Puppy Allegedly Killed by 3 boys: ages 6 and 8http://www.startribune.com/462/story/50

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This story sickened me when I read it this morning. Then, as the day went on, all the news broadcasts were talking about it.
These boys need help. Are they future serial killers? I don't know, but I do know they need something.

 

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Very sad all round.

There is a lot of research around the link between animal cruelty and later, human cruelty. It can be that young children "experimenting" with torture methods on small animals later become involved in violent and fatal crimes against weaker human beings than themselves.

 

Oh my lord. I knew that I would be upset after reading that, but I still did. I cannot imagine that family and what they are dealing with right now. Animals are such special creatures, and those young boys....in my humble opinion, should be beat with sticks too.

I can't believe that children would do that. On a similar note. We (my parents and I) think that the neighbor boy used to throw rocks and sticks at my poor kitty when he was younger. My dad said he caught him in the act of almost throwing a big one at him one day. He's lucky I'm a passive type of person who can't hurt people, otherwise I'd go punch him inthe face for ever hurting my poor cat (may he rest in peace).

You can name me as the resident animal lover from now on....

 

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If i heard right with what I was listening to Minnesota law does not put children this age in prison, even if they had killed a person. They are too young.
One thing mentioned also, was these kids need some counceling. To find out their state of minds. if they actually knew what they were doing, the consequences, etc
And, some background on them. Media, video games, etc were mentioned, but also family, etc.....

I just don't get it.

 

I had a hard time even clicking this link must be getting soft in my old age,managed to read it and now I feel crap as I knew I would,I cant help but imagine the puppy running up the kids tale wagging wanted to play and then starting to be beaten to death,what must the poor things final thoughts have been,"why are these people doing this to me I thought people were friendly"

The poor thing made it back to its bed the only place he could comprehent being safe obviously it wasnt a quick knock the the head,dogs are pack animals they need to be around other dogs or people to feel happy to die alone like that must have been horrific

Sickening

 

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Beating children at any age to teach them that their beating an animal was wrong will not and does not work. It only serves to breed further aggression toward animals and,later on, humans. You cannot solve a wrong-doing with another wrong-doing.

The children involved clearly need more than just counseling. The organization I work for is involved in providing residential rehabilitation to youth who commit similar or worse crimes against humanity; behavior often learnt because they were treated in the same manner themselves by adults or older siblings (proving that you cannot solve a wrong-doing with another wrong-doing). These youth are referred to us through the local Juvenile Justice Courts. While the youth are not imprisoned as such, they are heavily monitored 24/7 and leaving the premises without permission simply gets them a free ride in a cop car back. Our success rate is extremely high in rehabilitating these children to become useful member of a community they take pride in.

There is hope.....it just takes enough people to invest time and money in a community to make it happen.

 

Seems the boys learned this type of behavior from someone else, probably from their own parents.

 

I hate to say it!
But I'd have to blame the parents.

 

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Not always...it can sometimes be a result of peer pressure or other family members that have influenced them i.e. uncles, cousins etc.

But agreed, parental education is important in today's society, and federal dollars are available to invest into parental education and healthy marriages....it just takes a community to stand up and say "we've had enough" and do something about it. While I agree it is a parent's responsibility to raise a child correctly, bad parenting skills are handed down generation over generation, each adding a new dimension to the "skills" learnt, until it becomes so crazy and unacceptable that society has to intervene.

 

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Working with special schools (behavioral) I remember the ASBOS coming in before I left the UK. Pretty much became a competition between the students of these schools to see who could get the ASBOS the fastess. It becames a goal...a target to reach...completely the opposite of what it was meant to do!!

 

Don't know about serial killers but a similar crime was committed here but instead of a puppy a two-year boy was killed: http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/14/newsid_2541000/2541171.stm

 

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The James Bulger case is infamous and very very tragic. Aren't the two youth concerned released now with different identities etc?

 

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That's the best suggestion I can think of for that age. DEFINITE warning flag for future behavior. While the parents are not always the cause, they definitely play a role in shaping the kids. I hope the parents are involved in the counseling as well as the kids.

 

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Regarding the original story, lots of information is coming out locally about this. Do not believe everything the press puts out there. Word is going around that nobody witnessed this incident and that possibly only one boy admitted doing anything. The other two claim to have no idea what may have happened. Until any of these kids are proven to have done it, one must assume they did not. The police seem to have rounded up a few kids and talked to them without parent presence and the kids were pretty freaked out about the police coming after them for something they claim to have nothing to do with.

If they did do it, they certainly must get some help, but the way the media are going after these kids they are going to need help even if they didn't do it. Cooler heads must prevail before it gets worse.

 

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Absolutely and always wherever possible G.T. One of the main reasons for our success with youth, is that the approach is an evidenced-based family-oriented appraoch, bringing all people concerned and responsible for the youth into the solution, and having them take ownership of what is agreed as the plan of action for the future.

 

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well that sounds straight out of 'social work 101' !! i dont know how to rationally respond to this thread. i am a people lover as well as an animal lover. my instincts are to say that this is a social disease, born of the increasing pressure for instant gratification and increasing lack of community responsibility. then i am reminded that there have always been people with the propensity for cruelty. we label this 'sociopathic' (psychopathic - UK), and always there is the background of parental/social neglect and cruelty to support the theory that these people are somehow 'made' like this, as opposed to simply born like it. we do this because 'no answer' is unacceptable. we have to have a reason for these anomalies. people talk rivers about the 'cycles of abuse' but no-one ever studies those of us who are NOT repeating our childhood nightmares. not only has abuse NOT made me egocentric and dissociative, but rather the opposite. i am empathetic to the point of an almost extra-sensory perception, and take it as my personal responsibility to alleviate suffering as and when i come across it. it is possible that my character was also formed from the ashes of vulnerability, but if that is the case it would suggest a strange sort of balance to this kind of thing. i dont know.

 

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One thing certain is that we don't have all the answers, and different people turn out differently despite both help and abuse. Star17 made the point a while back that he and his sister have turned out totally opposite despite the same environment and training growing up. You and I, and many others believe that God should play a role, others disagree with that, but in any case, all we can do is the best we can. The biggest tragedy would be to simply ignore the problem because of their ages and then try to clobber them when they reach 18 and are MUCH worse than today. Besides which, the basic core values are usually pretty firmly established prior to the teenage years, even though the worst behaviors usually come later. It's much tougher trying to reshape them when they are older.

 

I made my fair share of mistakes and screw ups as a kid but my underlying principle was dont get into trouble because it would scew up school, try well in school,get a good job and get paid lots of money,if I didnt do well now I'd be poor when I got older and it would be too late,'please dont ask via pm ect how my life has turned out,not as I would have expect put it that way'one of the things that made me come to this philosophy was being asked the question ALOT 'what do you want to be when you grow up' I think kids should be asked this question alot get them thinking about their future to the point it is a daily thought and how the consequences of wrongdoing can affect that future plan,along with understanding how others feel and ,via actual punishments and psychology

I always thought I had one chance to get it right and needed to work hard NOW or I'd be screwed when I was older,from about the age of nine,this was my own philosophy not my parents but my parents did scare the crap out of me which stopped me from doing anything really naughty,they were also very strict when it came to how far and how long I could wonder away from home,alot of parents these days just dont seem to care what kids are doing as long as they can watch TV

 

The worst thing I ever did to an animal as a kid was pull wings off flies.

I'd still like to do that now, but they're too quick to catch.


I actually used to catch them, and make a noose out of one of my hairs, and tie them (around their head) to my school shirt button.

 

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LOL. I pulled a few wings off as a kid too, but I never tied them to my shirt. I got over it. Somehow bugs just didn't seem the same as larger animals.

Catching them by hand isn't that hard. If you find one sitting, put your hands behind and above them, centered about 6 inches above/behind. Move your hands inward slowly and they don't see that as a threat for some reason. When your hands are about a foot apart, clap them together fast. A fly starts his flight by jumping up and back, and will usually end up pinned between your hands. They may fly anyway; they don't tend to sit for long, but it won't be because you scared them off. Handy for killing the ones buzzing around the house; I hope you're not still enjoying pulling the wings off of them Insomniac.

 

You're right. I saw a show that stated when flies take off, they always go up and backwards, so what you say is the best way to catch them.


Unfortunately, the flies here are the size of a B12, and if you squish them, you end up with a palm full of maggots.

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

 

hehe one of the great things about blighty insom,the bugs cant eat you the rain drowns them all ,I think the only thing venomous over here is is adder snake,ofcourse some googler will now prove me wrong

 

And another great thing is the hedgehog. They're so cute. One of my favourites, and they eat slugs which I hate.


You could always go to Ireland, they don't have any native snakes.

Theory says it's because snakes don't like swimming or the cold, but I don't believe that.

Snakes are great swimmers, and some live in cool climates.

 

we don't have anything here that kills you either. we have scorpions (but only little ones), centipedes - which can give you a quite nasty bite, and some very scary large cane spiders - which are apparently harmless. hawaii has one snake - its a very small grass snake which is blind and looks like a worm.

 

I don't know about that. Grass skirts and Hawaiian shirts kill me.


Plenty aloha.

 

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I always thought I wanted to visit Hawaii....but now I don't

Are they bigger than the brown and black British house spider, Laurie?

 

I think the most poisonous thing in Britain is Margaret Thatcher.


Numerous aloha.

 

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ROFL...love her or hate her, at least she did what she said she was going to, which is more than most politicians

 

Yeah, she was gutsy. I was pleasantly surprised when she was elected.

It says a lot about a country when they can put discrimination aside, and have a woman as their head of state.

Sadly, I can't see that happening in the US, or Australia for a very long time.

 

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Some of Hillary Clinton's moves look like she may be thinking of running, but I don't think she's electable. You're probably right about women presidents here for a while.

 

They couldn't be any worse than some of the men.

I would have no qualms voting for the right woman. They'd also bring a different perspective to the job.

New Zealand and Britain had one, don't see why it wouldn't work in other countries.

Here though, any woman that looks promising or capable, is quickly brought down by the boys only club.


Don't know much about Hilary, but from what I've seen she doesn't look very impressive.

She can't even get the stains out of Bill's clothes let alone run a country.


Condeleeeeeza would do a better job, but somehow I don't see a black woman getting voted in. She's very intelligent and capable.

 

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much. easy about 6 inches across.

 

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but people dont actually wear grass skirts. unfortunately the same cant be said for hawaiian shirts. lol

i think maggie's scary too.

 

I'm still in the mindset that the presidential candidates are decided and paid for buy big business and the higher 'click' of American society,they are the only ones who can afford the campaign trail,they're only gonna pay for your campaign trail is if they have some kind of assurance your gonna play ball for them,I think I'v only ever seen Bush do one unscripted press conference which was landed without warning therefore no one had any questions,Surely the leader of your country should be able to answer a few obvious questions without putting his foot in his mouth ,

I have to say Blair does a pretty good job but he's a weasley little lawyer/politition smart ass he could talk his way out of a ........ ......... ......... .......... ......... ......... ......... ......... feel free to fill in the blank cant think of any funny ones

I'd like to see some of the day to day operations the president has to deal with and the decisions he has to make,I'm sure he deserves more credit than I give him as 'the front man' ,a few less holidays on the golf course wouldnt go a miss either,seems strange that he can have so many holidays when the soldiers he sent to Iraq cant,oh well...

oh yeh Poor puppy

 

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It's Friday!!! I had to take this and fly..............

.....writer's block........unlike Rikky