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  1. Replicator

    Replicator MajorGeek

    I lost 200 on the first at flemington, still came out 1000 up at the end of the day!
    Your quoting the duds, what about the winners?
    Ok, i will go find them for you seeing your on a biased side.

    Star Wars : The last Jedi
    highest domestic grossing movie of all-time with $936M and third highest worldwide with $2.07 billion.
    Unaffected by YT or burning a copy for my neighbour

    Thor: Ragnarok
    Ragnarok‘s massive No. 1 $122.7M opening weekend.
    posted a record high for the trilogy with a domestic total of $315M, and a global take of $853.5M.
    Would have got more if it didnt have Hemsworth. lol

    What else you got Tim?
     
  2. Sgt. Tibbs

    Sgt. Tibbs Ultra Geek

    Starving? No. But they (we) lose millions of dollars of income overall every year due to piracy and illegal file sharing.

    https://creativefuture.org/why-this-matters/whats-the-problem/
     
  3. Sgt. Tibbs

    Sgt. Tibbs Ultra Geek

    You're quoting gross. We're talking net. There's kind of a huge difference. Nobody is saying movies don't make money... if they didn't, no one would continue to make movies. You specifically asked for proof backing up my hypothetical movie, and Tim provided you with several examples.
     
  4. Replicator

    Replicator MajorGeek

  5. Sgt. Tibbs

    Sgt. Tibbs Ultra Geek

    Huh. Who knew that all file sharing, regardless of content, was illegal? :rolleyes:
     
  6. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    You asked...I answered. Now the question is why are you being a dick??

    It hurts them. You write a book or create a movie and have it spread all over the internet and see if your bottom line likes it.
     
  7. Replicator

    Replicator MajorGeek

    I could ask the same of you?


    Thats a fact and its here to stay, what do we do?
    Shut down or censor the internet to appease the movie industry? Or do we suck it up and move on because we know its here to stay?
     
  8. Replicator

    Replicator MajorGeek

    Aaahhh, nothing like some healthy debate to starve the boredom hey guys?

    Getting back in my box now :(

    Edit: [whats that lump under my doona? Crap, its the dvd i had my mates copy for me, Im gonna take it straight back and tell them how naughty they are]
     
  9. Sgt. Tibbs

    Sgt. Tibbs Ultra Geek

    If someone was stealing from you, would you just "suck it up and move on"? Or would you do something to prevent it?
     
  10. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    "The U.S. economy loses $12.5 billion in total output annually as a consequence of music theft. Sound recording piracy leads to the loss of 71,060 jobs to the U.S. economy. ... The U.S. federal, state and local governments lose a minimum of $422 million in tax revenues annually due to piracy."
     
  11. Replicator

    Replicator MajorGeek

    Good point tibbs......but i beg the answer, what do we do to stop it?
    I can put screens up on my windows, and install CCTV, but what about the fact that all our computers are connected together?

    Are we giving more ammo to the Feds to censor us?
    Is this what we want?
    I think terrorism is a way better excuse to the cause of internet censorship.
    Lets have them read our emails, tag our browsing habits, force our ISP's to hand over IP's, tell them which bank we funded the account from etc etc.
    Its already happening.
     
  12. Replicator

    Replicator MajorGeek

    Lol....I knew you would do that you google abuser you! ;)

    Where's the love?

    Edit: I just wanted to stick up for Wile cause i thought he made a good point, and then it rained down on me now - Phil Collins
     
  13. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    Check your replies .... it was you who insulted Tibbs. No one insulted you.

    "The stark cost of illegal downloading and streaming of movies and TV shows had been laid bare – a whopping US$51.6 billion (€44.5 billion)."
     
  14. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    Not even part of the conversation. No one is censoring you. But you do have a firewall on your machine to keep people from stealing your info, right? Music companies put digital code on DVD's to stop them from being copied. Websites that have pirated content are investigated by the FBI and shut down.
     
  15. Replicator

    Replicator MajorGeek

    You live under the Magic Faraway tree Tim, dont underestimate the crews behind these sites.
    Its a cat n mouse game, and the mouse usually wins.
    You should know that, your a malware fighter.

    Here you go, they have been shut/attacked/ DoSS'd /attempts to censor / been put in jail sharing food with Snowden, yet they still remain
    https://thepiratebay.org/

    And i can get client software right here to connect......

    Now you have upset me with your ignorance!
     
  16. Sgt. Tibbs

    Sgt. Tibbs Ultra Geek

    Well, for starters, websites like YouTube remove copyright-protected content such as Monty Python and the Holy Grail when posted in its entirety to stream without licensing. ;)
     
  17. Replicator

    Replicator MajorGeek

    Hehe, fair enough!

    :cool:
     
  18. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

  19. Replicator

    Replicator MajorGeek

    Lol....Believe nothing of what your read, and only half of what you see!

    Did you click my link?
    Works for me ;)
     
  20. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    Yes, I clicked your link, but international copyright laws are diverse and TPB is getting around it by only "actually distributes is a hash code which identifies the program, it’s the users who are sharing the programs that are distributing the actual programs." All the US can do is talk to the Swedes.
    Now whose ignorance is showing?

    The previous owners were jailed and seriously fined to the tune of $30 million.
     
  21. Replicator

    Replicator MajorGeek

    Read my posts Tim!
    Sorry if i upset you mate but the truth is the truth......we all cann Trump for hiding behind it!

    They run proxies to served mirrors, its far from a native domain :)
    https://piratebay-proxylist.com/

    Dont get me wrong, I dont support piracy in anyway, but the facts are it remains!
     
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  22. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    What truth? That it is ok to steal copyrighted media? That people will always find a way to pirate media? That you use a firewall to protect your media? What truth?

    The only thing that you did to piss me off was to insult Tibbs. You owe her an apology!!
     
  23. Replicator

    Replicator MajorGeek

    First of all i love tibbs, she is a woman who is prepared to stand up for what she believes in, I respect that!
    Admit though, you would be bored to tears over in the malware forum without the likes of piratebay!
    But yes your right, Im sorry tibbsy, big hugs from me! hug-from-behind.gif
     
  24. Replicator

    Replicator MajorGeek

    Hey, we got ol' Wile E's thread moving though didnt we? ;)
     
  25. Eldon

    Eldon Major Geek Extraordinaire

    Soon to be released...
    "Monty Python and the Holy Debate".
    Read for free on MajorGeeks!
     
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  26. Mimsy

    Mimsy Superior Imperial Queen of the MG Games Forum

    This entire thread is surreal.

    Making a copy of a movie you purchased, and posting that copy on YouTube, does not fall under the legal definition of stealing. In order to steal from someone, you need to actually deprive that person of a physical object, which movie piracy does not do. Making a copy of a movie you purchased, and posting that copy on YouTube, is copyright infringement.

    Using the right label matters, just like robbing someone is different from assaulting them, and using the correct term for what happened when someone shoved you and took your purse, matters. (In a possibly futile attempt to prevent emotional verbal attacks I will state very firmly that both robbery and assault are WRONG. Just like copyright infringement is wrong.)

    While I have a strong opinion on this entire issue, and agree with one side more than the other, I can honestly say that takes a backseat to my strong desire to for once in my online life see someone use the correct legal term for the crime you are discussing.
     
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  27. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    "Intellectual property theft involves robbing people or companies of their ideas, inventions, and creative expressions—known as “intellectual property”—which can include everything from trade secrets and proprietary products and parts to movies, music, and software."
    https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/piracy-ip-theft
     
  28. Mimsy

    Mimsy Superior Imperial Queen of the MG Games Forum

    Intellectual property theft is not the same as copyright infringement. And I would be very careful about trusting information from any site that claims that "intellectual property theft costs U.S. businesses billions of dollars a year and robs the nation of jobs and tax revenues", and then conveniently forgets to present any data to back up that claim. That's far too similar to the music industry's claim that every illegal download equals a lost sale, and we all know that's flat out wrong, and nothing but propaganda.

    Copyright infringement could be considered a form of intellectual property theft, if you are willing to keep your definitions vague and not care too much about the details. However, the moment you try to claim that someone who is downloading a movie of TV show is stealing from whoever created it, you're sliding off down a very slippery slope of factually incorrect statements, and falsehoods.

    Viewing a Monty Python movie uploaded to YouTube by someone other than Monty Python, is not theft of intellectual property. Neither is downloading the latest version of Game of Thrones from a torrent for your own viewing pleasure, and never sharing your copy with anyone. In fact, in most countries neither of those actions are even illegal. But when you state that they are, you not only confuse the issue at hand, you make it impossible to have a productive conversation about the actual problem, that can lead to positive results. It's the online piracy version of joining the #MeToo movement because a man shoved me out of the way in an airport once. It wasn't a sexual assault, and I should not refer to it as one.
     
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  29. Replicator

    Replicator MajorGeek

    I prefer the term, 'sharing', not theft......we paid for it, we can share it with who we want, and do whatever the hell we like with it.

    Robbing companies of their ideas, inventions and creative expressions?????

    ..........its their choice to make it public, because they want to be paid money for it.
    If its so valuable and sensitive, keep it private and protect it.
    If I pay for it, they have got their wish, been paid, then this transfers the legal ownership of the object to me doesnt it?

    If I buy a car, its mine.....not the companies who built it!
    And I can lend it to my neighbor to drive down the shop if I so desire.
     
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  30. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    "... Losses due to online piracy in the music and film industries alone are currently estimated to be in the tens of billions of dollars (Szuskin, et al., 2009)."
    https://www.researchgate.net/public...ft_Infringement_and_Piracy_of_Protected_Works

    "When a movie or song is produced and marketed, everyone involved in the process has monetary gains from the sale of that product. Therefore, that product is protected by copyright law so that it cannot be copied, reproduced or resold without their permission. If you did not pay for a song, movie or other media file that has a copyright, then downloading that file is a crime. Likewise, distributing a copyrighted media file, whether via electronic or non-electronic methods, without the express permission of the copyright holder is also illegal."
    http://www.webster.edu/technology/service-desk/illegal-downloading.html

    "Downloading a song or movie is not really stealing."
    "If this is a song or movie that you would typically have to pay for and you download it without paying it is stealing. There is no difference between taking a CD from a store and downloading your favorite song. Both are stealing.

    Yes, perfectly legal to give it to a friend. But not legal to make a copy (copy RIGHT) and give it to a friend or publish it online.
    Sort of...like the MS EULA that limits your usage of software to one computer and illegal to copy and disperse.
    True, as long as it is for personal usage. But not in the US.
     
  31. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    "Did you know that 30 billion songs were illegally downloaded between 2004 and 2009? According to the Recording Industry Association of America, music sales have dropped by 47% ever since Napster made its debut."
    https://www.marshallmusic.co.za/effects-illegal-downloading-music-industry/

    https://brandongaille.com/21-shocking-music-piracy-statistics/
     
  32. Replicator

    Replicator MajorGeek

    These associations must start learning to work with it, rather than against it.
    Utilize it for all the benefits its worth to them.

    My point last night was that while i might not agree, its here to stay....like it or not!
    Kinda like the war on drugs, if they fight it, they will continue to lose.
    How many times do you hit your thumb with a hammer before you decide, hang-on, this hurts!
     
  33. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    And my point was to refute your assertions.

    What would you do if you were a wedding photographer and found out that your clients were taking your copyrighted photo's to WalMart and making copies instead of paying you to produce those copies? Might you call that stealing? Taking bread off your table?
     
  34. Replicator

    Replicator MajorGeek

    Both sides make valid points and I sympathize with both.

    My freedom is my biggest asset and no-one will take that away.
    Mimsy is right however,
    Its all just propaganda brought on by the sheer greed of corporates that think they have the right to socially engineer me about what i can, and cant do with whats in my possession.
    To hell with em!
     
  35. Replicator

    Replicator MajorGeek

    It goes on everywhere today.
    Your ISP tracks and logs your browsing habits and then onsells this information to the highest bidders.
    All without your permission.

    Your browsing habits are your own creative design are they not?
    This is also theft of your intellectual data under your interpretation of this matter.
     
  36. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    Surfing the web is intellectual data?? By whose definition? As per your kind of reasoning - my vehicle trips into town to various stores would be considered a creative endeavor that could be copyrighted......NOT!!
    So if I posses a nude picture of you, I have the perfect right to upload it to the web?

    You didn't reply to my question of a photographers copy right.

    Um...no.
    Again....no!! Apparently you did not read your contract with your ISP - an example:
    "Rise Broadband may share Your Personal Information with its Affiliates and with other third parties as described below:
    Rise Broadband reserves the right to fully use, disclose and process any Non-Personal Information collected from Customer in any manner as well as any information Customer makes public via Rise Broadband Services or website."
     
  37. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    No disrespect to Mimsy, but she is wrong. Denying facts as propaganda just won't cut it.
    Another example:
    "A new piracy market has also emerged in recent years thanks to the rise of the e-reader. Estimates suggest that there are 16.5 million illegal book downloaders in the United States who, by downloading their literature illegally, contribute to a loss of sales of 315 million U.S. dollars." Propaganda??
    https://www.statista.com/topics/3493/media-piracy/

    As a photographer, I know first hand the effect of "copyright infringment" or "intellectual property theft". It's one of the reasons I went out of business.
     
  38. Mimsy

    Mimsy Superior Imperial Queen of the MG Games Forum

    It is also, no disrespect to you, why this seems to be turning into a very emotional conversation.

    Taking my wedding photos to Walmart and making copies for my own use instead of paying a professional photographer five times as much, strikes me as economical, more than anything else. If the photographer doesn't want me to do that, they should have asked me to sign a legally binding contract that prevents me from doing so, before handing over the pictures. (This would be the equivalent of the T&Cs of most software and PC games, btw.) I am of course still going to be able to make pictures at Walmart if I want to, but now the photographer can sue me if I do it.

    And I'm talking completely in an abstract hypothetical, while you're talking about something that destroyed an important part of your life. Let's keep it abstract. It's easier to remain civil if we do.

    And technically, if someone downloads a song from a file share site, without paying the artist, they're not actually committing intellectual property theft. The person that made the song available for download did. The person downloading is grabbing a file from a public forum on the internet and may not even know it's not supposed to be there - though that is admittedly rare. However, whether they realize it or not, the downloader in this scenario is guilty of copyright infringement, which also is a crime. Just a different one than intellectual property theft.

    @Replicator
    Please stop claiming that you and I agree with each other on this issue. We don't. You do not actually own the digital copy of a movie you bought on Amazon Prime, anymore than you own the games you bought on Steam. Read up on licensing of digital entertainment media and streaming, including eBooks and library books, and make sure you understand how things work before you rejoin the debate. Start by gaining a better understanding of what intellectual property actually is.
     
  39. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    A contract was signed and the photo's had a copyright stamp on them. I don't know of a professional photographer who does not have a contract as well as a copyright stamp.
    Semantics.....The FBI call it theft.
    If he happens to be at WalMart while you are doing it. ( Very unlikely.) (And if he is...the fine is $18,000).
    Have I been uncivil?
    True ..... and "Prior to the music industry taking a stand against Napster and other file sharing websites, only 35% of people actually knew that P2P file sharing was actually illegal. In 2003-2004, the amount of music piracy doubled, even as the amount of people who knew it was illegal also doubled." So a large number do know it is illegal.
     
  40. Mimsy

    Mimsy Superior Imperial Queen of the MG Games Forum

    In that case, whoever assisted them at Walmart was even more at fault.

    Not in the least. I was trying to prevent it from getting to that point.,and it's entirely possible that was an overreaction on my part. :)

    I feel like I would be remiss if I didn't mention that a large reason for why sales of music have gone down, is the number of legal alternatives to making purchases. A small monthly fee to Spotify gives you access to almost all the music in the world, as long as you have an internet connection. If you have that, and Amazon Prime Music as a back-up option, a lot of music lovers will settle for that and just not make individual purchases anymore. Why bother, when I can have an entire music library on my smartphone, via the cloud? Without paying $10 per album, or without even needing to buy a full album if I don't want to? With any music I want at my fingertips, thanks to the search field?

    RIAA are losing revenue because they were slow to adapt to this new reality - what they should have done when they discovered Napster was not to shut it down, but to provide a legal, and better, alternative.... but they didn't do that. They tried to stop the digital evolution of music, instead of embracing it, and they paid the price. They still are.

    Blockbuster was replaced by online streaming largely because no one needed their services anymore. Record stores are unlikely to go that way... but sales of CDs might. And when that happens, everyone who has paid attention will have seen it coming.
     
  41. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    WalMart would only argue that they only provided the means...like a P2P website.
    That is absolutely correct: "From 2006-2009, with the advent of streaming music services and subscription apps like Pandora and Spotify that allowed for free music access, the illegal download rates went from 19% to 14%. "
    I think Blockbuster went under due to all the likes of Netflix, Hulu, etc.

    And I agree whole heartedly with the rest of your thoughts. :)
     
  42. Replicator

    Replicator MajorGeek

    One of the biggest challenges facing the movie/music industry isn’t the technology itself, but rather the resulting mindset of the listeners/watchers, particularly towards the value of the content itself.

    No one is really paying attention to the end point user......the digital aged, and internet savvy consumer!

    If we can access it we will, so until you can stop that Tim, all your whinging and 'do-gooder' googling will fall on deaf ears.
    Its a fact.

    Have you ever had a parking or speeding ticket?......well guess what?, your a law breaker too!
     
  43. Replicator

    Replicator MajorGeek

    Who do we listen too?
     
  44. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    Yes, I have. And I paid a fine for doing so.

    Basically, you are saying that since it is so easy to download illegal media, why not do it! It's doubtful I will get caught, so screw them.

    At least now we know where your moral ethics stand.
     
  45. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    And just out of curiousity, which of the other 9 commandments have you broken?
     

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