removes standardization, which is a bad thing.

    LOTD is not going to happen until there is standardization, which is tough with FOSS.
     

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