Mac Vs. Windows

Max I have not had a issue with virus or malware in the last 15 years be cause of the stuff i put in place.And for the most part every time i do a scan with malware bytes it comes up clean.

So i have no issues disabling Windows defender.Which is a major resource hog now.

And i all so said at the top that in one if my post.Unlike Previous windows In windows 10 it can not be removed completely.Be leave me i have tried to disable it.It will run all the time in the back round no matter what you do.

 

Yes, if something better is installed then in many cases that program will disable Windows Defender as part of its install process, or it can be easily disabled manually. Obviously, there is no need of it if another AV program is running and kept up to date.
But run by a user without anything else is fine and doesn't look like a resource hog to me, if it is the sole main security program.

 

Unfortunately it is not so simple...
There are certain components of windows Defender and windows Firewall that always run no matter who or what "disables" them.
If you are tasked with coding an spying executive like MS'; would you let an average Joe disable your engine just by installing a different AV or Firewall?
I wouldn't.

 

I have found on many cases that Windows defender will take up 10 to 20% of your cpu utilization's.Even when it is disabled.Now i am not sure if this is due to the Antimalware Service or Windows defender which are mainly one in the same.

I have watched this very close .

 

I will have to rely on your unique system experience. But it doesn't apply on any system I am experienced with.
Never had any issues with any of the built in security in Windows 10 on 3 of my own systems or the 30+ I have helped upgrade to Win 10.
If a user installs a program (as an example I use the Comodo Internet Security suite) that shuts down Win Defender, then it is SHUT DOWN.
The inbuilt Windows FW is also essentially not active when the Comodo FW is active. So I am afraid I have to disagree with you on a general point.

I'm not experiencing any of the so-called problems people suggest they have with Win 10

 

I'm afraid you must have experience with some strange systems.
I have never experienced such issues in Vista, 7 or 8.1 with WD, let alone in Win 10. And unless I'm facing an actual problem, I frankly don't care what CPU usage is! Why would you watch something 'very close' unless you actually have a problem with normal use? It's just stats gazing for the sake of it.

 

Please do not get me wrong; it is not my intention arguing with you but
sure you would agree experiencing a problem many times relates to the know-how
that a particular observer is able to handle;

You can read all over the net lot of people installing 3d party AVs and Windows Defender "coming back to life"
because all of a sudden Defender "stopped recognizing" your 3rd party AV or just MS needs it alive for some other reason. i.e.
http://www.thewindowsclub.com/is-windows-defender-sufficient-enough-windows-10 (read the comments)
http://www.ghacks.net/2015/10/25/how-to-disable-windows-defender-in-windows-10-permanently/
etc..

The same with MS Firewall; I have experienced myself how this piece of software is never completely off no matter what its configuration
says. Some time ago I've personally talked to NOD32 people who recognized their firewall component was on top of certain
API (Application Program Interface) component offered by MS Firewall even when they say their FW turns MS FW off !

I know you talk based on your personal experience but I think reading all the links I've added to this thread can help you to get
a different (probably richer) point of view.

Finally, let me add a link from Microsoft thoroughly explaining privacy settings on Windows 10
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us...ating-system-components-to-microsoft-services


Best,
Patrick

 

I think relativism is a drug that impairs our judgment when making the distinction between good and bad.

I'm really worried about what W10 collects but it does not make me feel better comparing to what Google, Facebook, etc already have.
I try to have a healthy e-life; no personal Facebook account, no personal Twitter account, etc, etc.. It is not impossible
to carefully have a relatively private e-life.
But how can I even think about "minimal" privacy if my OS is able to phone home with absolutely all my personal data, my passwords, my work, my everything....


There's a lot a stake here; if we easily give this thing up tomorrow they will tell us we have to get an implant with all the info
about us that Google, Twitter, Facebook and Microsoft "already" have...

I really wonder which OS important people use; CEOs of big companies; high rank military personal, high rank politicians.. do they use OSX or Windows????

Best,
Patrick

 

I agree Microsoft hides the way to stop telemetry but surely they are still afraid of removing it.
If we users do not care; if our politicians do not feel the user's pressure about companies stealing our private info
well... things are going to get really ugly.

I'm not very optimistic;
most people just don't care about these things.
Common sense is not "cool" these days...

Best,
Patrick

 

Most Big Business will upgrade to the latest for a discount.

Us Military how ever as far as i know they still use windows XP for the Main operating systems.The Us Military just paid microsoft a couple of billion tax payers dollars to keep there windows xp up to date.This is the kinda thing that annoys me.I pay into this kinda stuff with my taxes.

This happened not to long ago.Maybe a year or so ago.

You can look it up.

 

They most likely have proprietary software that won't run on newer OSes. The military appropriations process is rather byzantine so it may be easier and possibly cheaper to maintain the current stuff than buy something new.

 

Many big businesses and even governments paid MS to extend support for XP until it was financially and administratively feasible for them to upgrade their, often 10s of 1000s of systems, to a new OS itself. They were planning for it long before XP support finally ended.
It certainly didn't cost them anywhere near what it would have cost to upgrade to a new OS straight away. It didn't even remotely costly them billions. It cost the UK government for example - for its entire network across every single department - just £5.5 million. It was cost-effective for tax payers, so I doubt it was any less benefit to any other government.

 

From MS "Finally, we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary."
I worry more about what MS will do with the information than the other collectors. "Doing so is necessary" does include selling and giving it to government agencies?

 

They should define "necessary" in the context of that "agreement" but AFAIK they don't do it...

Unfortunately this is pointless; your encrypting/decrypting engine runs on a PC with a compromised OS.

There's always a big lie supporting their "needs"; "WMD" "War on terror" "NSA" "medical research" whatever... The point is always the same;"legally" taking without your consent something that belongs to you; your information, your work, your money, your freedom...

Best,
Patrick

 

It makes a big difference; the patient there has the option to say "no" and their data is never taken "by default".
MS thinks that our personal info belongs to them and so far there was not a single judge considering that as robbery...

When I see all this thing I get upset about Linux approach;
Linux ecosystem became a mess, hundreds of distribution fighting to survive in the name of "freedom" w/o a clear objective .
Derivatives of derivatives of derivatives... (Debian->Ubuntu->Mint->who knows..)
RHEL is the only one with certain level of seriousness (but is not free). It is proved in this case the excess of freedom came with lack of effective leadership
and today we cannot consider any Linux distro as a Windows competitor on the desktop arena.
Sometimes I wonder what would happen if Linux keeps the kernel development as it is now but all the rest of the effort gets concentrated in no more than 3 distributions. I hope these guys some day will stop the current approach and finally make a quality desktop OS out of Linux

Best,
Patrick

 

Wow... I might have a lot of input on this one. I think I'll start out by saying... it seems like this has turned into an attack on Microsoft for their collection of personal information. I gotta tell ya... I was right there with you at one point in time. I did my college English comp research paper on how I think Microsoft should be broke apart like AT&T so many years ago. Years have passed since then and I've got a bit more insight under my belt. Believe me, I still have some bitterness towards Microsuck, but have you all forgotten about literally every other business on the planet earth would still be avidly attempting to collect your personal info even if Microsoft wasn't? Of course, this will prompt you to say... "that doesn't mean Microsoft has to help them!"

Here's the thing, it's a bit complicated, and there are sooo many aspects that factor into it, that it would be impossible to list without being on the inside. Here's what I mean... think of it this way. Microsoft is a huge corporation, a monster in the business. They want information to develop more apps, better apps, eliminate rarely used apps, etc. The fact that anyone would think they would just freely share the information they've gathered is ludicrous. They are not going to share a major marketing advantage point, their "edge", without a price. This is where it gets a bit hairy. Microsoft has affiliates, of course, and more than likely will have contracts with those "partners" in a paid agreement to provide end user information. If you feel violated by this, or feel like your privacy has been breached, I'd beg to differ. You are ONE user in a compiled statistics file out of... how many? The U.S.? Nope, you're still thinking to small, too personally. This is global. Do you really think they give a shit about a single user? Microsoft is marketing to the WORLD.

The fact is... whether you'd like to believe it or not, they handle any information they gather very carefully (much more securely than you do with your non-encrypted, wide open files) because in the end, they know there are people out there, just like here, that are aching for them to slip up and cause an uproar (think ashleymadison.com) and then where will their revenues go? Plummeting... that's where. And they know it. I assure you, they fully intend to uphold a certain reputation. It's like a new gas station opening up in town, the first week its up, everyone that gets gas there has car problems and finds out it was bad gas. You know what that would do to that business? It won't be there for long.

Ok, so now, after that rant, I'd also like to say that I was a die hard Windows 7 advocate and was flat out defiant of Windows 10. The fact is, Microsoft released Windows 10 as a free upgrade because it was their way of a live beta test. That's what those people that immediately upgraded were, whether they knew it or not, they were beta testers. Now that over a year has passed since it's release, I can honestly and confidently say that I love Windows 10. Dare I say it's better than Windows 7? Yes, that's right. The arguable reasons that it sucks can easily be addressed.

1. Windows Defender is constantly running, I can't disable or remove it!

a. Yes you can. Mine hasn't ran since I installed my antivirus program. You want to run through the internet (a cat house) without a condom? Get antivirus or be grateful for the free alternative.​

2. You can't pick and choose which updates to install! It just does it automatically and I have no say so!

a. You might not be able to pick and choose, but you CAN stop the Windows Firewall service and set it to manual (or even disabled). The updates will be shown with their KB number as "failing to install." Then you can look up the details on Microsoft's website. At least you'll have a description. If it's a huge concern, just disable Windows Update in the services entirely. ​

3. I've read and heard about so many privacy issues with Windows 10, and I feel like my privacy is being invaded!

The main thing you should be concerned with in this aspect is your credit card/bank information, and things like your social security number. If you're doing any kind of online banking or financial transactions (shopping) you really should have good security in place. I like Kaspersky. Other than that, unless you're on a government site, I would be weary about typing your SSN on the internet. On a side note, I think someone mentioned congress getting involved with this whole "privacy invasion" which seriously made me LOL! You mean the people that would take your tax dollars and PAY for all the information they could get on you? You've heard of NSA, right? LOL congress isn't going to do jack... except go along with what government wants to facilitate. You heard about government wanting back doors into iPhones, correct? LOL.. yeah.
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Bottom line is... some of your information is going to get out there, but I don't think it's as appalling as some make it out to be. Besides that, you can greatly limit the amount of information being sent. Turn off the location service (mine is disabled). Turn off the utcsvc services. I stop the service every time I log in. Go through the GUI options and turn off all the privacy settings, opt out of participating or being a part of any of it. Get a decent antivirus program. Again, I like Kaspersky. Private Browsing blocks any and all cookies, tracking or otherwise unless it interferes with my access to the website in which case, it notifies me and asks. I can go through the logs and see every site that has requested my information, and I gotta tell ya... I don't think Microsoft is who you need to worry about. If you want to go the whole nine yards, encrypt your files, bounce through a proxy server, and create "dummy" email addresses with all false information for website registrations. I read all these concerns about invasion of privacy, but it seems like if it were a major concern, these would be some of the precautions one would take. You might feel as though you shouldn't have to do all these things, but then again, the Dollar General Store shouldn't have to invest in magnetic strips on their products and audio/video cameras in every corner. I guess it just all depends on how much it means to you.

As for Apple, they SUCK! LOL


P.S. Kidding, sort of... regardless of my somewhat bias point-of-view, I actually do have a bit of inside information about Apple laptops, in particular. I would avoid them, buyer beware. I've had customers call in for a replacement battery (an inevitability for a laptop) and to my utter shock and disbelief, I pulled their repair bill up to see a $1200 fee. I passed this off as an obvious mistake, and went to ask as I'm not that familiar with Apple devices (which is why I'm a bias point-of-view) only to discover that due to Apple laptop batteries being internal and proprietary, it actually does incur around $1,000 in charges. The AppleCare plans that you can purchase with the product can save you from this, but only once, and even then, be prepared to meet resistance. Depending on the store location and some other factors, some of the representatives are conditioned to BS their way out of honoring their contract plans. So again, buyer beware!

I hope I've helped or provided something to think about, and I apologize if I came off sounding ummm... a bit... passionate? in my rant sorry! lol

 

The equation is not so simple; a well designed public OS could be very safe (BSD) when a closed source OS is not much safer and today w/o regulations it's also a huge open door to privacy abuses.

OMG... I utterly disagree with your POV. Your relativism is despicable;
Our representatives don't do their job so to be "clever" I have to stop expecting them to do it???
Finally do you think that "Capitalism" is something that can only be practiced by big corporations?
the rest of us, "individuals" do not care at all right? You as an individual already gave up your right to consider your info as your private property?
well your world sounds very much like "Communism" to me, where "my" data is not "mine" anymore it belongs to some big corp, but I do not have
to worry because they take very good care of it... right??

 

I don't understand. Disable the Windows Firewall service. Done. My Windows Update actually fails because the Windows Firewall isn't running. I also have several logs in the Event Viewer to further confirm this. Several components "failed to register with the firewall" and therefore will not run. If you try to install something from the Windows Store, it will give you an error if you have the Windows Firewall service off. You could argue that this is more underhanded, sneakiness by Microsoft, but I really don't see it that way.

The way I see it... if you are installing an app from their store, they want to make sure it is registered with the firewall to ensure they won't be liable for any kind of malicious software that may have gotten through. Same thing with the Windows Update. Granted, they screen and have to approve every program before it will even be available in the Windows Store, but again, it's a liability issue. I don't see anything wrong with it.

The fact of the matter is, you can most certainly turn off/disable the Windows Firewall. I don't even have the service startup type set to disabled. It's only on manual and it still doesn't start unless I manually start it.